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2009-02-22 22:15:23
DeathBecomesYu
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp … 6#29333016

I find it funny that we repeatedly get posts in here about how big, bad America and its military is and yet when there is news like this, the left leaning trolls don't seem to want to post it. Oh, but a few in these forums can't wait to troll something in the early internet news to post in here. I give credit where credit is due and it seems that some things have been accomplished and people are getting freedoms they never had or thought they would never get.

There is obviously a shift happening away from Iraq to other areas now, mainly Afghanistan and Pakistan. The foreign fighters and Al-queda have given up on Iraq for the most part and are now setting up elsewhere. At least this time we might get help from Russian and other countries in these countries. Again, I wonder why this type of news is not being posted all over here?? Oh, that's right because it isn't negative for the anti-american trolls in here. Oh and for the whiners...it isn't Fox News
2009-02-22 22:18:52
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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Elsewhere...

(not contradicting the gist of your post, just wondering out loud)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2009-02-22 22:32:39
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6053|شمال
Saying Iraq is back to normal or even better based on selling short dresses and tight jeans?
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
2009-02-22 22:33:36
ATG
Banned
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I'd watch the video but you have to do 30 seconds of commercials first.

Iraq may be better off, but is America?


ffs, if bush had spent 1/10th of the attention here as he did there we may not be discussing nationalizing banks right now.


All in all, if Osamas stated goals were to bankrupts america and turn its people against the leadership, and ours was capturing or killing OBL, a rational person would have to say we lost the war.



Mind you, I take a long view towards war. I believe we won Vietnam, because our goals was to go against Russia and its expansion. We stopped them. Vietnam went to hell but that wasn't part of the concern of the strategic battle plan, so we did nothing.


Our post 9-11 behavior can only be viewed as a success if the goal was to get a majority of the world to hate us, go totally broke as a nation and to fail at getting Bin Laden.

I happy for the Iraqi people. But, c'mon...
2009-02-22 22:34:46
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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Spark wrote:

Elsewhere...

(not contradicting the gist of your post, just wondering out loud)
Hmmm.....So where was your post when some in here condemn the whole American army for individual acts. I didn't see anyone post...

"Elsewhere" and provide links to positive info, as in this post...its not that hard to have an open mind about good and bad.
2009-02-22 22:38:41
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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ATG wrote:

I'd watch the video but you have to do 30 seconds of commercials first.

Iraq may be better off, but is America?


ffs, if bush had spent 1/10th of the attention here as he did there we may not be discussing nationalizing banks right now.


All in all, if Osamas stated goals were to bankrupts america and turn its people against the leadership, and ours was capturing or killing OBL, a rational person would have to say we lost the war.



Mind you, I take a long view towards war. I believe we won Vietnam, because our goals was to go against Russia and its expansion. We stopped them. Vietnam went to hell but that wasn't part of the concern of the strategic battle plan, so we did nothing.


Our post 9-11 behavior can only be viewed as a success if the goal was to get a majority of the world to hate us, go totally broke as a nation and to fail at getting Bin Laden.

I happy for the Iraqi people. But, c'mon...
I agree with much of what you have said here but I really get tired of the negative BS in these forums about how terrible we are and when there is actually good news, there is hardly anyone taking any effort to even inform the public or even these forums. I actually believe that we need to focus much more at home and spend money where we really need it now. In the meantime, positive news seems to take a back seat in almost all parts of mainstream media, especially the internet.
2009-02-22 23:02:24
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6978|Canberra, AUS

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Spark wrote:

Elsewhere...

(not contradicting the gist of your post, just wondering out loud)
Hmmm.....So where was your post when some in here condemn the whole American army for individual acts. I didn't see anyone post...

"Elsewhere" and provide links to positive info, as in this post...its not that hard to have an open mind about good and bad.
Elsewhere as in "where elsewhere, I wonder."

Just making a point about the continuing trend away from the Middle East and towards South Asia as the focus point for the GWOT (we really need a better term)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2009-02-23 01:19:00
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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So basically they are back to where they were ten years ago, but now have Sharia law instead of Saddam's law?
Fuck Israel
2009-02-23 01:55:21
PureFodder
Member
+225|6589
Some of the problems brought about by our invasion have been solved?

If we keep going like this we may be able to get Iraq back to square one.
2009-02-23 03:01:54
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7071

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29333016#29333016

I find it funny that we repeatedly get posts in here about how big, bad America and its military is and yet when there is news like this, the left leaning trolls don't seem to want to post it. Oh, but a few in these forums can't wait to troll something in the early internet news to post in here. I give credit where credit is due and it seems that some things have been accomplished and people are getting freedoms they never had or thought they would never get.

