Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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During the campaign, some critics of Sarah Palin ridiculed her efforts to thin the wolf population by shooting them from helicopters, painting her as cruel and anti-nature. The Anchorage Daily News reports that the caribou population might dispute that.  Thanks to the limitation of the predators, the survival rate of young caribou has dramatically increased:

Slaughtering wolves on the Alaska Peninsula appears to have had the desired effect — more caribou got a chance to live, according to biologists with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

    As ugly and as politically incorrect as the wolf killing might seem to some, they said, the helicopter gunning that took place earlier this year saved caribou, especially young caribou, from being eaten alive.

    Fall surveys of the Southern Alaska Peninsula caribou herd completed in October found an average of 39 calves per 100 cows. That’s a dramatic improvement from fall counts of only 1 calf per 100 cows in 2006 and 2007.
The state wildlife board needed to take dramatic action on behalf of the caribou in the southern herd.  The population had dropped from 6,000 to 500.  Wolves and bears had wiped out the offspring for too long, and left alone, the herd would have disappeared altogether.

Unfortunately, critics didn’t bother to find out why Palin’s administration thinned the wolf population by the most efficient manner available to them.  Critics of responsible wildlife management seem to live in Cartoon World, where the wolf and the bear and the caribou all become best friends and have adventures together with the plucky little kid from the local village.  In fact, the wolf and the bear will eat the caribou until there are none left, and would have the plucky little kid for dessert if they could.

The biggest irony, of course, is that the critics of drilling in ANWR like to invoke the caribou as a reason to block extraction of the vast oil resources in the region.  The wolves present a far greater danger to caribou than drilling ever did, but I guess caribou are only valuable as a means to block drilling.
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SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6792|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
Gotta love the double sided knife.

Wolves were on the endangered list for too long, their population skyrocketed and they were wiping out their food supply. But I guess its better to let them wipe out the caribou, turn on domestic animals or slowly starve to death.


Oh and Kerry come on, she is a Republican and anything she does is evil incarnate, silly...

Last edited by SgtHeihn (2008-11-12 10:11:32)

Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
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Nature would have taken care of the predator/prey ratios all by itself.  This "resolution" was brought about by the fact that they mismanaged hunting of the herds.
CameronPoe
Member
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Isn't this kind of like a 'bailout' for Caribou with 'natural selection' replacing 'free markets'...?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Nature would have taken care of the predator/prey ratios all by itself.  This "resolution" was brought about by the fact that they mismanaged hunting of the herds.
Humans are a component of nature.. nature is taking care of it. *takes another hit*
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KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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I honestly didn't read anything criticizing her arial wolf hunting - not to say that it wasn't there (the criticism), but this story makes it seem like there was outcry all over, when I personally didn't see any.

So I guess this story is to prove all those critics wrong?  Great job HotAir!
ghettoperson
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I honestly didn't read anything criticizing her arial wolf hunting - not to say that it wasn't there (the criticism), but this story makes it seem like there was outcry all over, when I personally didn't see any.

So I guess this story is to prove all those critics wrong?  Great job HotAir!
Werd.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7047|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
I thought she wanted to legitimise hunting caribou from the air? I don't recall it involving keeping the wolf population down..
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I honestly didn't read anything criticizing her arial wolf hunting - not to say that it wasn't there (the criticism), but this story makes it seem like there was outcry all over, when I personally didn't see any.

So I guess this story is to prove all those critics wrong?  Great job HotAir!
I heard plenty. They were airing every hour on the radio. You probably didn't hear as much because you're cali and they didn't want to waste their money on you. California was obviously gay for Obby.


It's gj Alaska Department of Fish and Game you simpleton.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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IG-Calibre wrote:

I thought she wanted to legitimise hunting caribou from the air? I don't recall it involving keeping the wolf population down..
Probably because you were misinformed or never took the time to look.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6847|Texas - Bigger than France
Man, it's like we can't shoot anything anymore.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I honestly didn't read anything criticizing her arial wolf hunting - not to say that it wasn't there (the criticism), but this story makes it seem like there was outcry all over, when I personally didn't see any.

So I guess this story is to prove all those critics wrong?  Great job HotAir!
I heard plenty. They were airing every hour on the radio. You probably didn't hear as much because you're cali and they didn't want to waste their money on you. California was obviously gay for Obby.


It's gj Alaska Department of Fish and Game you simpleton.
Why not just say that and link to the Anchorage Daily News article (which said essentially that - good job)?  Instead a link to Hot Air as proof debunking the critics?

