Poseidon is jumping to conclusions. I'm not sure if I'd want him working around ICBM's .
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lol, my mom doesn't like the idea either. Then again, she doesn't like the idea of me driving, so...Kmarion wrote:
Poseidon is jumping to conclusions. I'm not sure if I'd want him working around ICBM's .
I worked around ICBM's, and many of the people I worked with on those things were scary to say the least. Poseidon seems fairly stable compared to them actually. Scary thought isn't it.Kmarion wrote:
Poseidon is jumping to conclusions. I'm not sure if I'd want him working around ICBM's .
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Blah blah writing style.. pathetic .. (you've read soooo much over your years -you could distinguish Hemingway from Hawthorne).... I'm actually comforted a bit Obie lied you (and me) about his intentions during the election. No where as much "change" promised and was advertised. Tricked the simpletons (me being one too there).Poseidon wrote:
ROFLDBBrinson1 wrote:
Twas me. And I'd bet you on that kid.Poseidon wrote:
To whoever karma'd me: Yup, I sure will. Sarcasm failure @ you!.
I love how you tried to mask your writing style. Pretty pathetic. Still butthurt over the election, huh? So called "adults" on these forums sure love to act like little children.
Considering my recruiter has someone working with ICBMs from a high school near me and who has similar grades to me, and the fact that if I enlist I'd go for missile defense/missile systems/space systems/nuclear weapons, I'd say I'd atleast be working around it or be in the same field as it.
But if you wanna try and shoot me down just because you don't like that I'm an Obama fan, that's cool. Again - really shows a lot about you.
-really show a lot about you? Yea, it does.. I hate liars. There one that comes to mind who's lies were bought into by more than half of America. At least I had the good sense not to vote for him..... You voted for a differently packaged hillary. And still can't see the difference. O BAh ahaha ma! (sheep call).
Act like children? Because I called you on your BS 'IF I...' statement? Your recruiter will tell you whatever you want to hear. I won't . If I gave a shit about you, I'd tell you to get your MOS in WRITING from the recruiter.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
i worked near nukes. that helps your statement i think. lolLividBovine wrote:
I worked around ICBM's, and many of the people I worked with on those things were scary to say the least. Poseidon seems fairly stable compared to them actually. Scary thought isn't it.Kmarion wrote:
Poseidon is jumping to conclusions. I'm not sure if I'd want him working around ICBM's .
...Yep, still butthurt. Just as I predicted.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Blah blah writing style.. pathetic .. (you've read soooo much over your years -you could distinguish Hemingway from Hawthorne).... I'm actually comforted a bit Obie lied you (and me) about his intentions during the election. No where as much "change" promised and was advertised. Tricked the simpletons (me being one too there).Poseidon wrote:
ROFLDBBrinson1 wrote:
Twas me. And I'd bet you on that kid.
I love how you tried to mask your writing style. Pretty pathetic. Still butthurt over the election, huh? So called "adults" on these forums sure love to act like little children.
Considering my recruiter has someone working with ICBMs from a high school near me and who has similar grades to me, and the fact that if I enlist I'd go for missile defense/missile systems/space systems/nuclear weapons, I'd say I'd atleast be working around it or be in the same field as it.
But if you wanna try and shoot me down just because you don't like that I'm an Obama fan, that's cool. Again - really shows a lot about you.
-really show a lot about you? Yea, it does.. I hate liars. There one that comes to mind who's lies were bought into by more than half of America. At least I had the good sense not to vote for him..... You voted for a differently packaged hillary. And still can't see the difference. O BAh ahaha ma! (sheep call).
Act like children? Because I called you on your BS 'IF I...' statement? Your recruiter will tell you whatever you want to hear. I won't . If I gave a shit about you, I'd tell you to get your MOS in WRITING from the recruiter.
Yes, I HOPE TO work around a weapons system like this. I did not say I'm GOING TO, because there is no guarantee that no matter how hard that I work I'll be able to. Hence why I said "there's a good chance" and not "I'm going to".
