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2009-04-03 05:07:05

#151

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6614|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:
^billions of years of evolution? you say some silly things at times, dilbert. lol

Evolution didn't just start on Earth, remember getting to that point of the first living microbe from non-living matter could still be considered part of Evolution, you know that when the big bang happened it's not like all the Elements of the Universe just suddenly came about, I think it was something along the lines of mainly just Hydrogen and Helium.
The rest of the elements came into play only after the first stars started to be created, as the elements were created within the stars due to all the reactions within the stars, and the supernovae etc.. released them into space. Or something along the lines of that, I don't know the intricate details, but basically, most of the Elements in the Universe were created after the Big Bang mainly in/around Stars, when you look at the Elemental composition of life (on Earth, at least) you'll see it mainly consists of Carbon, Oxygen, Nitrogen, Hydrogen etc.. so .....we're pretty much children of the stars. As these elements can only have existed due to stars creating them in the first place, way back in time.

Personally I don't see why people can't just accept something like the Sun as God. Without the Sun the Earth wouldn't even exist at all, let alone life on Earth. You know how that bit works no need to explain the role of the Sun in the life cycle/food chain.

I mean, when you look at it, the Sun pretty much ticks all of the boxes when it comes to a "God"

And it's right there too, I can see it right now *shakes fist at sun* Nah j/k, we cool......we cool....

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Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-04-03 05:08:27)

2009-04-03 05:31:22

#152

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6699|67.222.138.85

Deadmonkiefart wrote:
wah1188 wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The comfort that any illusion of meaning to be gleaned from existence is defined by no one but yourself. Standards are your own to set, to live and die by. So long as you do not cheat yourself, you cannot be wrong.
Beautiful and insightful post.
And troubling at the same time. When everyone becomes atheist and starts believing that there is no higher being than themselves, they tend to become selfish, immoral, even criminal. Why should I not lie, cheat, steal, or even kill when it serves my interests if I am my own God?

You should, so long as it actually serves your interests.

Deadmonkiefart wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
existence is defined by no one but yourself. Standards are your own to set, to live and die by. So long as you do not cheat yourself, you cannot be wrong.
Why should I worry about society if I am my own God?

You should only worry about it so far as it is useful to yourself. If we were an omnipotent God, we wouldn't have to. As things are however, it's necessary to maintain some level of social acceptability to avoid being ostracized and/or to be effective.

FEOS wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The comfort that any illusion of meaning to be gleaned from existence is defined by no one but yourself. Standards are your own to set, to live and die by. So long as you do not cheat yourself, you cannot be wrong.
And this doesn't bother anyone? Particularly the last sentence?

Sounds a bit sociopathic, tbh.

You should be worried that I got more karma off that pithy little thing than I have gotten off a single post in a looooooong time lol. Regardless of the many implications it carries.

_{No one is going to comment on the illusion part?}

2009-04-03 05:35:31

#153

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6658|NT, like Mick Dundee

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Deadmonkiefart wrote:
wah1188 wrote:

Beautiful and insightful post.
And troubling at the same time. When everyone becomes atheist and starts believing that there is no higher being than themselves, they tend to become selfish, immoral, even criminal. Why should I not lie, cheat, steal, or even kill when it serves my interests if I am my own God?
You should, so long as it actually serves your interests.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who saw that as implicit in FM's original message?

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-04-03 05:37:09

#154

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6699|67.222.138.85

The those who didn't certainly aren't alone lol.

2009-04-03 05:47:11

#155

Locoloki: I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!; +216|6633|Your moms bedroom

Religion is around for this very reason and to provide morals for people who need boundaries. People generally dont like to feel alone.

Just knowing you are above this and you can fill this hole with love for yourself, and your family. Take pride in your name and the generous things you have done, that is all you can do. Knowing you cant "repent on your sins" (cop-off) will make you a better person anyways.

2009-04-03 05:49:22

#156

DesertFox-: The very model of a modern major general; +794|6677|United States of America

Flecco wrote:
DesertFox- wrote:
In this day and age, it doesn't matter if you believe in God or not. You can still be a good Christian/other religious denomination regardless of if you propose the idea of the deity or don't---it's just not an important part, but the lessons of Jesus and such are.

Think about it, how many "religious" arguments are just stupid-ass "God v. no god" things?
I thought you were a Christian.

To be Christian you have to believe in God and Jesus' resurrection and divinity. If you don't, then you are not Christian but rather a man who takes moral teachings from a book over 1500 years old with parts much older and goes to congregations to discuss said book.

@ Narupug, the idea behind Communism and to a certain extent its cousin Socialism is that the needs of the individual be sacrificed for the needs of the many.

This is also true of religion to some extent. You give up your time and money voluntarily to improve things for (a small section of) the many in the form of charity work and such.

_{Popular topic, this'n}

I never said I don't believe in a god or all the magical aspects of Catholicism; I'm just saying that it doesn't matter in the end. There's no way you can prove it either way, so there's no use arguing over it. I don't really go to mass that much anymore, either.

