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2009-02-14 09:05:03
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

ColCarnage wrote:


I wonder why Skittles maybe because Europeans colonized America? Might that have something to do with it?
couldn't be

also mek, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Santa Fe aren't derived from either Native Americans OR you disgusting fucking europeans
calm down with your "disgusting fucking europeans" talk, that's just hilarious man. I just find it too funny how you people act like you were/are a different race to Europeans or something, especially you, Mr. Latino/Spanish/Argentinian immigrant to the USA....?
we ARE a different race
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2009-02-14 09:05:50
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7040|Scotland

Superior Mind wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

ColCarnage wrote:


I wonder why Skittles maybe because Europeans colonized America? Might that have something to do with it?
couldn't be

also mek, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Santa Fe aren't derived from either Native Americans OR you disgusting fucking europeans
Most of our European named towns are from the Romans. You barbarians kept the Roman names, then we took them. So it doesn't look too great for you either.
But the Romans are Europeans.....
2009-02-14 09:07:02
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6931
I'm pretty sure we invented the taco.
2009-02-14 09:08:14
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6755

ColCarnage wrote:

Uzique wrote:

ColCarnage wrote:


wat uzique the French Revolution began years after the American Rev.
I'm talking about in thought... not politics. Descartes, Montaigne, Voltaire, Montesquieu and the like... thinkers that forwarded cultural and philosophical thought in Europe that was then later built upon afterwards to get us closer to where we are today. So does that make a quadruple-fail on the part of Spearhead? The political Enlightenment-principles of the French Revolution were contemporary with the United States being founded though, no? So even that ambiguous mistake isn't really incorrect...
Well I am not going to try an argue with Enlightenment Philosophy's impact on the American Rev, but you didnt say anything about that you said the fooking French Revolution :p
The political French Revolution that you speak of is exactly the same in principle, it was the political and mass-movement result of that paradigmatic shift in thinking and philosophy. The point that I was trying to make at the end of the day is that European philosophy, arts and culture did 99% of the work that American thought and principles were built on. You escaped the dogmatism of Europe, sure, but now your country is even more dogmatic and religious than most of the Western European coutries that have continually been moving on at the same pace since the 1500's. Seriously arguing the cultural, philosophical and intellectual merits of each culture is insane. It's a by-default victory to Europe. You Americans nitpick our phases of colonialism and Imperialism as if they paint the entire history of Europe with a blood-red brush. They really don't; what you do not realize is that most of modern-day western philosophy and morality/ideals were founded in Europe in and out of states of religious rule and secular thought. Plus, I still maintain my point about America simply being a 'blank slate' experiment- you had no resistance and no prior ways of thought to overcome; the only Revolution in mass-terms that you undertook was one to shake off the shackles of the European past. Bringing about major change and advancing thought back on the home-continent is much, much harder.

Feel free to argue back against any of these points with your Wikipedia knowledge. I shall gladly counter.
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2009-02-14 09:08:22
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6784|so randum

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

I'm pretty sure we invented the taco.
And i'm pretty sure we invented lots of other nice stuff

So HA
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2009-02-14 09:08:27
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6977

Mekstizzle wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

couldn't be

also mek, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Santa Fe aren't derived from either Native Americans OR you disgusting fucking europeans
Most of our European named towns are from the Romans. You barbarians kept the Roman names, then we took them. So it doesn't look too great for you either.
I had no Idea the Romans were not considered European, thank you for giving this wonderful insight

But tbh, when people talk of Europe as a unified continent, it's stupid. The continent has been at each others balls up until the EU was created, and the EU was just created so that the mainland assholes could finally control all of Europe like they have wanted to (Roman Empire, Napoleon, Hitler etc..) throughout history
Of course the Romans were European (more like their own class, Mediterranean). However Europe went and fucked that up and then there was the Dark Ages.