Again, for someone who prides himself on being an adult, you certainly act like an immature child on these forums just because someone has an opposing political view.
Don't worry about the fact that I'm not even a liberal nor am I a democrat though. You can continue to ignore those facts as long as they kill your already asinine argument.
Stop flaming my thread you two.
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Butthurt? Yea... Who's the child?..Poseidon wrote:
...Yep, still butthurt. Just as I predicted.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Blah blah writing style.. pathetic .. (you've read soooo much over your years -you could distinguish Hemingway from Hawthorne).... I'm actually comforted a bit Obie lied you (and me) about his intentions during the election. No where as much "change" promised and was advertised. Tricked the simpletons (me being one too there).Poseidon wrote:
ROFL
I love how you tried to mask your writing style. Pretty pathetic. Still butthurt over the election, huh? So called "adults" on these forums sure love to act like little children.
Considering my recruiter has someone working with ICBMs from a high school near me and who has similar grades to me, and the fact that if I enlist I'd go for missile defense/missile systems/space systems/nuclear weapons, I'd say I'd atleast be working around it or be in the same field as it.
But if you wanna try and shoot me down just because you don't like that I'm an Obama fan, that's cool. Again - really shows a lot about you.
-really show a lot about you? Yea, it does.. I hate liars. There one that comes to mind who's lies were bought into by more than half of America. At least I had the good sense not to vote for him..... You voted for a differently packaged hillary. And still can't see the difference. O BAh ahaha ma! (sheep call).
Act like children? Because I called you on your BS 'IF I...' statement? Your recruiter will tell you whatever you want to hear. I won't . If I gave a shit about you, I'd tell you to get your MOS in WRITING from the recruiter.
Yes, I HOPE TO work around a weapons system like this. I did not say I'm GOING TO, because there is no guarantee that no matter how hard that I work I'll be able to. Hence why I said "there's a good chance" and not "I'm going to".
Again, for someone who prides himself on being an adult, you certainly act like an immature child on these forums just because someone has an opposing political view.
Don't worry about the fact that I'm not even a liberal nor am I a democrat though. You can continue to ignore those facts as long as they kill your already asinine argument.
Semantics. Look at me everybody! IF I.... Don't be a dip shit and join under false pretenses. Get it in writing. Shit, maybe you should hurry up and join so that the military can benefit from your infinite wisdom.
You aren't a dem? Ok I believe that about as much as I believe that you'll join the military too.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Roger, roger. Sorry.Kmarion wrote:
Stop flaming my thread you two.
Lockheed can do it. The question is will the new administration award the contract and appropriate the budget to do so.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
You think I haven't been studying like MAD to understand what I'm going to do? This is my LIFE. I've been looking into this for YEARS now.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Butthurt? Yea... Who's the child?..Poseidon wrote:
...Yep, still butthurt. Just as I predicted.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Blah blah writing style.. pathetic .. (you've read soooo much over your years -you could distinguish Hemingway from Hawthorne).... I'm actually comforted a bit Obie lied you (and me) about his intentions during the election. No where as much "change" promised and was advertised. Tricked the simpletons (me being one too there).
-really show a lot about you? Yea, it does.. I hate liars. There one that comes to mind who's lies were bought into by more than half of America. At least I had the good sense not to vote for him..... You voted for a differently packaged hillary. And still can't see the difference. O BAh ahaha ma! (sheep call).
Act like children? Because I called you on your BS 'IF I...' statement? Your recruiter will tell you whatever you want to hear. I won't . If I gave a shit about you, I'd tell you to get your MOS in WRITING from the recruiter.
Yes, I HOPE TO work around a weapons system like this. I did not say I'm GOING TO, because there is no guarantee that no matter how hard that I work I'll be able to. Hence why I said "there's a good chance" and not "I'm going to".
Again, for someone who prides himself on being an adult, you certainly act like an immature child on these forums just because someone has an opposing political view.
