I ignore irrelevant differences. Obama's skin color has no bearing on his ability to be POTUS.Kmarion wrote:
Why do you think you have to ignore something in order to move beyond the bigotry that is associated with it? You can still be different without treating someone as less of a man. Ignoring obvious differences all together is insulting. That is not how you go about accepting diversity.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
1) proveitRoc18 wrote:
The only ones that say that are the ignorant people, you seriously think celebrating the first black president elected to the highest seat of power in the most powerful country in the world should be downplayed?
2) I thought we were past this. It should be ignored.
But the fact that Obama was elected over a white war hero means people looked at him as individual and didnt say that "he couldnt do so and so" because he was black.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
and Obama is no reflection on you because of your shared skin color race.Roc18 wrote:
Hmm try speaking for yourself. These circles in the black "community" don't represent what I say about white people.usmarine wrote:
yes but you know as well as i do, that is looked down upon in a lot of circles in the black community. i have heard it myself as i am sure you have.
People are individuals. When the nation understands this, that is when racism will be dead.
I think Bob Marley summed it up best when he saidFlaming_Maniac wrote:
and Obama is no reflection on you because of your shared skin color race.Roc18 wrote:
Hmm try speaking for yourself. These circles in the black "community" don't represent what I say about white people.usmarine wrote:
yes but you know as well as i do, that is looked down upon in a lot of circles in the black community. i have heard it myself as i am sure you have.
People are individuals. When the nation understands this, that is when racism will be dead.
" Until the colour of a man's skin Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes Me say war!!"
Race is the issue here. I should have spelled it out more clearly for you. I thought since the topic was about Obama's race, (something that you are soooo tired of hearing about), you would have understood that. It's going to take a big list to establish the "status quo".Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Did you forget something? What are you saying?Kmarion wrote:
Taking pride in taking steps to move past racisim is just shy of lynching .. weak. I'm not saying he beat him because he was black. I'm saying.. and oh yea, it's also pretty cool that the people of this country can look beyond color.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Well I must admit I am pretty damn special.
Playing it up is possibly the most racist thing to do at the moment short of a lynching. Are black people inferior somehow? Do they not make speeches as well as white people? Do they have better economic plans than white people?
Obama won because Obama bested McCain. Blacks did not "beat" whites for once, Obama beat McCain.
I'm waiting for you to list all of the other modern democracy's that have elected minorities to lead their country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_Germany
Right off the top of my head. If Hillary won you would be able to see the bra bonfires from space.
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You said the fact that we are even talking about it makes us racist (almost to the point of lynching). This is obviously a unique event for us. Again, I didn't say it was the reason.. but it's pretty damn cool considering the historical context of this event.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I ignore irrelevant differences. Obama's skin color has no bearing on his ability to be POTUS.Kmarion wrote:
Why do you think you have to ignore something in order to move beyond the bigotry that is associated with it? You can still be different without treating someone as less of a man. Ignoring obvious differences all together is insulting. That is not how you go about accepting diversity.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
1) proveit
2) I thought we were past this. It should be ignored.
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No, it means people took the black guy over the white guy. You can't say he was looked at solely as an individual if his race was ever mentioned at all.Roc18 wrote:
But the fact that Obama was elected over a white war hero means people looked at him as individual and didnt say that "he couldnt do so and so" because he was black.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
and Obama is no reflection on you because of your shared skin color race.Roc18 wrote:
Hmm try speaking for yourself. These circles in the black "community" don't represent what I say about white people.usmarine wrote:
yes but you know as well as i do, that is looked down upon in a lot of circles in the black community. i have heard it myself as i am sure you have.
People are individuals. When the nation understands this, that is when racism will be dead.
I thought progressiveness was the issue here. I would be saying the same thing if someone made a topic about how the glass ceiling has been destroyed in politics if Hillary won.Kmarion wrote:
Race is the issue here. I should have spelled it out more clearly for you. I thought since the topic was about Obama's race, (something that you are soooo tired of hearing about), you would have understood that. It's going to take a big list to establish the "status quo".Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Did you forget something? What are you saying?Kmarion wrote:
Taking pride in taking steps to move past racisim is just shy of lynching .. weak. I'm not saying he beat him because he was black. I'm saying.. and oh yea, it's also pretty cool that the people of this country can look beyond color.