FatherTed wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

I'm pretty sure we invented the taco.
And i'm pretty sure we invented lots of other nice stuff

So HA
Name five food or drinks invented by the Europeans that you feel worthy to list and I shall counter your list.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2009-02-14 09:10:08)

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2009-02-14 09:10:42
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6956|UK

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


couldn't be

also mek, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Santa Fe aren't derived from either Native Americans OR you disgusting fucking europeans
calm down with your "disgusting fucking europeans" talk, that's just hilarious man. I just find it too funny how you people act like you were/are a different race to Europeans or something, especially you, Mr. Latino/Spanish/Argentinian immigrant to the USA....?
we ARE a different race
No, you're just Europeans with a different accent.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2009-02-14 09:11:30
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6755

Superior Mind wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Most of our European named towns are from the Romans. You barbarians kept the Roman names, then we took them. So it doesn't look too great for you either.
I had no Idea the Romans were not considered European, thank you for giving this wonderful insight

But tbh, when people talk of Europe as a unified continent, it's stupid. The continent has been at each others balls up until the EU was created, and the EU was just created so that the mainland assholes could finally control all of Europe like they have wanted to (Roman Empire, Napoleon, Hitler etc..) throughout history
Of course the Romans were European (more like their own class, Mediterranean). However Europe went and fucked that up and then there was the Dark Ages.
What a poor understanding of European history. The Dark Ages' were actually hugely beneficial and forwarded a lot of our societal and social thought. The religious and militaristic core of the Roman Empire falling of course caused a "Dark Ages" in respects to that, but that doesn't mean we just sat around twiddling our thumbs for the next 500 years. And how the FUCK are Meditteranean's their own 'class' of Europeans? Half of Europe is the Mediterranean, you idiot.

Also, I like how the awesomely-superior Americans define their 'triumphs' over the European continent's thought and philosophy by naming 5 material consumer-brands or products that are better than ours. Hahaha, that sums it all up.

Last edited by Uzique (2009-02-14 09:12:28)

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2009-02-14 09:11:44
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6956|UK

Superior Mind wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Most of our European named towns are from the Romans. You barbarians kept the Roman names, then we took them. So it doesn't look too great for you either.
I had no Idea the Romans were not considered European, thank you for giving this wonderful insight

But tbh, when people talk of Europe as a unified continent, it's stupid. The continent has been at each others balls up until the EU was created, and the EU was just created so that the mainland assholes could finally control all of Europe like they have wanted to (Roman Empire, Napoleon, Hitler etc..) throughout history
Of course the Romans were European (more like their own class, Mediterranean). However Europe went and fucked that up and then there was the Dark Ages.

FatherTed wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

I'm pretty sure we invented the taco.
And i'm pretty sure we invented lots of other nice stuff

So HA
Name five food or drinks invented by the Europeans that you feel worthy to list and I shall counter your list.
Lucozade
Ribena
Vimto
Irn Bru
Tizer
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2009-02-14 09:11:44
andy12
Banned
+52|6942

Zimmer wrote:

andy12 wrote:

Zimmer wrote:


I would love to agree with all of what you said Ted. But the quoted comment is utter bullshit, especially coming from Brits.
Since the language is called "English", however the "English" people speak it is the correct way. You don't get Mexicans telling you Spanishfags how to speak Spanish do ya? That's cause they're too busy tryna hop boarders, but if they weren't...
Wait, what? Did you just try and insult me, with poor English? How ironic.

Go back to nursery school and lern2spel

@ FatherTed and Uzique : I never said that the Americans speak more proper than Brits. I merely said that the Brits didn't. The UK level of English is below that of many European countries whose first language isn't even English. Uzique, you go to Oxford. I am pretty sure most people there speak "proper" English.

I think the whole "proper speak" bullshit is wrong. It's just stupid.

Also, I am not Scottish, you fool.
I didn't try to insult you at all, I put it into a context that related to you as a Spaniard. Jesus people here are so defensive...

Calm yourself down and re read.
2009-02-14 09:12:53
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6977

m3thod wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:


calm down with your "disgusting fucking europeans" talk, that's just hilarious man. I just find it too funny how you people act like you were/are a different race to Europeans or something, especially you, Mr. Latino/Spanish/Argentinian immigrant to the USA....?
we ARE a different race
No, you're just Europeans with a different accent.
Not at all. We have had some 400 years to develop a distinct identity. All Americans that is, Northern Hemisphere and Southern. The interbreeding and integrating of Aboriginals with Europeans, and Africans with Europeans in this land has made for very uniquely American customs.
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2009-02-14 09:14:27
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6755

