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2009-03-22 13:24:50
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
https://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/media/ALeqM5gJMBzKFjJVK0l2d9FjtlMjtA2g9A?size=s2

Anti-terror strategy to be unveiled.

The publicity seems to continue to paint AQ as the biggest security threat,

but I wonder; it seems to me that all new Big Brother attitudes and devices are tested in the U.K.
No coincident that The Bank of England and Rothchilde family are part of the Federal Reserve?

Britain is 'surveillance society'
CCTV cameras
There are up to 4.2m CCTV cameras in Britain
Fears that the UK would "sleep-walk into a surveillance society" have become a reality, the government's information commissioner has said.

Richard Thomas, who said he raised concerns two years ago, spoke after research found people's actions were increasingly being monitored.

Researchers highlight "dataveillance", the use of credit card, mobile phone and loyalty card information, and CCTV.

Monitoring of work rates, travel and telecommunications is also rising.



   

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There are up to 4.2m CCTV cameras in Britain - about one for every 14 people.
Do ye blue bloods feel threatened? Are ye grateful for the protective hand of the government, even if it means when you are not at home you are probably on security camera??
2009-03-22 13:33:45
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6974|UK
yeah they're fucking everywhere, i don't know what to make of it really...
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2009-03-22 14:10:47
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6822|Πάϊ
I wonder what it will take for the herd to decide that enough is enough and get rid of them all...
ƒ³
2009-03-22 14:10:55
zeidmaan
Member
+234|6717|Vienna

Vienna is also packed with cameras and I dont have a problem with it. I trust that the government and the police will only use it for good.

Most covered is the subway and in 5 years I have never seen a fight or robbery anywhere in the subway system. I listen to radio regularly and I'm fond of news papers and I also cant remember (from the top of my head) ever hearing about a newsworthy incident in the subway. I guess all the cameras everywhere are a good deterrent.

But than again, Austria isnt as fucked up as UK or USA as far as crime is concerned.

Also people are becoming more reluctant to help the police and get involved. Its too much off a hassle and time wasting in the modern high-paced lifestyle. Thats why we need as much cameras as possible.
2009-03-22 14:38:40
JahManRed
wank
+646|6930|IRELAND

The Bank of England is the meeting point for 5-6 different rallies when the G20 come to town. Place is going to get wreaked.
2009-03-22 14:57:29
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6868|England

Threatened? By what? So I'm on camera, big deal. I don't do anything wrong. I don't commit crimes. So why should I care? Answer: I don't care.

Crime will always be a part of all countries, we will never eradicate it completely: hence minimising it is the only real solution. If CCTV's are part of that solution, then so be it. They can watch me drive my car or walk along the street as much as they want to.
2009-03-22 15:05:50
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Snake wrote:

Threatened? By what? So I'm on camera, big deal. I don't do anything wrong. I don't commit crimes. So why should I care? Answer: I don't care.
i say the same for wire taps also but dont tell the bf2s freedom police that....
2009-03-22 15:07:46
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6771
Well you don't have any rights to privacy in public places anyway.

So long as they don't try this in private areas, it's not a bad thing.
2009-03-22 15:16:59
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

usmarine wrote:

Snake wrote:

Threatened? By what? So I'm on camera, big deal. I don't do anything wrong. I don't commit crimes. So why should I care? Answer: I don't care.
i say the same for wire taps also but dont tell the bf2s freedom police that....
For an American, you're awfully supportive of authoritarianism.

All this surveillance stuff is the negative side of collectivism.  Europe might be good at maintaining its public amenities and having a more coherent set of cultural values, but they really do tend to trust government too much.
2009-03-22 15:19:56
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Turquoise wrote:

For an American, you're awfully supportive of authoritarianism.
interesting.  or..... i am sick of people not following the law and I am willing to give up MY privacy to make their lives of easy money and laziness harder.  sorry more people dont feel that way.
2009-03-22 15:21:18
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

For an American, you're awfully supportive of authoritarianism.
interesting.  or..... i am sick of people not following the law and I am willing to give up MY privacy to make their lives of easy money and laziness harder.  sorry more people dont feel that way.
Well, admittedly, the Docta was correct that privacy is mostly dead anyway.

