BF2S Forums Scout Update

Faster stabs and ability to chance the gun you appear to hold. How is this not a buff.

Fat_Swinub wrote:

Faster stabs and ability to chance the gun you appear to hold. How is this not a buff.

DefCon-17 wrote:

Flick/leap/drop stabs are hard as fuck now.

It's a buff for newbie Spies.

It's a nerf for the more advanced ones.

Last edited by DefCon-17 (2009-02-25 14:53:13)

Finray wrote:

K I tried to change weapon.. but it seems you can only get two weapons..

For example Pyro disguise can only get Flamethrower and Axe.. Sniper disguise, Rifle and Kukri..

Is it just me?

It's just you. I can get all 3 with every class.

Are you doing it right?

Spidery_Yoda wrote:

Finray wrote:

K I tried to change weapon.. but it seems you can only get two weapons..

For example Pyro disguise can only get Flamethrower and Axe.. Sniper disguise, Rifle and Kukri..

Is it just me?

It's just you. I can get all 3 with every class.

Are you doing it right?

How are you doing it o.O

I don't get how to change the weapon

Bevo wrote:

Finray wrote:

Spidery_Yoda wrote:

It's just you. I can get all 3 with every class.

Are you doing it right?

How are you doing it o.O

Hold knife/sapper/revolver and press b.

awsm, ty.

I was going back into the disguise and selecting the disguise I selected.. that seemed to change the weapon somehow.

http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2293

This time it seems a number of you used an external application to unlock all of your achievements in order to get items unfairly. Coming as a surprise to no one with the ability to retain memories of the recent past, I have taken these items from the perpetrators for one week.

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2009-02-25 16:29:44)

Uzique, no one likes you, just go away.

Uzique wrote:

Wtf, what the hell has that got to do with anything? Go drink bleach you noobish little cunt. This update has been hated by 1/2 of the TF2 community and now Valve puts on their arrogant super-overlord face to start 'punishing' the dissenters? Yeah, because waiting 6 months for half a class-update that brings as many problems as it does fixes... really deserves applause, that.

Fuck Valve and their silly punishments, they're clearly not as superior as they think because my very simple app has gone undetected.

Yeah Uzique, fuck Valve, they suck. They have gone above and beyond what the support a developer needs to give it's games, they release meaningful updates with loads of new contend on a game that's over a year old. They are constantly reworking the balance to make the game less fun. They are always removing bugs and making the game less annoying to play.

Fuck Valve.

Uzique wrote:

Above and beyond? They're a games company, not a charity organization. Lose the naivety and look at the actual hard reasons behind why they continue updating their games. Every time they launch an update pack they use it as a marketing opportunity off the back of the event and launch a game sale, plugging away their diluted-casual-patched game to even more little naabs. Valve don't deserve applause for extending the life-cycle of one of their products, that's business #101, everyone does it. As for the fact they release it for free-- well I'm not complaining about the price. My gripe is with their attitude; they think they have a right to ban/punish the huge number of players that object to their 'one update every 6 months' scheme. Some people don't care about the weapon unlocks. Some people don't care about the meaningless grinding-yawnfest of achievements. They shouldn't be punished just because they don't want to partake in the "8 Scouts per server woo, for 3 months, woo!" festival.

You cheated, so you get shat on. That's the way it is. And plus the achievables are there to have fun with anyway, the fact that you used the hack to get them proves you don't care about having fun in the game.

Also, it's not like you're going to use the unlocks anyway, because you're a competitive faggot and they aren't allowed in those stupid leagues, so why throw a pissy fit when Valve takes them away? It's not like you did anything yo get them. "Diluted-casual-patched game"? No one is forcing you to not have fun in TF2 Uzique, you just don't have fun because first you're an asshole, second everything in the game has to be exactly as you want it, and finally (and most importantly) is because you're playing the game to stroke you're pwn out-of-control ego by telling yourself that your skill in a video game some how makes you superior over everyone else.

And while Valve's reasons for releasing updates is purely capitalistic, but what they are doing is making the player-base happier.  And most other companies charge money for new content like this, unlike Valve who do it because it makes the player-base happier.

tl;dr: Fuck you and Fuck yo' couch.

On a semi-related note.

I do feel that the achievement -> unlock system needs a complete overhaul.

Getting achievements is fun when they're just there to be achieved. Having to get them to unlock weaponry you've been waiting 6 months for turns them into an irritating grind. You sacrifice either the achievements or the unlocks with this current system.

To be honest i'd much rather if they just gave everyone the guns right away and left the achievements there for fun. As it is everyone just finds the achievements annoying and nothing but a barrier between them and the new weapons. It defeats the point of having them completely. With the Medic, Pyro and Heavy weapons I wasn't so bothered. The achievements were mostly easily attainable and were quite fun to get. This update though... Not only has it been 6 months since the last update, but the achievements are just bad. They're hard, a grind, and the unlocks are given out in a completely backwards order in regards to what the achievements require.

I just sat there trying to get them on Well and 2Fort servers until I got the Sandman. It wasn't fun, but I wanted to try it after all this waiting. I'd love to be able to get the achievements in my own time and enjoy seeing the pop up whenever it appeared but the system just doesn't work like that.

Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2009-02-25 17:32:17)

Uzique wrote:

My gripe is with their attitude; they think they have a right to ban/punish the huge number of players that object to their 'one update every 6 months' scheme.

How is the length of an unlock cycle - which is way more frequent than "once every six months" - related with gaining weapons through external and dishonest means? There is really little connection. Valve isn't punishing players that object to their update cycle; they are punishing players who circumvent how the game is intended to be played.

Some people don't care about the weapon unlocks.

Don't use them.

Some people don't care about the meaningless grinding-yawnfest of achievements.

Don't try for them.

They shouldn't be punished just because they don't want to partake in the "8 Scouts per server woo, for 3 months, woo!" festival.

This doesn't justify being a selfish loser and circumventing how Valve wanted to implement them. If you really didn't care about them, you wouldn't find a need to cheat to get them.


To append a note, I find it rather sad you think the ends always justify the means. If I want a nice house, does that justify fraud to acquire the money to get it, as opposed to honestly earning wealth? This is little different in any way.

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2009-02-25 17:34:53)

God, Nub your interruption was certainly unpredictable.



Selfish-loser? I don't use the guns, I don't care about stats. How am I being selfish? How are my actions even affecting or 'ruining' anyone elses enjoyment of the game? If you derive enjoyment and find it fun gaining achievements to unlock new weapons for classes that you actually play, then that's your own experience and you're welcome to it. Personally I just like having the weapons there in case I ever do find the need to use them, as unlikely as that may be. I'm certainly not harming anyone else in my conduct, nor does it even harm other people, so I don't see where selfishness comes into it.

The super-long update cycle is related to people's cheating methods because many people feel that, until all classes have been updated, the game is in a state of permanent incompletion and imbalance. I would rather wait for 12 months and receive every class update at once, and have an even-playing field with which to play on, rather than to buy into the hype-marketing calendar festivals that Valve construct every 3-4 months for the already-bored pubnubs.

Docta I have been banned, perma-banned and AWM'd into oblivion. You're not telling me anything new here. I wouldn't try to deny those brandings in the first place, so you're running ahead of yourself a little bit there with your self-fancied awesomeness. I don't only play TF2 to find reasons to hate it, I actually hugely enjoy playing the game and it is definitely one of my all-time top FPS games, both on a competitive level and on a more casual basis. I have no idea why you're launching an entire argument based on assumption, it's a little bit silly.

Last edited by Uzique (2009-02-25 17:39:39)