Superior Mind wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:


we ARE a different race
No, you're just Europeans with a different accent.
Not at all. We have had some 400 years to develop a distinct identity. All Americans that is, Northern Hemisphere and Southern. The interbreeding and integrating of Aboriginals with Europeans, and Africans with Europeans in this land has made for very uniquely American customs.
What a poor understanding of European history. The Dark Ages' were actually hugely beneficial and forwarded a lot of our societal and social thought. The religious and militaristic core of the Roman Empire falling of course caused a "Dark Ages" in respects to that, but that doesn't mean we just sat around twiddling our thumbs for the next 500 years. And how the FUCK are Meditteranean's their own 'class' of Europeans? Half of Europe is the Mediterranean, you idiot.
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2009-02-14 09:14:52
ColCarnage
taw
+283|5880

Uzique wrote:

ColCarnage wrote:

Uzique wrote:

I'm talking about in thought... not politics. Descartes, Montaigne, Voltaire, Montesquieu and the like... thinkers that forwarded cultural and philosophical thought in Europe that was then later built upon afterwards to get us closer to where we are today. So does that make a quadruple-fail on the part of Spearhead? The political Enlightenment-principles of the French Revolution were contemporary with the United States being founded though, no? So even that ambiguous mistake isn't really incorrect...
Well I am not going to try an argue with Enlightenment Philosophy's impact on the American Rev, but you didnt say anything about that you said the fooking French Revolution :p
The political French Revolution that you speak of is exactly the same in principle, it was the political and mass-movement result of that paradigmatic shift in thinking and philosophy. The point that I was trying to make at the end of the day is that European philosophy, arts and culture did 99% of the work that American thought and principles were built on. You escaped the dogmatism of Europe, sure, but now your country is even more dogmatic and religious than most of the Western European coutries that have continually been moving on at the same pace since the 1500's. Seriously arguing the cultural, philosophical and intellectual merits of each culture is insane. It's a by-default victory to Europe. You Americans nitpick our phases of colonialism and Imperialism as if they paint the entire history of Europe with a blood-red brush. They really don't; what you do not realize is that most of modern-day western philosophy and morality/ideals were founded in Europe in and out of states of religious rule and secular thought. Plus, I still maintain my point about America simply being a 'blank slate' experiment- you had no resistance and no prior ways of thought to overcome; the only Revolution in mass-terms that you undertook was one to shake off the shackles of the European past. Bringing about major change and advancing thought back on the home-continent is much, much harder.

Feel free to argue back against any of these points with your Wikipedia knowledge. I shall gladly counter.
lel wikipedia knowledge....
well I am not going to try an argue with Enlightenment Philosophy's impact on the American Rev
Did you not even read that or did you just have an itch to write a goddamn essay?

Last edited by ColCarnage (2009-02-14 09:16:30)

2009-02-14 09:15:49
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7040|Scotland

andy12 wrote:

I didn't try to insult you at all, I put it into a context that related to you as a Spaniard. Jesus people here are so defensive...

Calm yourself down and re read.
spanishfags


I don't need it in Spanish context, seeing as I currently live in the UK...
2009-02-14 09:15:57
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6977

Uzique wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

I had no Idea the Romans were not considered European, thank you for giving this wonderful insight

But tbh, when people talk of Europe as a unified continent, it's stupid. The continent has been at each others balls up until the EU was created, and the EU was just created so that the mainland assholes could finally control all of Europe like they have wanted to (Roman Empire, Napoleon, Hitler etc..) throughout history
Of course the Romans were European (more like their own class, Mediterranean). However Europe went and fucked that up and then there was the Dark Ages.
What a poor understanding of European history. The Dark Ages' were actually hugely beneficial and forwarded a lot of our societal and social thought. The religious and militaristic core of the Roman Empire falling of course caused a "Dark Ages" in respects to that, but that doesn't mean we just sat around twiddling our thumbs for the next 500 years. And how the FUCK are Meditteranean's their own 'class' of Europeans? Half of Europe is the Mediterranean, you idiot.

Also, I like how the awesomely-superior Americans define their 'triumphs' over the European continent's thought and philosophy by naming 5 material consumer-brands or products that are better than ours. Hahaha, that sums it all up.
Come down mister self righteous. Rome's empire was largely the med. that is to say Northmen Africa, the Levant, and Europe. That was just an observation, not an attack. When ever someone attacks another in a debate it is a sign of poor rhetoric.