Don't worry about the fact that I'm not even a liberal nor am I a democrat though. You can continue to ignore those facts as long as they kill your already asinine argument.
Semantics. Look at me everybody! IF I.... Don't be a dip shit and join under false pretenses. Get it in writing. Shit, maybe you should hurry up and join so that the military can benefit from your infinite wisdom.
You aren't a dem? Ok I believe that about as much as I believe that you'll join the military too.
And no, I'm not a democrat. My favorite Senator is a Republican (Chuck Hagel), I'm for the Death Penalty and Gun Rights...I could go on. But again - believe what you want. And I'm sure you will.
You can continue to try and shoot me down - it's not going to work. In fact, it's people like you - the ignoramuses who think I can't do it - who inspire me even MORE to join the military.
Really, trying to shoot down someone (let alone a teenager) and trying to tell them that they won't be able to do something is absolutely pathetic and shows a LOT about your character.
Edit: As per Kmarion, I'm done. You've shown me the type of person you are.
Last edited by Poseidon (2008-12-11 21:09:50)
That is actually a good point regarding Alaska and Russia, however, the question still stands, does it have that capability? Its not going to take that long for a missile to cross that distance, in the meantime, the launch has to be detected, for which someone will have to activate the MKV, which then has to fire towards the incoming missile of the enemy and then take it out.Uzique wrote:
I think his point is that Cuba don't have the capability nowadays, what with the Soviet bloc being long-dead... not that he lacks understanding of modern history.SEREVENT wrote:
The Cuban Missile Crisis...blah wrote:
lol Cuba?
Ever heard of it? Sure it was the Soviets that put the missiles there, but who's to say someone else won't?
I would think they're designing the system for that sorta efficacy, Snake. I mean Russia->Alaska isn't such a great distance compared to Caribbean->Southern US city, no? They'd be insane to spend all that money on a system that lacked the capability.
Also, the MKV would have to travel a lot quicker than the opposing missile to catch it up in the first place.
I only said Cuba, because of the missile crisis and because it is relatively close to the US. In theory, you could use any nearby country or island, i.e. Mexico, Canada, etc.
Its not that I doubt it, I'm just intrigued as to whether it would work for relatively close-range attacks, or if they think that they are only going to be attacked from "long" range. To me, the practicalities of taking out missiles being launched from relatively close launching stations, bearing in mind the MKV has to come down from space-orbit, seems quite far-fetched (and I doubt they'd tell us its weakness anyway ).
Then again, with modern technology, it would be an awesome feat of engineering.
wouldn't blowing up a nuke in the atmosphere completely fuck over the entire world?
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
Don't think it turns them nuclear, otherwise there would be a lot of EMP disruption every time one was hit.haffeysucks wrote:
wouldn't blowing up a nuke in the atmosphere completely fuck over the entire world?
so this thing radar-guides its rockets? no prob, missiles and warheads are now equipped with radar jamming devices. oh, now those rockets have on-board infra-red guidance? no problem, the warheads are now equipped with infra-red countermeasures.
the point is: this whole ABM system idea is wrong from the very beginning. ballistic missiles with warheads and countermeasures they carry will always be much cheaper and easier to build. but, anyway - good luck starting another Cold War.
the point is: this whole ABM system idea is wrong from the very beginning. ballistic missiles with warheads and countermeasures they carry will always be much cheaper and easier to build. but, anyway - good luck starting another Cold War.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
"With tracking data from the Ballistic Missile Defense System and its own heat detecting sensor".. sounds like on the ground tracking. Less likely to be jammed. I'm sure they include some we haven't heard of as well.
By just getting into the vicinity they could us their own jamming capabilities (or emp's) ..they could shut down the incoming missiles all together. I doubt their capabilities will just be limited to direct interception. The possibilities are endless. Getting them up and operational was/is the hard part.
By just getting into the vicinity they could us their own jamming capabilities (or emp's) ..they could shut down the incoming missiles all together. I doubt their capabilities will just be limited to direct interception. The possibilities are endless. Getting them up and operational was/is the hard part.
