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Poll

Should NASA prepare for potential asteroid threat before the moon?

Go to the Moon first32%32% - 11
Set asteroid as top priority50%50% - 17
Advance Orion asteroid mission5%5% - 2
Allow Earth to be hit by NEO11%11% - 4
Total: 34
2009-04-29 21:30:58
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

It's kinda funny fckedup that survival really relies on money when you think about it. We have the physical resources, the man power, and the potential technology already in place.
It's not a resource in this sense, it's a measure of value. How much we are willing to spend = how much we value it.

It's kinda dumb to pit one against the other. Obviously it's not as easy, but it only makes sense to rank everything that we want the U.S. Gov to spend money on, and spend money proceeding down the list until we run out. It doesn't make sense for NASA to be making the decision.
I mean this with all sincerity.. no shit. I was just saying that it would be kind of screwed up that the only species in the history of this planet that knows of the inevitability of planetary doom did nothing because their values were in other places.

Did someone say that NASA should? Did you answer the OP?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-04-29 21:36:01
xBlackPantherx
Grow up, or die
+142|6645|California
NASA already has the sources, ability, and readiness to go to the moon and start setting up a base right now (they plan to make several trips leaving "pods" etc behind every time. But, you do realize that if an asteroid like this hits, everything on earth is dead right? And, as of right now, theres only one possibility to deflect only one type of asteroid; that being a solid asteroid (which I don't think this one is, more like loosely compacted rubble) and deflected by a massive explosion (of which a 'loose' asteroid would just absorb).

If you don't think it's likely, we're actually quite overdue for a hit like this. The two of the biggest ones we've had have been the dinosaur one and the moon (yes the moon). If you don't think it's likely to be hit by something like this, it happens all the time. Hell, in all of our life times we've already witnessed it with one planet in our system (Jupiter) and if you just look at the moon, which is always the side that's always facing inward towards Earth. See all those dark spots? All are impacts. And that's just the inward side. Imagine the back side that we can't see.

It's likely enough to invest in something we don't have a solution to thats coming relatively soon instead of spending money on something we can already do (and to be honest do at the same time as researching the asteroid).
2009-04-29 21:41:02
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

1) The Orion asteroid mission is to study asteroids in general. Not just Apophis.
2) Apophis will not kill everything on the planet if it hits (based on what we know right now). Of course there is a lot we don't know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apop … ct_effects
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-04-29 21:43:27
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

It's kinda funny fckedup that survival really relies on money when you think about it. We have the physical resources, the man power, and the potential technology already in place.
It's not a resource in this sense, it's a measure of value. How much we are willing to spend = how much we value it.

It's kinda dumb to pit one against the other. Obviously it's not as easy, but it only makes sense to rank everything that we want the U.S. Gov to spend money on, and spend money proceeding down the list until we run out. It doesn't make sense for NASA to be making the decision.
I mean this with all sincerity.. no shit. I was just saying that it would be kind of screwed up that the only species in the history of this planet that knows of the inevitability of planetary doom did nothing because their values were in other places.


Only species on the history of the planet that can understand concepts like inevitability and values as well. It is perfectly valid to place more importance on issues other than planetary doom.

Kmarion wrote:

Did someone say that NASA should? Did you answer the OP?

poll wrote:

Should NASA prepare for potential asteroid threat before the moon?
This implies we are passing judgment on a future decision to be made by NASA.
2009-04-29 21:51:24
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

It's not a resource in this sense, it's a measure of value. How much we are willing to spend = how much we value it.

It's kinda dumb to pit one against the other. Obviously it's not as easy, but it only makes sense to rank everything that we want the U.S. Gov to spend money on, and spend money proceeding down the list until we run out. It doesn't make sense for NASA to be making the decision.
I mean this with all sincerity.. no shit. I was just saying that it would be kind of screwed up that the only species in the history of this planet that knows of the inevitability of planetary doom did nothing because their values were in other places.


Only species on the history of the planet that can understand concepts like inevitability and values as well. It is perfectly valid to place more importance on issues other than planetary doom.

Kmarion wrote:

Did someone say that NASA should? Did you answer the OP?

poll wrote:

Should NASA prepare for potential asteroid threat before the moon?
This implies we are passing judgment on a future decision to be made by NASA.
I thought the question was pretty simple. Of the two and if you were in the position to decide. I was asking the forum ffs .

Of the total federal budget NASA should not dictate what they get. .. Which is less than 1%. Some of which they make back in patents and servicing missions.

NASA should of course be advising the decision makers... you know the scientist?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-04-29 22:08:16
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85
If I was in a position to decide I would pick both lol. If I was in a position to decide I would apparently have the political finesse to make that happen.

NASA gets less than 1%, we get it. Of course this means that they received less than $29,310,000,000, that's less than 29 billion USD.

The question is whether the "needs" (read: wants) of the nation stand up to the needs of the nation. The decision cannot be taken out of context.
2009-04-29 22:14:41
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

If I was in a position to decide I would pick both lol. If I was in a position to decide I would apparently have the political finesse to make that happen.