My bit about food is nothing less cultural than your proper English education.

m3thod wrote:

Lucozade
Ribena
Vimto
Irn Bru
Tizer
Those are all gross looking brand name drinks.

Corn
Tequila
Chocolate

Just to name a few.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2009-02-14 09:22:30)

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2009-02-14 09:20:42
andy12
Banned
+52|6942

Zimmer wrote:

andy12 wrote:

I didn't try to insult you at all, I put it into a context that related to you as a Spaniard. Jesus people here are so defensive...

Calm yourself down and re read.
spanishfags


I don't need it in Spanish context, seeing as I currently live in the UK...
You are Spanish no?
2009-02-14 09:21:58
Warhammer
Member
+18|5965
If England is so great. Why America separate from you and a few hundred years later became the best country in military and economy. OOOOOH BURRRRRN!!! (Joking)

Personally, I like England as a loyal friend thanks for the ancestors.
2009-02-14 09:22:22
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6755

Superior Mind wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:


Of course the Romans were European (more like their own class, Mediterranean). However Europe went and fucked that up and then there was the Dark Ages.
What a poor understanding of European history. The Dark Ages' were actually hugely beneficial and forwarded a lot of our societal and social thought. The religious and militaristic core of the Roman Empire falling of course caused a "Dark Ages" in respects to that, but that doesn't mean we just sat around twiddling our thumbs for the next 500 years. And how the FUCK are Meditteranean's their own 'class' of Europeans? Half of Europe is the Mediterranean, you idiot.

Also, I like how the awesomely-superior Americans define their 'triumphs' over the European continent's thought and philosophy by naming 5 material consumer-brands or products that are better than ours. Hahaha, that sums it all up.
Come down mister self righteous. Rome's empire was largely the med. that is to say Northmen Africa, the Levant, and Europe. That was just an observation, not an attack. When ever someone attacks another in a debate it is a sign of poor rhetoric.

My bit about food is between Ted and I.
Saying that Romans, Italians or Mediterraneans are a 'different class' of European is utterly retarded. Defining that distinction based on which direction their empire expanded, is even more stupid. The Roman thought, society-structure and heritage fell upon all of Europe, not the Levant and North Africa. That's like saying Hitler was a different class of European and wasn't really Austrian/German because lots of his military efforts were in Northern Africa and Russia, off the European continent. Honestly.  Mediterranean = European. Always has.

Also Col, yes I did read what you said. Don't call me stupid or accuse me of making a mistake if you're going to agree with me immediately after in your next post. Thanks.
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2009-02-14 09:23:22
ColCarnage
taw
+283|5880

Uzique wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Uzique wrote:


What a poor understanding of European history. The Dark Ages' were actually hugely beneficial and forwarded a lot of our societal and social thought. The religious and militaristic core of the Roman Empire falling of course caused a "Dark Ages" in respects to that, but that doesn't mean we just sat around twiddling our thumbs for the next 500 years. And how the FUCK are Meditteranean's their own 'class' of Europeans? Half of Europe is the Mediterranean, you idiot.

Also, I like how the awesomely-superior Americans define their 'triumphs' over the European continent's thought and philosophy by naming 5 material consumer-brands or products that are better than ours. Hahaha, that sums it all up.
Come down mister self righteous. Rome's empire was largely the med. that is to say Northmen Africa, the Levant, and Europe. That was just an observation, not an attack. When ever someone attacks another in a debate it is a sign of poor rhetoric.

My bit about food is between Ted and I.
Saying that Romans, Italians or Mediterraneans are a 'different class' of European is utterly retarded. Defining that distinction based on which direction their empire expanded, is even more stupid. The Roman thought, society-structure and heritage fell upon all of Europe, not the Levant and North Africa. That's like saying Hitler was a different class of European and wasn't really Austrian/German because lots of his military efforts were in Northern Africa and Russia, off the European continent. Honestly.  Mediterranean = European. Always has.