I'm waiting for you to list all of the other modern democracy's that have elected minorities to lead their country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_Germany
Right off the top of my head. If Hillary won you would be able to see the bra bonfires from space.
The status quo is equality, it shouldn't be hard to understand that as an American. We haven't always practiced what we preached, but we have been preaching it for quite a while.
Cool like getting a new breed of monkey in the zoo? There should be no spectacle.Kmarion wrote:
You said the fact that we are even talking about it makes us racist (almost to the point of lynching). This is obviously a unique event for us. Again, I didn't say it was the reason.. but it's pretty damn cool considering the historical context of this event.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I ignore irrelevant differences. Obama's skin color has no bearing on his ability to be POTUS.Kmarion wrote:
Why do you think you have to ignore something in order to move beyond the bigotry that is associated with it? You can still be different without treating someone as less of a man. Ignoring obvious differences all together is insulting. That is not how you go about accepting diversity.
Now you are the one making race the issue. When people acknowledge the fact that race is no longer an issue and Obama was looked at as an individual, you say the fact that they acknowledged race makes race an issue still and that's ridiculous.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
No, it means people took the black guy over the white guy. You can't say he was looked at solely as an individual if his race was ever mentioned at all.Roc18 wrote:
But the fact that Obama was elected over a white war hero means people looked at him as individual and didnt say that "he couldnt do so and so" because he was black.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
and Obama is no reflection on you because of your shared skin color race.
People are individuals. When the nation understands this, that is when racism will be dead.
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Good for you. It would still be something to recognize. We have been preaching for awhile, and there has always been naysayers. Those who said it would never happen. There were some saying it a year ago in this very forum. Guess what? That argument is dead.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I thought progressiveness was the issue here. I would be saying the same thing if someone made a topic about how the glass ceiling has been destroyed in politics if Hillary won.
The status quo is equality, it shouldn't be hard to understand that as an American. We haven't always practiced what we preached, but we have been preaching it for quite a while.
Spectacle? lmao.. you're on fire tonight. You've got a demented view of recognition (for the country).Cool like getting a new breed of monkey in the zoo? There should be no spectacle.
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Liberia has a black, female presidentFlaming_Maniac wrote:
and Obama is no reflection on you because of your shared skin color race.Roc18 wrote:
Hmm try speaking for yourself. These circles in the black "community" don't represent what I say about white people.usmarine wrote:
yes but you know as well as i do, that is looked down upon in a lot of circles in the black community. i have heard it myself as i am sure you have.
People are individuals. When the nation understands this, that is when racism will be dead.Black presidents: 1/44God Save the Queen wrote:
I thought women were the majority population.
Female presidents: 0/44
Even more appalling, considering the ratios of females:total population and blacks:total population.
How long did it take you to find that?.. it being the status quo and such.God Save the Queen wrote:
Liberia has a black, female presidentFlaming_Maniac wrote:
and Obama is no reflection on you because of your shared skin color race.Roc18 wrote:
Hmm try speaking for yourself. These circles in the black "community" don't represent what I say about white people.
People are individuals. When the nation understands this, that is when racism will be dead.Black presidents: 1/44God Save the Queen wrote:
I thought women were the majority population.
Female presidents: 0/44
Even more appalling, considering the ratios of females:total population and blacks:total population.
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interestingly enough i think its the first female head of state in the entire continent of africa, at least sub saharan.
but there have been more female heads of state than minority heads of state, I believe.
Latin America has had a handful. Europe. Asia.
but there have been more female heads of state than minority heads of state, I believe.
Latin America has had a handful. Europe. Asia.
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You clearly haven't been following my logic this whole time then, because that's my whole point. Racism will be dead when we don't make a big deal about it, for better or for worse.Roc18 wrote:
Now you are the one making race the issue. When people acknowledge the fact that race is no longer an issue and Obama was looked at as an individual, you say the fact that they acknowledged race makes race an issue still and that's ridiculous.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
No, it means people took the black guy over the white guy. You can't say he was looked at solely as an individual if his race was ever mentioned at all.Roc18 wrote:
But the fact that Obama was elected over a white war hero means people looked at him as individual and didnt say that "he couldnt do so and so" because he was black.
