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2009-02-21 19:43:08
Macbeth
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SgtHeihn wrote:

Well, the area of Iraq I was in has already been turned over to the Iraqi Army. It is also one of the most peaceful areas. So I guess they were not just telling us what we wanted to hear. They helped us drive the Foreign fighters out.
Right so your experience in the most peaceful area negates everyone elses experience in none peaceful areas as well as negates the facts of the war as a whole.

SgtHeihn wrote:

I guess that the country almost breaking out into civil war(religious) really means they banded together to drive us out.
Almost,
Almost at one point. Slight difference of opinion at one point. But now things are back on track between many groups.

SgtHeihn wrote:

Oh and another thing that you wouldn't understand is that whole part of the world works around bribes, once you have actually experienced more of the world rather then getting it from the internet, you learn a lot more.
Your assumption of my life is rather amusing. At least to me. I know my life and I could say I've had much experience throughout it.
I like how you legitimized people telling you what you want to hear them say through bribes. No matter how much you bribe someone into doing something they will still have their feelings and once they see a good moment to take what they really want or once the money stop coming in they'll turn on you. You can never win a person's heart through bribes.
2009-02-21 19:56:53
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6789|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

Macbeth wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

Well, the area of Iraq I was in has already been turned over to the Iraqi Army. It is also one of the most peaceful areas. So I guess they were not just telling us what we wanted to hear. They helped us drive the Foreign fighters out.
Right so your experience in the most peaceful area negates everyone elses experience in none peaceful areas as well as negates the facts of the war as a whole.

SgtHeihn wrote:

I guess that the country almost breaking out into civil war(religious) really means they banded together to drive us out.
Almost,
Almost at one point. Slight difference of opinion at one point. But now things are back on track between many groups.

SgtHeihn wrote:

Oh and another thing that you wouldn't understand is that whole part of the world works around bribes, once you have actually experienced more of the world rather then getting it from the internet, you learn a lot more.
Your assumption of my life is rather amusing. At least to me. I know my life and I could say I've had much experience throughout it.
I like how you legitimized people telling you what you want to hear them say through bribes. No matter how much you bribe someone into doing something they will still have their feelings and once they see a good moment to take what they really want or once the money stop coming in they'll turn on you. You can never win a person's heart through bribes.
I apologize for my not clarifying the area I was in. It was the AL Anbar province, used to be the most violent, now it is one of the most peaceful.

If they are so back on track, why are freedom fighters leaving Iraq and going to Afghanistan?

The bribe part is how that region runs. They are one step above the stone age in most parts. They work for the strongest group, which happens to be the US. We can pay a lot more then the insurgents.

What experience do you have in Middle East countries? I would like to hear how you became a expert on workings of Iraq. I am speaking from personal experience. True, they want us out of their, but they also want to learn from us.
2009-02-21 20:22:08
Macbeth
Banned
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I apologize for my not clarifying the area I was in. It was the AL Anbar province, used to be the most violent, now it is one of the most peaceful.
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If they are so back on track, why are freedom fighters leaving Iraq and going to Afghanistan?
I never said they were freedom fighters. Whatever you think about the people you fought against is up to you but don't attribute what you think of them to me. I simply am looking at their perspective on the situation. On the Insurgents leaving...it may be because Iraq might end soon and they're going to the next battlefield or maybe they're tired of the same damn place. I cannot speak of the entire insurgency.

The bribe part is how that region runs. They are one step above the stone age in most parts. They work for the strongest group, which happens to be the US. We can pay a lot more then the insurgents.
Yes and once the money stops coming in or they see a better way to make money without you, they will turn on you.
What experience do you have in Middle East countries? I would like to hear how you became a expert on workings of Iraq. I am speaking from personal experience. True, they want us out of their, but they also want to learn from us.
None. I never claimed to be an expert on Iraq. I'm speaking from the aspect of how people work. When people are threatened by a large force they tend to work together. When somebody in another persons place and they're not like them the people of that place tend to try to expel them. When you try to use bribes to get people to work for you in turns them into cash grubbing dicks who you've just programmed to give up their beliefs for cash. Once you run out of it or they can make more other ways they're going to fuck you over.
2009-02-22 00:51:25
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6052|شمال

LividBovine wrote:

Heres the difference:

When they kill our soldiers:
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/0 … 68x312.jpg

