BF2S Forums War in Gaza Official Thread

Poseidon wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I'm counting down the seconds before someone replies with "Omg like you don't know what those jews are doing". You see, if you post a disgusting act, like people shouting endorsements of genocide, you must immediately follow it up with an opposing and equally disturbing contribution. Otherwise they brand you as unfair, out of touch, and brain washed.

But remember Kerry, Europeans are so much more progressive then we are. We are just stupid Americans. Poseidon, you better not leave the house because of the roving anti- Jew mobs.

Well, to be fair, a lot of those incidents happened in the US.

It's funny that they demonstrate in Fort Lauderdale/Boca Raton (New York South) which is filled with mostly retired Jews because they know they won't do anything to retaliate. Do the same thing in Brooklyn and they're in for a rude awakening.

nukcheiO wrote:

It's always worse in Europe, it appears.

HRW wrote:

Israel should stop using white phosphorus in military operations in densely populated areas of Gaza, Human Rights Watch said today. On January 9 and 10, 2009, Human Rights Watch researchers in Israel observed multiple air-bursts of artillery-fired white phosphorus over what appeared to be the Gaza City/Jabaliya area.

Dilbert_X wrote:

At this point I can't see what legitimate reason the Israelis would have for multiple airbursting of WP over civilian areas.
The smoke generation and target marking excuses are long gone.

Times Online.co.uk wrote:

The pale blue 155mm rounds are clearly marked with the designation M825A1, an American-made white phosphorus munition

GlobalSecurity.org wrote:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/m825.htm
M825 white phosphorus. The M825 WP projectile is an FA-delivered 155-mm base-ejection projectile designed to produce a smoke screen on the ground for a duration of 5 to 15 minutes. It consists of two major components--the projectile carrier and the payload. The projectile carrier delivers the payload to the target. The payload consists of 116 WP-saturated felt wedges. The smoke screen is produced when a predetermined fuze action causes ejection of the payload from the projectile. After ejection, the WP-saturated felt wedges in the payload fall to the ground in an elliptical pattern. Each wedge then becomes a point or source of smoke. The M825 is ballistically similar to the M483A1 (DPICM) family of projectiles.

The M825A1 White Phosphorus shell deploys 116 WP impregnated felt wedges that provide screening for about 5-10 minutes over a 125-250 meter area that obscures enemy vision or screens maneuvering elements. It deploys about 12.75 lbs of White Phosphorus impregnated felt wedges, and weighs about 102 lbs

RDX-fX wrote:

The picture linked earlier looked like a M825 that'd been detonated on the ground (after impact, or as an IED.. pick whichever one you prefer). Normally, you'd airburst a M825 smoke round to get maximum concealment from the smoke.  Groundburst.. not so effective.

Now, if that is in fact a M825 WP smoke round - they're 102 pound projectiles, air-burstable, designed to generate smoke for obscuration/concealment purposes.  They only contain about 13 pounds of actual WP (White Phosphorous) and are not the Viet Nam era "Willie Pete" mass-incendiary bombs.  They are smoke generators - not the mass-incendiary devices that most civilians would associate with "WP" or Napalm from watching too many Viet Nam movies.

If you're really curious about the various artillery munitions in the US (and by extension Israeli) arsenal, here's a few links to browse through;
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … ns/155.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … s/ammo.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … s/m825.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ … ons/wp.htm

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-01-12 05:22:41)

TheAussieReaper wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Perhaps launching unguided rockets into civilian areas with the intent to inflict as many civilian casualties as they can? -- oh, wait.. that's your side doing that.

Your side? He's been defending the Palestinian civilians. You know, the guys who are dying in the hundreds?

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Your side? He's been defending the Palestinian civilians. You know, the guys who are dying in the hundreds?

It is a sad tragedy in warfare that innocent civilians get in the way of bombings and may be used as human shields. I believe Israel should just destroy Hamas, good riddance tbh.

Don't know how you become a human shield during an air strike, but if you say so.

M.O.A.B wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

It is a sad tragedy in warfare that innocent civilians get in the way of bombings and may be used as human shields. I believe Israel should just destroy Hamas, good riddance tbh.

Don't know how you become a human shield during an air strike, but if you say so.

I think he's getting at the idea that Hamas intentionally congregates around civilian areas, apartments, shops etc. Therefore using civilians and their property to shield themselves from an Israeli retaliation.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Being used as a political war tragedy, that is what Hamas is aiming for, getting people to go omg israel is teh evils!!!!!! they genocides on us. Same shit Saddam did when he put civies in air raid shelter, this tactic is no different.

And yet Israel still believes an airstrike and tanks rolling through the streets is a good strategy. You'd think if they were concerned they'd do more than just drop leaflets. I mean, if you can see through this political war tragedy that has played so perfectly into the hands of Hamas, Israel would recognise it also?

But hey, I guess 800 civilian deaths is no reason to chance tact.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

The IDF already made tons of phone calls, sms messages and leaflets telling them to GTFO. What else you want them to do? Round up civvies and give them evac? Then people will go omg concentration camps.

Rather than rounded up the civilians, at the very least opening the borders for medical supplies to come in and civilians to come out would be ideal. But how long of a window is the border open? 3 hours. That's not long enough for any kind of real assistance to come in.

Telling them to gtfo might be admirable, if they had the opportunity to get out.

Last edited by Cybargs (2009-01-12 06:05:46)

ATG wrote:

I don't know the true motives of that jewish guy, but it smells like a counterview for a counterviews sake; aka media whoring.

An Israel Defense Forces reserves soldier, taking part in Israel's offensive in the Gaza Strip which entered its 17th day on Monday, has refused to enter the Hamas-ruled territory along with his unit in protest of the killing of Palestinian civilians.

On Monday it emerged that the soldier has been jailed for 14 days in a military facility. He was the first soldier to be tried for refusing orders since the beginning of the operation.

Attorney Michael Sfard, the legal adviser of Omets ? a non profit organization for judicial and social justice ? said that since the beginning of the Israeli offensive on December 27, eight reservists have sought his advice upon being drafted in the emergency reserves call-up.
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Of the eight reservists, three have refused to enter the Strip so far. Two of them arrived at agreements with their commanders exempting them from fighting with their units.