Call me a simpleton, fine, but there was an ulterior motive here (that I could see).

What did the radio ads say btw?  I'm curious.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-11-12 12:03:48)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I honestly didn't read anything criticizing her arial wolf hunting - not to say that it wasn't there (the criticism), but this story makes it seem like there was outcry all over, when I personally didn't see any.

So I guess this story is to prove all those critics wrong?  Great job HotAir!
I heard plenty. They were airing every hour on the radio. You probably didn't hear as much because you're cali and they didn't want to waste their money on you. California was obviously gay for Obby.


It's gj Alaska Department of Fish and Game you simpleton.
Why not just say that and link to the Anchorage Daily News article (which said essentially that - good job)?  Instead a link to Hot Air as proof debunking the critics?

Call me a simpleton, fine, but there was an ulterior motive here (that I could see).

What did the radio ads say btw?  I'm curious.
I was not citing hotair as proof. I was sourcing the article. The evidence was in The Anchorage Daily News (which cited the report). .. which I also sourced.

They said something along the lines of Sarah Palin being a blood thirsty animal hater. A slow extinction by painful starvation was perfectly acceptable for the the supposed champions of animal rights. The hilarity of it? It always aired during Glenn Becks radio show..lol.

I would think you've seen enough of my post to know that I was not serious with the simpleton remark. I was just jesting.
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mikkel
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Yet again, man has bested nature. Booya!
KEN-JENNINGS
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Or maybe man has taken another step to ensure coexistence with nature.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-11-12 12:24:14)

Agent_Dung_Bomb
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Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


I heard plenty. They were airing every hour on the radio. You probably didn't hear as much because you're cali and they didn't want to waste their money on you. California was obviously gay for Obby.


It's gj Alaska Department of Fish and Game you simpleton.
Why not just say that and link to the Anchorage Daily News article (which said essentially that - good job)?  Instead a link to Hot Air as proof debunking the critics?

Call me a simpleton, fine, but there was an ulterior motive here (that I could see).

What did the radio ads say btw?  I'm curious.
I was not citing hotair as proof. I was sourcing the article. The evidence was in The Anchorage Daily News (which cited the report). .. which I also sourced.

They said something along the lines of Sarah Palin being a blood thirsty animal hater. A slow extinction by painful starvation was perfectly acceptable for the the supposed champions of animal rights. The hilarity of it? It always aired during Glenn Becks radio show..lol.

I would think you've seen enough of my post to know that I was not serious with the simpleton remark. I was just jesting.
Starvation is how nature controls populations.  With their food source gone, the predators numbers would dwindle and the caribou populations would come back.

Part of the problem was their lack of hunting management.  Wolves will take the calves, but they also take the old and sick animals.  With trophy hunters taking the mature bulls, they essentially were taking what would become the older herd members, thus part of the herd that wolves would take.  And since it's the mature bulls that breed, you compound the issue by reducing the male breeding population.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6926|London, England
And the only reason they want more Caribou(s?) is because they want to hunt that more and use its nice fur and meat

Not that there's anything wrong with that (well, actually hunting for fur in the 21st century is abit sick), but there's always an ulterior motive.

---

Also, gee god darn, look how much Palin knows about things, gee, her and mccain, they really shoulda darn won that doodly presidential election
mikkel
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Or maybe man has taken another step to ensure coexistence with nature.
By killing it?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Why not just say that and link to the Anchorage Daily News article (which said essentially that - good job)?  Instead a link to Hot Air as proof debunking the critics?

Call me a simpleton, fine, but there was an ulterior motive here (that I could see).

What did the radio ads say btw?  I'm curious.
I was not citing hotair as proof. I was sourcing the article. The evidence was in The Anchorage Daily News (which cited the report). .. which I also sourced.

They said something along the lines of Sarah Palin being a blood thirsty animal hater. A slow extinction by painful starvation was perfectly acceptable for the the supposed champions of animal rights. The hilarity of it? It always aired during Glenn Becks radio show..lol.

I would think you've seen enough of my post to know that I was not serious with the simpleton remark. I was just jesting.
Starvation is how nature controls populations.  With their food source gone, the predators numbers would dwindle and the caribou populations would come back.