Also Col, yes I did read what you said. Don't call me stupid or accuse me of making a mistake if you're going to agree with me immediately after in your next post. Thanks.
Where the hell did I call you stupid? Get paranoid
2009-02-14 09:26:03
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6977

Uzique wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Uzique wrote:

What a poor understanding of European history. The Dark Ages' were actually hugely beneficial and forwarded a lot of our societal and social thought. The religious and militaristic core of the Roman Empire falling of course caused a "Dark Ages" in respects to that, but that doesn't mean we just sat around twiddling our thumbs for the next 500 years. And how the FUCK are Meditteranean's their own 'class' of Europeans? Half of Europe is the Mediterranean, you idiot.

Also, I like how the awesomely-superior Americans define their 'triumphs' over the European continent's thought and philosophy by naming 5 material consumer-brands or products that are better than ours. Hahaha, that sums it all up.
Come down mister self righteous. Rome's empire was largely the med. that is to say Northmen Africa, the Levant, and Europe. That was just an observation, not an attack. When ever someone attacks another in a debate it is a sign of poor rhetoric.

My bit about food is between Ted and I.
Saying that Romans, Italians or Mediterraneans are a 'different class' of European is utterly retarded. Defining that distinction based on which direction their empire expanded, is even more stupid. The Roman thought, society-structure and heritage fell upon all of Europe, not the Levant and North Africa. That's like saying Hitler was a different class of European and wasn't really Austrian/German because lots of his military efforts were in Northern Africa and Russia, off the European continent. Honestly.  Mediterranean = European. Always has.

Also Col, yes I did read what you said. Don't call me stupid or accuse me of making a mistake if you're going to agree with me immediately after in your next post. Thanks.
Dude. I've made myself clear about that. Romans were Europeans originally, but their empire was Mediterranean. No need to argue over a frivolous observation with such ferocity.

If all of your rhetoric turns into some kind of swearing fit, then, to be honest, I'd rather not get in to it with you anymore. Good day, sir.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2009-02-14 09:30:46)

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2009-02-14 09:30:11
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6755
I'm arguing over something "frivolous" with "ferocity" (lol) because Romans were European people. All of the achievements of the Roman Empire are, for the most part, European achievements. It's part of our history, our culture, our heritage. Of course they weren't the oligarchical unifying force of Europe that they ideally wanted to be, but a great part of our current-day existence derives from systems and ideologies that they passed on. Their empire extended both ways you know, they took most of Western/Central Europe and the majority of the British Isles. Campaigns into Asia and Africa doesn't make them an exclusively "Mediterranean" empire. They were European, there's no distinction of separation to be made.
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2009-02-14 09:30:15
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7040|Scotland

Superior Mind wrote:

Chocolate
Did you just say chocolate? Oh fucking dear.

/facepalm
/double facepalm

You think of yourself as an Aztec now? Jesus, ignorance is HIGHHHHHHHHHH.
2009-02-14 09:32:16
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5986|College Park, MD

Zimmer wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Chocolate
Did you just say chocolate? Oh fucking dear.

/facepalm
/double facepalm

You think of yourself as an Aztec now? Jesus, ignorance is HIGHHHHHHHHHH.
Aztec = Mexico
Mexico = Mexicans
Mexicans = A very large part of America's western population

Ergo, a very large part of America's western population = Aztec
https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/36793/marylandsig.jpg
2009-02-14 09:33:03
Superior Mind
(not macbeth)
+1,755|6977

Zimmer wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Chocolate
Did you just say chocolate? Oh fucking dear.

/facepalm
/double facepalm

You think of yourself as an Aztec now? Jesus, ignorance is HIGHHHHHHHHHH.
I said American, did I not? Aztecs thrived in North America, did they not? I don't think of myself as Aztec. However they are just as much a part of American history as the United States is. Also, it wasn't my ancestors that utterly raped those people, so don't try to give me a gilt trip.
x
2009-02-14 09:34:19
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7040|Scotland

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

Chocolate
Did you just say chocolate? Oh fucking dear.

/facepalm
/double facepalm

You think of yourself as an Aztec now? Jesus, ignorance is HIGHHHHHHHHHH.
Aztec = Mexico
Mexico = Mexicans
Mexicans = A very large part of America's western population

Ergo, a very large part of America's western population = Aztec
LOL.

You didn't invent chocolate. End of. You may have discovered the Cocoa bean ( and even then, you claiming you are descendants of aztecs is funneh ) but you never ever ever invented chocolate as it is known today.

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