There is obviously a shift happening away from Iraq to other areas now, mainly Afghanistan and Pakistan. The foreign fighters and Al-queda have given up on Iraq for the most part and are now setting up elsewhere. At least this time we might get help from Russian and other countries in these countries. Again, I wonder why this type of news is not being posted all over here?? Oh, that's right because it isn't negative for the anti-american trolls in here. Oh and for the whiners...it isn't Fox News
Look at me, i am so clever. posting a story so i can bash liberals.
2009-02-23 03:16:54
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6714|'Murka

ATG wrote:

Our post 9-11 behavior can only be viewed as a success if the goal was to get a majority of the world to hate us, go totally broke as a nation and to fail at getting Bin Laden.
But you take the "long view" towards war.

rrriiiiggghhhtttt.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-02-23 03:18:32
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6714|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

So basically they are back to where they were ten years ago, but now have Sharia law instead of Saddam's law?
Source showing Iraq is under Sharia law.

Oh, nvm. There isn't one. Because it's not.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2009-02-23 03:48:14
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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BN wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29333016#29333016

I find it funny that we repeatedly get posts in here about how big, bad America and its military is and yet when there is news like this, the left leaning trolls don't seem to want to post it. Oh, but a few in these forums can't wait to troll something in the early internet news to post in here. I give credit where credit is due and it seems that some things have been accomplished and people are getting freedoms they never had or thought they would never get.

There is obviously a shift happening away from Iraq to other areas now, mainly Afghanistan and Pakistan. The foreign fighters and Al-queda have given up on Iraq for the most part and are now setting up elsewhere. At least this time we might get help from Russian and other countries in these countries. Again, I wonder why this type of news is not being posted all over here?? Oh, that's right because it isn't negative for the anti-american trolls in here. Oh and for the whiners...it isn't Fox News
Look at me, i am so clever. posting a story so i can bash liberals.
It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative. It has to do with people in these forums living by double standards and posting everything they can to put America in the worst light it can. Here we have a video of people, especially women, who probably appreciate the turn around the country of Iraq is experiencing. I find it funny when people post so much negativity and yet ignore the positives that are now happening. Just look at the current lists of posts and you will see a couple of posts attacking what we have done there, painting a broad picture because of individual actions.

I live a life of reality where there are always two sides to the story and more news and experiences that the news and internet trollers want to ignore. I don't consider myself conservative or liberal, I just choose to understand that the picture is much bigger than the trolls in these forums want to even try to listen to. My post isn't about "me", it is about talking about sides many people here choose to ignore.
2009-02-23 03:56:55
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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Dilbert_X wrote:

So basically they are back to where they were ten years ago, but now have Sharia law instead of Saddam's law?
Sharia law? Did you even watch the video???? I don't see any part of that video talking about Sharia law or its affect on these women. I see a video about how they don't have to worry that type of crap at this moment. They can get married without a veil. They can drive, work, etc without worry and they feel secure enough to do so. Wonder why? Maybe because it has changed.

I do believe that for these women, times are better than Saddam and better than what Sharia tried to bring. I find it funny that people in these forums are talking about the invasion bringing things back to square one. Well.....did you want it to stay a shit hole? Be happy that stories like this are happening and that women are probably freer than they may have ever been. Anbar used to be a death trap, now it's one of the safest places and now these kinds of stories can finally be heard. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with that?

What if this succeeds, what if this turns out better than any of us hoped. Yes, the jury is still out and there may be a long way to go, if it does then what will you say? I am sure some in here will find something to bitch about.
2009-02-23 05:13:38
PureFodder
Member
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DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So basically they are back to where they were ten years ago, but now have Sharia law instead of Saddam's law?
Sharia law? Did you even watch the video???? I don't see any part of that video talking about Sharia law or its affect on these women. I see a video about how they don't have to worry that type of crap at this moment. They can get married without a veil. They can drive, work, etc without worry and they feel secure enough to do so. Wonder why? Maybe because it has changed.

I do believe that for these women, times are better than Saddam and better than what Sharia tried to bring. I find it funny that people in these forums are talking about the invasion bringing things back to square one. Well.....did you want it to stay a shit hole? Be happy that stories like this are happening and that women are probably freer than they may have ever been. Anbar used to be a death trap, now it's one of the safest places and now these kinds of stories can finally be heard. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with that?

What if this succeeds, what if this turns out better than any of us hoped. Yes, the jury is still out and there may be a long way to go, if it does then what will you say? I am sure some in here will find something to bitch about.
Go read up on women in Iraq and their conditions over the past 50 years.

They're currently trying to regain lost ground, not forge new frontiers.
2009-02-23 15:16:29
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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PureFodder wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

So basically they are back to where they were ten years ago, but now have Sharia law instead of Saddam's law?
Sharia law? Did you even watch the video???? I don't see any part of that video talking about Sharia law or its affect on these women. I see a video about how they don't have to worry that type of crap at this moment. They can get married without a veil. They can drive, work, etc without worry and they feel secure enough to do so. Wonder why? Maybe because it has changed.