When we kill theirs:
http://www.eccourt.com/images/courtroom.JPG
I lold so hard... Nice pic above.
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2009-02-22 01:23:54
mikkel
Member
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Roger Lesboules wrote:

mikkel wrote:

KuSTaV wrote:

Its a shithole. This is war.
So what? Anything goes?
Not anything, but its war, you cant control everything that's happening, you send soldier to another country, load of soldiers, you cant expect that everything will goes as planned...Also, they got deployed to actually kill. I do not say that killing "innocents" is a good thing but well...Killing people in another country when its not your fucking bussiness is not really any better.
Being able to control things doesn't play into it. It doesn't matter that it didn't go as planned. It's murder, and anyone who would defend or discount it by reason of it "being war" is an idiot. Plain and simple.
2009-02-22 01:28:48
lowing
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mikkel wrote:

Roger Lesboules wrote:

mikkel wrote:


So what? Anything goes?
Not anything, but its war, you cant control everything that's happening, you send soldier to another country, load of soldiers, you cant expect that everything will goes as planned...Also, they got deployed to actually kill. I do not say that killing "innocents" is a good thing but well...Killing people in another country when its not your fucking bussiness is not really any better.
Being able to control things doesn't play into it. It doesn't matter that it didn't go as planned. It's murder, and anyone who would defend or discount it by reason of it "being war" is an idiot. Plain and simple.
Actually, anyone who does not see what war does to people, who otherwise would never do shit like this, is the idiot.
2009-02-22 01:46:45
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,060|7074|PNW

rammunition wrote:

What a coward pig, and now apologising trying to look like a victim and not pleading guilty???
Wonderful US military training can turn people into flakes. I know I was a bit touchy with two hours of sleep. But I think this [lame excuse-making] is more of a case of 'you're all special' training received in gradeschool.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2009-02-22 01:48:06)

2009-02-22 05:30:02
mikkel
Member
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lowing wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Roger Lesboules wrote:


Not anything, but its war, you cant control everything that's happening, you send soldier to another country, load of soldiers, you cant expect that everything will goes as planned...Also, they got deployed to actually kill. I do not say that killing "innocents" is a good thing but well...Killing people in another country when its not your fucking bussiness is not really any better.
Being able to control things doesn't play into it. It doesn't matter that it didn't go as planned. It's murder, and anyone who would defend or discount it by reason of it "being war" is an idiot. Plain and simple.
Actually, anyone who does not see what war does to people, who otherwise would never do shit like this, is the idiot.
So I guess all military branches are staffed by idiots for punishing these actions by death, huh? Don't be an idiot. It's not a trade secret what war does to people. That's why soldiers are trained, and not just handed a rifle and told to kill people. They need to live up to certain standards.
2009-02-22 10:10:39
imortal
Member
+240|6967|Austin, TX

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

Heres the difference:

When they kill our soldiers:
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/0 … 68x312.jpg

When we kill theirs:
http://www.eccourt.com/images/courtroom.JPG
of course there you are assuming that every person killed by US forces in Iraq is a "soldier"

most of the casualties arnt. im not saying the US is evil blah blah.

but alot of innocent Iraqi's have died yet every (well almost) american killed in Iraq was a soldier or in some Iraqi's eye an invader.
You do miss one small item.  What about the Iraqi civilians killed by the insurgants attacks, bombs, intimidation tactics?  Not every Iraqi civilian killed is done so by American soldiers.
2009-02-22 10:16:59
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6707|North Carolina
Soldier commits murders.  Soldier is being tried for said murders.

I don't see the problem here.  We're following the due process of law, and if found guilty, he will be punished accordingly.
2009-02-22 15:33:52
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6953|USA

mikkel wrote:

lowing wrote:

mikkel wrote:


Being able to control things doesn't play into it. It doesn't matter that it didn't go as planned. It's murder, and anyone who would defend or discount it by reason of it "being war" is an idiot. Plain and simple.
Actually, anyone who does not see what war does to people, who otherwise would never do shit like this, is the idiot.
So I guess all military branches are staffed by idiots for punishing these actions by death, huh? Don't be an idiot. It's not a trade secret what war does to people. That's why soldiers are trained, and not just handed a rifle and told to kill people. They need to live up to certain standards.
When you come from civilized moral background, and are tossed into a situation where civility and morality does not exist, it changes a person. I have talked to soldiers that say they are full of adrenalin, and a sense that they can do whatever they want. and they "love this shit". They must restrain themselves. Sometimes in the wrong frame of mind they do not until they come off of their rush and it sinks in as to what they have done.