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lol... Paranoia ?
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
Maybe a little paranoia could prevent your countries next occupation.Beduin wrote:
lol... Paranoia ?
/joke
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lol.. nice oneKmarion wrote:
Maybe a little paranoia could prevent your countries next occupation.Beduin wrote:
lol... Paranoia ?
/joke
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
well, without getting too technical and speaking only of russian missiles and warheads:Kmarion wrote:
"With tracking data from the Ballistic Missile Defense System and its own heat detecting sensor".. sounds like on the ground tracking. Less likely to be jammed. I'm sure they include some we haven't heard of as well.
By just getting into the vicinity they could us their own jamming capabilities (or emp's) ..they could shut down the incoming missiles all together. I doubt their capabilities will just be limited to direct interception. The possibilities are endless. Getting them up and operational was/is the hard part.
- they are still to this days made using good ol' devices that are mostly mechanical (that's why they are so large and bulky btw) and almost no semiconductor-based microelectronics - and thus are very resilient to any kind of electronic warfare. good luck emp-ing one of those.
- you aren't "jamming" them either - those things are completely standalone meanig they aren't guided at all. once the missile is out in space it uses the oldest and most reliable ways to set a pre-defined course - it orients itself using star maps as refference. then the missile and later warheads travel using only accelerometers and gyroscopes - so, basicaly, there's nothing to jam.
as i said, ballistic missiles are very simple and easy to build devices (compared to any ABM system out there anyway) yet very effective and reliable.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
I agree, the key hurdle has always been economic. I believe the article said "hordes of MKV's". Sending an army of seeker droids out to destroy an incoming threat is more economically feasible than any single interceptor missile. Albeit it still is far from being actually implemented.
The jamming involves disrupting those guidance systems that rely on those star patterns. Simply put, if it is electronic it can be manipulated by other systems. .. no matter how archaic the guidance system is.
This is just the beginning. No system will ever fully protect a country. But as I said before, by at least lessening the impact you will maintain a strategic advantage. No one could have ever predicted some of today's modern defense systems 50 years ago. That is because innovation prevailed in the face of what other called "flawed from the beginning."
The jamming involves disrupting those guidance systems that rely on those star patterns. Simply put, if it is electronic it can be manipulated by other systems. .. no matter how archaic the guidance system is.
This is just the beginning. No system will ever fully protect a country. But as I said before, by at least lessening the impact you will maintain a strategic advantage. No one could have ever predicted some of today's modern defense systems 50 years ago. That is because innovation prevailed in the face of what other called "flawed from the beginning."
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you know why those missiles called "ballistic", don't you? their "guidance systems" work for a minute or maybe two right after they leave the atmosphere. once the course is set they release the dummy targets they carry - iirc in case of SS-18 Satan, for example, that amounts for several hundreds pieces of space junk for any ABM system to play with - then their engines stop (goodby infra-red seeker devices) and inertia takes them to the re entry point. so, as i said, by the time any ABM stuff gets close there's nothing to jam.Kmarion wrote:
The jamming involves disrupting those guidance systems that rely on those star patterns. Simply put, if it is electronic it can be manipulated by other systems. .. no matter how archaic the guidance system is.
we already had a long and bloody argument over this with FEOS and my point still stands - ballistic missiles (large ICBM's that is) are only really vulnerable while in boost phase. once they have enough momentum to get out in space - good luck intercepting them.
flawed or not, i guess we all agree that we'd better of never seeing ABM system out there being used to intercept real ballistic missiles. let US continue their can shooting - i don't care as long as they keep a level head. this world is about to stop paying for US military toys anyway, so let them mess around while they still can - this only means that my friends working at russian military factories will keep their jobs.Kmarion wrote:
This is just the beginning. No system will ever fully protect a country. But as I said before, by at least lessening the impact you will maintain a strategic advantage. No one could have ever predicted some of today's modern defense systems 50 years ago. That is because innovation prevailed in the face of what other called "flawed from the beginning."
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
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