What I take away from church and other "religious education" things is that the most important thing is to live your life according not to the exact text of the Bible (cause then you'll get all the radical Leviticus things), but according to the main themes of the Bible. I'm not taking my morals from it either. I certainly don't agree with the Church on everything (come to think of it, not very much at all) because I've made up my own mind about morality by reasoning it out.

2009-04-03 06:09:27

#157

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6145|what

Mekstizzle wrote:
Personally I don't see why people can't just accept something like the Sun as God. Without the Sun the Earth wouldn't even exist at all, let alone life on Earth. You know how that bit works no need to explain the role of the Sun in the life cycle/food chain.

You mean, like the Egyptians worshipped Ra?

And the Earth and universe might be billions of years old, but life on Earth hasn't been evolving for billions. There was a primeval soup that contained basic DNA/RNA single celled microbes, but they didn't explode in number and start evolving until about one billion years ago.

2009-04-03 07:05:50

#158

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6658|NT, like Mick Dundee

AussieReaper wrote:
Mekstizzle wrote:
Personally I don't see why people can't just accept something like the Sun as God. Without the Sun the Earth wouldn't even exist at all, let alone life on Earth. You know how that bit works no need to explain the role of the Sun in the life cycle/food chain.
You mean, like the Egyptians worshipped Ra?

Screw Egyptian Sun religions. That whole trip about Horus, Ra and the incest just ruined it for me.

Also the story of Ra creating two demigod type things by performing auto-fellatio then spitting his sperm onto the ground... Weeeeeeeelll...

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-04-03 07:34:24

#159

mikkel: Member; +383|6594

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above

A "god shaped" hole, you say? You're fucked now.

2009-04-03 07:45:21

#160

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6283|Éire

ATG wrote:
Do you have one?

That empty space in your heart that nothing can fill.

What comfort does the atheist offer?
What knowledge we agnostics can purvey?

These questions trouble me.

It's a common question directed at those without faith... what is it that makes you feel solace in this life?

For me it is simply the fact that I was lucky enough to have a chance to experience this incredible universe. When you look at the earth as it sits in the black expanse of space surrounded by innumerable planets it is simply beautiful, visibly bursting with life in an otherwise inert solar system... and we were lucky enough to exist on this planet. Although mankind is capable of horrible things due to our inherent animalistic nature we are also capable of incredible achievements due to our intelligence and ability to collaborate within a civilisation.

That is something that saddens me more these days - having started my PHD in technology development I am starting to get a sense of how incredibly fast our technology is coming along and I feel a little sorry that I will never get to see some of the incredible things we will no doubt develop far off in the future. For now all I can hope for is the possibility of contributing something small but meaningful to this unrelenting human progress.

This life is amazing enough on its own without dreaming up creation myths. In the words of Killer Kane...

"In order for life to have appeared spontaneously on earth, there first had to be hundreds of millions of protein molecules of the ninth configuration. But given the size of the planet Earth, do you know how long it would have taken for just one of these protein molecules to appear entirely by chance? Roughly ten to the two hundred and forty-third power billions of years. And I find that far, far more fantastic than simply believing in God."

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2009-04-03 09:15:06

#161

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|6759|UK

Mitch wrote:
usmarine wrote:
this game is stupid.

if god doesnt stop someone from putting a baby in the microwave.....or explain why he/she/it let it happen. then you are a fucking idiot for worshiping said thing.

and that god has a plan BS is not applicable. if he wanted the baby dead, he doesnt need a microwave for a painful death right?

fuck i hate religion.
Truth.
All logic points towards no supreme being.

I could unload but really, i dont think its appropriate

Only if you assume to know the logic of the supreme being. The exact reason that being atheist is retarded as is believing in any of the religions.

EVERYONE is agnostic, it's just whether they choose to accept that or not. No one can say "God exists" or "God doesn't exist" you quite simply don't know. You can claim to, you can even put forward several arguments, but all of those arguments assume you know how the supreme being acts or would act if he exists.

2009-04-03 09:19:31

#162

jsnipy: ...; +3,276|6515|...

Funny how you can make a total concrete summation of life and the universe by your early twenties. Kinda like hearing university students sound like they know it all about politics.

Vilham wrote:
EVERYONE is agnostic, it's just whether they choose to accept that or not. No one can say "God exists" or "God doesn't exist" you quite simply don't know. You can claim to, you can even put forward several arguments, but all of those arguments assume you know how the supreme being acts or would act if he exists.

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2009-04-03 09:24:01

#163

destruktion_6143: Was ist Loos?; +154|6619|Canada

usmarine wrote:
ATG wrote:
That empty space in your heart that nothing can fill.
ya i help animals..and people also and i dont need a book or building to tell me its right or wrong...or to do it.

THIS TBH. i find many religious people do not live life to the fullest bc they believe that something better lies beyond.

i, along USM, and other atheist, live life to the fullest bc we know this is our one shot, and why waste our lives living in fear of angering a "god" (FSM) or live a delusional life thinking eternal bliss is around the corner. I do my best to be a good person, not bc of a book, building, or ppl telling me to, i do it bc i know it is the right thing to do.