Usmarine and a few others might have a perspective worth listening to. I am only telling you what I got from conversations with soldiers while I was there. I personally, have no idea.
2009-02-22 17:04:38
usmarine
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Turquoise wrote:

Soldier commits murders.  Soldier is being tried for said murders.

I don't see the problem here.  We're following the due process of law, and if found guilty, he will be punished accordingly.
/close thread
2009-02-22 17:07:56
usmarine
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rammunition wrote:

The U.S does send out criminals into Iraq to serve but are to dumb to understand that its a criminals paradise.
you cant talk about muslims like that.  generalizations ftl.  its only a small minority, and you are racist for saying otherwise.  zomg the muslims are going to kill us all.

oh wait...he wasnt talking about muslims or islam.  well then its ok on these forums i guess.  no need for the forum racism police to speak up about generalisations since it is only about americans.

gj forum
2009-02-22 17:42:11
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6967|NT, like Mick Dundee

usmarine, since when did anybody listen to ramm seriously?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-02-22 18:24:26
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7008
Can't we just ban Rammunition and be done with all his BS?  He is degrading the quality of this forum.
2009-02-22 18:29:45
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6789|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Can't we just ban Rammunition and be done with all his BS?  He is degrading the quality of this forum.
Come on, he is like our own little hate troll that only comes out once a month, spews his bullshit gives us all a laugh and goes back under his bridge.
2009-02-22 18:37:16
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6953|USA

SgtHeihn wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Can't we just ban Rammunition and be done with all his BS?  He is degrading the quality of this forum.
Come on, he is like our own little hate troll that only comes out once a month, spews his bullshit gives us all a laugh and goes back under his bridge.
Actually, he has a point of view agree or not, I support a forum that would not censor him for it.
2009-02-22 19:15:39
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6802|so randum

lowing wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Can't we just ban Rammunition and be done with all his BS?  He is degrading the quality of this forum.
Come on, he is like our own little hate troll that only comes out once a month, spews his bullshit gives us all a laugh and goes back under his bridge.
Actually, he has a point of view agree or not, I support a forum that would not censor him for it.
Cause a censored forum would leave you with nothing to post
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2009-02-22 19:34:02
lowing
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FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:


Come on, he is like our own little hate troll that only comes out once a month, spews his bullshit gives us all a laugh and goes back under his bridge.
Actually, he has a point of view agree or not, I support a forum that would not censor him for it.
Cause a censored forum would leave you with nothing to post
More like,

a censored forum, what would it really offer.

As for me, I think, even though I have slipped a few times, I show great restraint against the relentless attacks on my opinions.
2009-02-22 19:36:53
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6802|so randum

lowing wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:


Actually, he has a point of view agree or not, I support a forum that would not censor him for it.
Cause a censored forum would leave you with nothing to post
More like,

a censored forum, what would it really offer.

As for me, I think, even though I have slipped a few times, I show great restraint against the relentless attacks on my opinions.
Twas a jest

agree though, without something to stir people up once a while, this place would stagnate
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
2009-02-22 20:09:40
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5888

I thought this was amusing when I saw it. I rather not have to create another thread to post it.

Sorry if it was posted before.
2009-02-22 22:54:03
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6052|شمال

Macbeth wrote:

I thought this was amusing when I saw it. I rather not have to create another thread to post it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1GrdTakvl8
Sorry if it was posted before.
lol...win!
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
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2009-02-23 01:33:04
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6408|eXtreme to the maX
I bet that translator is having some fun.

"I'm a big fat assed American, I'm gay for you gays, I'd bend over and touch my toes for each and every one of you, I want you in me"

Its what I would do

Maybe thats why the guy started laughing.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-02-23 01:36:06)

Fuck Israel
2009-02-23 03:11:45
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6713|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

I bet that translator is having some fun.

"I'm a big fat assed American, I'm gay for you gays, I'd bend over and touch my toes for each and every one of you, I want you in me"

Its what I would do

Maybe thats why the guy started laughing.
Yeah. God forbid someone tells them the truth.

In spite of the colorful language and clear emotion, he's spot on about the problems they are facing over there.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2009-02-23 04:23:46
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7112|Nårvei

Generalizing ftw ... 1 guy screws up and you manage to blame them all ..

gg rammunition, making threads like this doesn't exactly improve your credibility ...
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