I do believe that for these women, times are better than Saddam and better than what Sharia tried to bring. I find it funny that people in these forums are talking about the invasion bringing things back to square one. Well.....did you want it to stay a shit hole? Be happy that stories like this are happening and that women are probably freer than they may have ever been. Anbar used to be a death trap, now it's one of the safest places and now these kinds of stories can finally be heard. Seriously, what the hell is wrong with that?

What if this succeeds, what if this turns out better than any of us hoped. Yes, the jury is still out and there may be a long way to go, if it does then what will you say? I am sure some in here will find something to bitch about.
Go read up on women in Iraq and their conditions over the past 50 years.

They're currently trying to regain lost ground, not forge new frontiers.
I understand that but the point still is that things are changing for the better but no one wants to talk about it and they still want to harp on a few idiots who have gone beyond what is expected of our military. I know that women in Iraq probably were better off than most women in other Arab countries...but honestly that isn't saying much either. As long as news like this is out there, it should be up there with the BS many people post in here over and over.
2009-02-23 15:21:36
DeathBecomesYu
Member
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Dilbert_X wrote:

It'll be Sharia soon enough.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl … _iraq.html
http://www.hirhome.com/iraniraq/sharia.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 … 297054.htm
Of course there is a push for Sharia law but there is also a push against it. As far as I can tell, the push against it is winning out right now. Like I said in a previous post, who really knows. I know full well what Sharia is and what it can do and again in these forums, everybody uses it according to their agenda.

You are one of the guys who cries that its a small issue, that Islam is not a threat, but then you bring these links and posts and make it seem like it is inevitable. So which is it? Sharia law is reaching its ugly hands into many parts of the world, even Muslims I know (half of my family) do not want it and are living under threats of it. In one moment you put your head in the sand, the next you are proclaiming it a threat to women in Iraq.
2009-02-23 15:27:32
AutralianChainsaw
Member
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Dilbert_X wrote:

So basically they are back to where they were ten years ago, but now have Sharia law instead of Saddam's law?
And don't forget the 1 million + dead iraqis and the civil war as soon as the last american soldier get out of Iraq.

Yeah  really not that bad.

Good job America
2009-02-23 16:34:51
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command

FEOS wrote:

ATG wrote:

Our post 9-11 behavior can only be viewed as a success if the goal was to get a majority of the world to hate us, go totally broke as a nation and to fail at getting Bin Laden.
But you take the "long view" towards war.

rrriiiiggghhhtttt.
Did we get OBL?
Did we not go broke?
Are we not sort of...unpopular right now?


Oh, I suspect we will be for some time as much of the world can point fingers at our nation as to why their financial house is in such trouble.


We have made zero progress in squashing islamic fanaticism. We have shown that we can dispose a government, but at what moral cost?

I have taken the long view and thought forward to possible results of our adventures and see nothing good of it.
2009-02-23 17:14:57
ceslayer23
IN YOUR MIRROR
+142|6664|CLOSER THAN I APPEAR
It seems like I am the only one in this country that still thinks that America's best days are still ahead.
2009-02-23 17:37:53
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7065

Dilbert_X wrote:

So basically they are back to where they were ten years ago, but now have Sharia law instead of Saddam's law?
no.  the kurds actually can live now.  they have prospered big time.  one small difference if you care about "those" people i guess.
2009-02-23 17:40:01
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7065

ATG wrote:

Are we not sort of...unpopular right now?
what are you are a 14yr old chick on facebook?  good grief

Last edited by usmarine (2009-02-23 17:40:29)

2009-02-23 17:41:33
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,984|6935|949

usmarine wrote:

ATG wrote:

Are we not sort of...unpopular right now?
good grief
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2009-02-23 18:06:14
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6708|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

I'd watch the video but you have to do 30 seconds of commercials first.

Iraq may be better off, but is America?


ffs, if bush had spent 1/10th of the attention here as he did there we may not be discussing nationalizing banks right now.


All in all, if Osamas stated goals were to bankrupts america and turn its people against the leadership, and ours was capturing or killing OBL, a rational person would have to say we lost the war.



Mind you, I take a long view towards war. I believe we won Vietnam, because our goals was to go against Russia and its expansion. We stopped them. Vietnam went to hell but that wasn't part of the concern of the strategic battle plan, so we did nothing.


Our post 9-11 behavior can only be viewed as a success if the goal was to get a majority of the world to hate us, go totally broke as a nation and to fail at getting Bin Laden.

I happy for the Iraqi people. But, c'mon...
Great post...

I don't quite agree with your assessment of Vietnam, but...  the general idea is that invading Iraq was really more for their benefit than ours.

At this point, I'm just glad that we're moving out of Iraq.  The war in Afghanistan is more relevant, although Pakistan seems like the next target....

Last edited by Turquoise (2009-02-23 18:06:53)

 

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