Again, it means that we picked a black man over a white man. Some people thought that the white man would win because he is white, but as race was obviously an issue for many voters on both sides racism is anything but dead in politics. Example, do you know how tall Obama is? Do you care? Why do you care about other physical aspects? What if we elect the fattest President ever in 2012, will there be a thread for that?Kmarion wrote:
Good for you. It would still be something to recognize. We have been preaching for awhile, and there has always been naysayers. Those who said it would never happen. There were some saying it a year ago in this very forum. Guess what? That argument is dead.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I thought progressiveness was the issue here. I would be saying the same thing if someone made a topic about how the glass ceiling has been destroyed in politics if Hillary won.
The status quo is equality, it shouldn't be hard to understand that as an American. We haven't always practiced what we preached, but we have been preaching it for quite a while.Spectacle? lmao.. your on fire tonight. You've got a demented view of recognition (for the country).Cool like getting a new breed of monkey in the zoo? There should be no spectacle.
You have a naive one. Care to explain why we have a thread about the ethnicity of the President Elect, if not for the spectacle?
I was thinking.. is black really the minority race in Liberia? ..lolGod Save the Queen wrote:
interestingly enough i think its the first female head of state in the entire continent of africa, at least sub saharan.
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Racism cant die, people are entitled to their own opinions whether good or bad thats the kind of country and world we live in.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
You clearly haven't been following my logic this whole time then, because that's my whole point. Racism will be dead when we don't make a big deal about it, for better or for worse.Roc18 wrote:
Now you are the one making race the issue. When people acknowledge the fact that race is no longer an issue and Obama was looked at as an individual, you say the fact that they acknowledged race makes race an issue still and that's ridiculous.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
No, it means people took the black guy over the white guy. You can't say he was looked at solely as an individual if his race was ever mentioned at all.
The fact Barack Obama was elected shows that our country can look past the race issue and elect whoever is capable.
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We've never denied rights to tall people. We've never denied universal suffrage to fat people. You are looking soley at Obama and talking as if he himself is a spectacle. I am talking about the masses. I am talking about the country as a whole. Where we are and where we were is notable. I've told you over and over that this isn't the reason I feel he was elected. You just don't get that though. You think one is conditional to the other. It seems that you are incapable of understanding two separate points.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Again, it means that we picked a black man over a white man. Some people thought that the white man would win because he is white, but as race was obviously an issue for many voters on both sides racism is anything but dead in politics. Example, do you know how tall Obama is? Do you care? Why do you care about other physical aspects? What if we elect the fattest President ever in 2012, will there be a thread for that?
You have a naive one. Care to explain why we have a thread about the ethnicity of the President Elect, if not for the spectacle?
And yes, I'm sure if we elected a really fat guy there will be a thread about it.
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It doesn't matter why he was elected, why do we care about his skin even after voting for him because of his policy?Kmarion wrote:
We've never denied rights to tall people. We've never denied universal suffrage to fat people. You are looking soley at Obama and talking as if he himself is a spectacle. I am talking about the masses. I am talking about the country as a whole. Where we are and where we were is notable. I've told you over and over that this isn't the reason I feel he was elected. You just don't get that though. You think one is conditional to the other. It seems that you are incapable of understanding two separate points.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Again, it means that we picked a black man over a white man. Some people thought that the white man would win because he is white, but as race was obviously an issue for many voters on both sides racism is anything but dead in politics. Example, do you know how tall Obama is? Do you care? Why do you care about other physical aspects? What if we elect the fattest President ever in 2012, will there be a thread for that?
You have a naive one. Care to explain why we have a thread about the ethnicity of the President Elect, if not for the spectacle?
And yes, I'm sure if we elected a really fat guy there will be a thread about it.
You can't keep racism alive by dwelling on the past. We did bad things, we have largely owned up to those bad things, we teach those bad things we did in school, and those bad things should stay in the history books. It doesn't mean we need to keep writing about race in those history books.
Possibly. All it means is we can elect a black person. The only way to know if we voted on the right person for the right reasons is if we knew who the better candidate was.Roc18 wrote:
Racism cant die, people are entitled to their own opinions whether good or bad thats the kind of country and world we live in.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
You clearly haven't been following my logic this whole time then, because that's my whole point. Racism will be dead when we don't make a big deal about it, for better or for worse.Roc18 wrote:
Now you are the one making race the issue. When people acknowledge the fact that race is no longer an issue and Obama was looked at as an individual, you say the fact that they acknowledged race makes race an issue still and that's ridiculous.