NASA gets less than 1%, we get it. Of course this means that they received less than $29,310,000,000, that's less than 29 billion USD.

The question is whether the "needs" (read: wants) of the nation stand up to the needs of the nation. The decision cannot be taken out of context.
Thanks for getting.. I had confidence in you. .. kinda. As a fan of context I'm sure you could have placed that $29,310,000,000 into it (>1%).

Yes Flamer, that is the question. Potential self preservation is apparently an optional need/want.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-04-29 22:21:14
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85
Okay with the constant I thought you were either off your rocker or something was up haha.

Self preservation is relative...as far as the immediate the asteroid is the least of anyone's problems, and as for the broad maybe it's not such a bad thing.

"Worst" case scenario: Everyone dies, no one is left to care.

"Best" case scenario: Irrelevant, money wasted elsewhere.

Best case scenario: From a species-wide perspective we build character as Calvin's dad would say. That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
2009-04-29 22:26:13
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Okay with the constant I thought you were either off your rocker or something was up haha.

Self preservation is relative...as far as the immediate the asteroid is the least of anyone's problems, and as for the broad maybe it's not such a bad thing.

"Worst" case scenario: Everyone dies, no one is left to care.

"Best" case scenario: Irrelevant, money wasted elsewhere.

Best case scenario: From a species-wide perspective we build character as Calvin's dad would say. That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
By stronger you must mean Escape from NY/Mad Max thunderdome style ..
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-04-29 22:28:09
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7009|67.222.138.85
Oh come on, if Mario has taught me anything it's that losing just one life makes the next life better, which is good so long as I don't proceed to lose all three...
2009-04-29 22:29:29
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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Attack or turtle...attack or turtle...
2009-04-29 22:38:32
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Okay with the constant I thought you were either off your rocker or something was up haha.

Self preservation is relative...as far as the immediate the asteroid is the least of anyone's problems, and as for the broad maybe it's not such a bad thing.

"Worst" case scenario: Everyone dies, no one is left to care.

"Best" case scenario: Irrelevant, money wasted elsewhere.

Best case scenario: From a species-wide perspective we build character as Calvin's dad would say. That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
By stronger you must mean Escape from NY/Mad Max thunderdome style ..
Thunderdome sucks dogs balls.

Get the original or get the fuck out.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-04-29 22:43:34
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Flecco wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Okay with the constant I thought you were either off your rocker or something was up haha.

Self preservation is relative...as far as the immediate the asteroid is the least of anyone's problems, and as for the broad maybe it's not such a bad thing.

"Worst" case scenario: Everyone dies, no one is left to care.

"Best" case scenario: Irrelevant, money wasted elsewhere.

Best case scenario: From a species-wide perspective we build character as Calvin's dad would say. That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
By stronger you must mean Escape from NY/Mad Max thunderdome style ..
Thunderdome sucks dogs balls.

Get the original or get the fuck out.

no u
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-04-29 23:04:35
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


By stronger you must mean Escape from NY/Mad Max thunderdome style ..
Thunderdome sucks dogs balls.

Get the original or get the fuck out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQC3nkftrk
no u


Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-04-29 23:08:08
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Flecco wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Thunderdome sucks dogs balls.

Get the original or get the fuck out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQC3nkftrk
no u


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2x8RhadlpA
Gettin all serious bout this eh.. I picked the first thing that came to me mind.

Start an ultimate scifi thread and I'll be happy to take you to school.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-04-29 23:17:40
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hQC3nkftrk
no u


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2x8RhadlpA
Gettin all serious bout this eh.. I picked the first thing that came to me mind.

Start an ultimate scifi thread and I'll be happy to take you to school.
No, you said Thunderdome, I just pointed out your error. Original Mad Max is the best of the series by far.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-04-29 23:24:53
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6903|132 and Bush

Flecco wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2x8RhadlpA
Gettin all serious bout this eh.. I picked the first thing that came to me mind.

Start an ultimate scifi thread and I'll be happy to take you to school.
No, you said Thunderdome, I just pointed out your error. Original Mad Max is the best of the series by far.
Error how? ..lol. You interjected with your most favorite of leik all time. My point was simply chaos. You decided to make it into an awards ceremony.

Don't forget who you are talkin to https://i40.tinypic.com/2m4efkl.gif.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
I would have karmed you if I could by now
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-04-29 23:28:59
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Gettin all serious bout this eh.. I picked the first thing that came to me mind.

Start an ultimate scifi thread and I'll be happy to take you to school.
No, you said Thunderdome, I just pointed out your error. Original Mad Max is the best of the series by far.
Error how? ..lol. You interjected with your most favorite of leik all time. My point was simply chaos. You decided to make it into an awards ceremony.

Don't forget who you are talkin to http://i40.tinypic.com/2m4efkl.gif.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
I would have karmed you if I could by now
Spoiler (highlight to read):
I would have karmed you if I could by now

It seems we are at an impasse. I gotta go though.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

 

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