Part of the problem was their lack of hunting management.  Wolves will take the calves, but they also take the old and sick animals.  With trophy hunters taking the mature bulls, they essentially were taking what would become the older herd members, thus part of the herd that wolves would take.  And since it's the mature bulls that breed, you compound the issue by reducing the male breeding population.
It was beyond critical. Again, less than 20% survival rate among calves. Have you ever been to AK? There are rules currently in place that are designed to preserve the population. They can only hunt during certain times of the year (to protect mating). I'm pretty sure there are laws to protect the calves as well.
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Agent_Dung_Bomb
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Kmarion wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


I was not citing hotair as proof. I was sourcing the article. The evidence was in The Anchorage Daily News (which cited the report). .. which I also sourced.

They said something along the lines of Sarah Palin being a blood thirsty animal hater. A slow extinction by painful starvation was perfectly acceptable for the the supposed champions of animal rights. The hilarity of it? It always aired during Glenn Becks radio show..lol.

I would think you've seen enough of my post to know that I was not serious with the simpleton remark. I was just jesting.
Starvation is how nature controls populations.  With their food source gone, the predators numbers would dwindle and the caribou populations would come back.

Part of the problem was their lack of hunting management.  Wolves will take the calves, but they also take the old and sick animals.  With trophy hunters taking the mature bulls, they essentially were taking what would become the older herd members, thus part of the herd that wolves would take.  And since it's the mature bulls that breed, you compound the issue by reducing the male breeding population.
It was beyond critical. Again, less than 20% survival rate among calves. Have you ever been to AK? There are rules currently in place that are designed to preserve the population. They can only hunt during certain times of the year (to protect mating). I'm pretty sure there are laws to protect the calves as well.
No, I've never hunted Alaska.  All my hunting has been local, and something I've done for 25 years (deer & elk).  I've hunted with a bow as well as a rifle.  I'm very well aware that states that have large hunting populations have rules about when you can hunt, and with what you can hunt.  Unfortunately, most hunts actually occur from about late August to December, and that does include rutting season for these animals.

Keep in mind, much of what gets hunted in Alaska is for trophy hunters, and not for food.  These hunters are taking the biggest and strongest of the herd.  If they were hunting for meat the best choice is the 1-2 year old.  The meat is the best at that point and it's before they are old to begin mating.  That helps leave the herds in tact without having to artificially eradicate predator species because you only leave them with the calves.

I'm not saying that what they did wasn't necessary given the severity of the situation, but a large part of the problem was man made to begin with.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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I love it when people call hunters (and animal control specialists) evil for shooting creatures to curb their populations. It's a legitimate and often used tactic to make sure the ecosystem doesn't go to hell. Even my tree-hugging enviro science teacher acknowledges its effectiveness.
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CameronPoe
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When I grow up I want to go to Bovine University.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Starvation is how nature controls populations.  With their food source gone, the predators numbers would dwindle and the caribou populations would come back.

Part of the problem was their lack of hunting management.  Wolves will take the calves, but they also take the old and sick animals.  With trophy hunters taking the mature bulls, they essentially were taking what would become the older herd members, thus part of the herd that wolves would take.  And since it's the mature bulls that breed, you compound the issue by reducing the male breeding population.
It was beyond critical. Again, less than 20% survival rate among calves. Have you ever been to AK? There are rules currently in place that are designed to preserve the population. They can only hunt during certain times of the year (to protect mating). I'm pretty sure there are laws to protect the calves as well.
No, I've never hunted Alaska.  All my hunting has been local, and something I've done for 25 years (deer & elk).  I've hunted with a bow as well as a rifle.  I'm very well aware that states that have large hunting populations have rules about when you can hunt, and with what you can hunt.  Unfortunately, most hunts actually occur from about late August to December, and that does include rutting season for these animals.

Keep in mind, much of what gets hunted in Alaska is for trophy hunters, and not for food.  These hunters are taking the biggest and strongest of the herd.  If they were hunting for meat the best choice is the 1-2 year old.  The meat is the best at that point and it's before they are old to begin mating.  That helps leave the herds in tact without having to artificially eradicate predator species because you only leave them with the calves.

I'm not saying that what they did wasn't necessary given the severity of the situation, but a large part of the problem was man made to begin with.
Of course that hurts as well. Hurts more than an out of control wolf population? Not from what I've seen.
Fall surveys of the Southern Alaska Peninsula caribou herd completed in October found an average of 39 calves per 100 cows. That's a dramatic improvement from fall counts of only 1 calf per 100 cows in 2006 and 2007.
They needed to do something drastic. That is my only point.
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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7011|67.222.138.85
Pretty epic spin on the article, but it would have been ever so interesting to see people reply to this if it came in during the election season. If you didn't hear people talking about this/poking fun at her for this, you are either deaf and blind by nature or choice.
wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
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I think someone is in love.

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