"god" was thought up as an excuse to things ppl couldnt explain at the time. ("god" made it rain, thunder, lightning, wind, ect) and the bible, koran, etc were written by guys most likely drunk off wine and high on opium.

best quote sums up my thoughts: Christianity: One woman's lie about having an affair that got seriously out of hand.

2009-04-03 09:32:02

#164

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6463

God shaped hole? ATG, you're doing the atheism thing alllllll fucking wrongly.

My 'hole' is filled with the consolation that I'm not an irrational fucking moron perpetuating human understanding from the 18th century.

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2009-04-03 09:37:39

#165

Mitch: 16 more years; +877|6518|South Florida

Chew on this for a minute.

If god was fair, he would understand that he is pretty unbelievable.

God would understand that rational humans wouldn't believe in him.

Last edited by Mitch (2009-04-03 09:38:11)

15 more years! 15 more years!

2009-04-03 09:42:23

#166

destruktion_6143: Was ist Loos?; +154|6619|Canada

Mitch wrote:
Chew on this for a minute.

If god was fair, he would understand that he is pretty unbelievable.

God would understand that rational humans wouldn't believe in him.

oh snap! so true

2009-04-03 10:00:32

#167

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|6759|UK

Mitch wrote:
Chew on this for a minute.

If god was fair, he would understand that he is pretty unbelievable.

God would understand that rational humans wouldn't believe in him.

O snap, it relies on you knowing that god is fair. Again, making assumptions about the SUPREME being

2009-04-03 10:03:32

#168

topal63: . . .; +533|6711

Vilham wrote:
Mitch wrote:
Chew on this for a minute.

If god was fair, he would understand that he is pretty unbelievable.

God would understand that rational humans wouldn't believe in him.
O snap, it relies on you knowing that god is fair. Again, making assumptions about the SUPREME being

O snap... without the first assumption God, there are no further assumptions necessary.

2009-04-03 10:05:48

#169

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|6759|UK

topal63 wrote:
Vilham wrote:
Mitch wrote:
Chew on this for a minute.

If god was fair, he would understand that he is pretty unbelievable.

God would understand that rational humans wouldn't believe in him.
O snap, it relies on you knowing that god is fair. Again, making assumptions about the SUPREME being
O snap... without the first assumption God, there are no further assumptions necessary.

Indeed, that's why I don't make that assumption. There could be a good or they could not. I win arguement. Everyone is agnostic. It's arrogant to assume you know if there is a god or if there is. You DON'T KNOW.

2009-04-03 10:19:32

#170

topal63: . . .; +533|6711

O' lord, forgive the agnostic for they know not what they not know.

Agnosticism is for those that don't understand philosophy or the meaning of words.

Reminds me of this didactic piece of prose:
"There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don’t know."

2009-04-03 10:27:48

#171

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|6759|UK

topal63 wrote:
O' lord, forgive the agnostic for they know not what they not know.

Agnosticism is for those that don't understand philosophy or the meaning of words.

Reminds me of this didactic piece of prose:
"There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don’t know."

So you KNOW for certain, you prove with scientific fact that god doesn't exist? I think not.

If you simply believe that there is no god then your being as illogical as those that believe in god.

Last edited by Vilham (2009-04-03 10:33:21)

2009-04-03 10:34:49

#172

topal63: . . .; +533|6711

You're not even asking the proper questions.

I will state this simply for you and can only hope you understand. The principle question is: can one even define a meaningful conception of being that is transcending the mind? Do you understand this question?

2009-04-03 10:36:12

#173

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6493|so randum

topal63 wrote:
You're not even asking the proper questions.

I will state this simply for you and can only hope you understand. The principle question is: can one even define a meaningful conception of being that is transcending the mind? Do you understand this question?

No they can't.

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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2009-04-03 10:40:04

#174

h4hagen: Whats my age again?; +91|6345|Troy, New York

Vilham wrote:
topal63 wrote:
O' lord, forgive the agnostic for they know not what they not know.

Agnosticism is for those that don't understand philosophy or the meaning of words.

Reminds me of this didactic piece of prose:
"There are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don’t know."
So you KNOW for certain, you prove with scientific fact that god doesn't exist? I think not.

If you simply believe that there is no god then your being as illogical as those that believe in god.

This. Atheism is just as much a way of trying to understand what we cant comprehend as religion is. Those who would believe that they are being logical by being atheistic are deceiving themselves.

2009-04-03 10:52:55

#175

topal63: . . .; +533|6711

O' really how tired an utterly ignorant of you to say so.

I also find it fascinating that you've been able to discern my: age, knowledge-base, understanding, every reason and reasoning ability, books I've read, etc.. all from a mere few sentences.

Define what is transcending your mind please. Also, agnosticism is an insoluble philosophical point related to formal logic. It has its' basic applicability in formal axiomatic systems and legal uses. It is not a case of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence," that applies to definable knowable reality. And, not undefinable transcendent realities, assumed transcendent realities, psychological experiences, pure fabrications of mind, or the natural assumption of entity ascribed to external phenomenon in nature.

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