Still, I think you put way too much faith in the government, but I suppose that's to be expected.
2009-03-22 15:22:33
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6952

Jacqui Smith is an evil bitch.
2009-03-22 15:24:51
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|6952

zeidmaan wrote:

Vienna is also packed with cameras and I dont have a problem with it. I trust that the government and the police will only use it for good.
Pschhh trust.

Went it suits government it flies right out the window => http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7907991.stm
2009-03-22 15:25:02
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Turquoise wrote:

I think you put way too much faith in the government, but I suppose that's to be expected.
que?
2009-03-22 15:27:02
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I think you put way too much faith in the government, but I suppose that's to be expected.
que?
We've had this discussion before.

I understand that, in order to be a soldier, you have to put a certain amount of faith in governmental authority.  I only put it in certain things -- surveillance of the general public not being one of them.
2009-03-22 15:32:13
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I think you put way too much faith in the government, but I suppose that's to be expected.
que?
We've had this discussion before.

I understand that, in order to be a soldier, you have to put a certain amount of faith in governmental authority.  I only put it in certain things -- surveillance of the general public not being one of them.
lol....then you didnt listen.  faith in the govt...lewl.  god damn you are odd.
2009-03-22 15:34:11
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine wrote:


que?
We've had this discussion before.

I understand that, in order to be a soldier, you have to put a certain amount of faith in governmental authority.  I only put it in certain things -- surveillance of the general public not being one of them.
lol....then you didnt listen.  faith in the govt...lewl.  god damn you are odd.
What I find odd is that you would support the government wasting a bunch of money and effort on setting up a surveillance police state.
2009-03-22 15:35:57
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Turquoise wrote:

What I find odd is that you would support the government wasting a bunch of money and effort on setting up a surveillance police state.
versus what exactly?
2009-03-22 15:37:54
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

What I find odd is that you would support the government wasting a bunch of money and effort on setting up a surveillance police state.
versus what exactly?
Well, I suppose I have another question to ask you first.

It seems that a lot of people join the military because they believe strongly in protecting the freedoms of their country.  I'm assuming you must feel somewhat this way.  So I find it odd that you would support the development of a system that immediately infringes upon those same freedoms you probably hold sacred, right?
2009-03-22 15:38:58
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

i told you why.
2009-03-22 15:39:24
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

usmarine wrote:

i told you why.
You really think all this surveillance is going to make us safer?
2009-03-22 15:40:00
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine wrote:

i told you why.
You really think all this surveillance is going to make us safer?
i didnt say that did i.  stop drawing your own conclusions and read what i said.
2009-03-22 15:43:17
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

usmarine wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

For an American, you're awfully supportive of authoritarianism.
interesting.  or..... i am sick of people not following the law and I am willing to give up MY privacy to make their lives of easy money and laziness harder.  sorry more people dont feel that way.
So let me get this straight.

You're willing to waste all this time and money on surveillance to supposedly make it harder for people to be lazy and so that people making "easy money" get busted.

I suppose that depends on what you mean by easy money.  If you're referring to corporate crime, it's not going to do shit.
2009-03-22 15:44:05
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6923|London, England
It's not about the cameras themselves, it's the people behind it. So far, and right now they're just cops that are pretty useless at doing anything except "i see some drunken yobs there, dispatch unit". But yeah, it leaves a good infrastructure there for someone in the future to abuse.

So right now, yeah you can say "big deal, they only look out for people being dickheads" - but that's not the point most people are trying to make, like I said, it's good infrastructure for future people to abuse.

Then again, I'd say there's a pretty low chance of any true authoritarian V for Vendetta shit coming to reality. But you never know
2009-03-22 15:44:13
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7064

i am talking aboot street level stuff.  you know, car stealing, robbery, etc.

 

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