The fact Barack Obama was elected shows that our country can look past the race issue and elect whoever is capable.
So you don't think it's important to recognize your previous failures? Repeating the same mistakes is the problem. Acknowledging them is an important step towards understanding. It only reminds us of where we came from and how we got here. That is a purpose of history books. Pretending like something never existed is not very realistic.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
It doesn't matter why he was elected, why do we care about his skin even after voting for him because of his policy?Kmarion wrote:
We've never denied rights to tall people. We've never denied universal suffrage to fat people. You are looking soley at Obama and talking as if he himself is a spectacle. I am talking about the masses. I am talking about the country as a whole. Where we are and where we were is notable. I've told you over and over that this isn't the reason I feel he was elected. You just don't get that though. You think one is conditional to the other. It seems that you are incapable of understanding two separate points.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Again, it means that we picked a black man over a white man. Some people thought that the white man would win because he is white, but as race was obviously an issue for many voters on both sides racism is anything but dead in politics. Example, do you know how tall Obama is? Do you care? Why do you care about other physical aspects? What if we elect the fattest President ever in 2012, will there be a thread for that?
You have a naive one. Care to explain why we have a thread about the ethnicity of the President Elect, if not for the spectacle?
And yes, I'm sure if we elected a really fat guy there will be a thread about it.
You can't keep racism alive by dwelling on the past. We did bad things, we have largely owned up to those bad things, we teach those bad things we did in school, and those bad things should stay in the history books. It doesn't mean we need to keep writing about race in those history books.
You are still focused on Obama the individual. I am talking about the generations of Americans who have seen and been through much more than you. They are the ones who have had a fundamental shift. You .. ntsomuch.
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Yeah, recognize. Not repeat by overcompensation.Kmarion wrote:
So you don't think it's important to recognize your previous failures? Repeating the same mistakes is the problem. Acknowledging them is an important step towards understanding. It only reminds us of where we came from and how we got here. That is a purpose of history books. Pretending like something never existed is not very realistic.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
It doesn't matter why he was elected, why do we care about his skin even after voting for him because of his policy?Kmarion wrote:
We've never denied rights to tall people. We've never denied universal suffrage to fat people. You are looking soley at Obama and talking as if he himself is a spectacle. I am talking about the masses. I am talking about the country as a whole. Where we are and where we were is notable. I've told you over and over that this isn't the reason I feel he was elected. You just don't get that though. You think one is conditional to the other. It seems that you are incapable of understanding two separate points.
And yes, I'm sure if we elected a really fat guy there will be a thread about it.
You can't keep racism alive by dwelling on the past. We did bad things, we have largely owned up to those bad things, we teach those bad things we did in school, and those bad things should stay in the history books. It doesn't mean we need to keep writing about race in those history books.
You are still focused on Obama the individual. I am talking about the generations of Americans who have seen and been through much more than you. They are the ones who have had a fundamental shift. You .. ntsomuch.
Fundamental shift my ass. A new generation with reasonable perceptions perhaps, but my grandmother is still as racist as ever. If you think the racists of the 50s and 60s voted for Obama, you've seen too many Disney movies.
Right, racism is dead because white people voted for a black man.
But when all the Latinos and blacks vote for Obama instead of McCain simply because he's black.... wait what is this called again? It's certainly not racism, black people CANT BE RACIST. Seriously guys, xyz years of opression means they can't ever be racist.
But when all the Latinos and blacks vote for Obama instead of McCain simply because he's black.... wait what is this called again? It's certainly not racism, black people CANT BE RACIST. Seriously guys, xyz years of opression means they can't ever be racist.
Stocks in white sheets and scissors have just gone through the roof since Obama's election according to the Mississippi Business post
I'll leave the Disney movies to you. Yes I do think they voted on merits other than skin color. Senior citizens are the most active demographic among voters. They show up to man the polls ffs. You don't get result like that without getting their votes as well. Are there some like your racist grandmother? Sure. Are they dominating our democracy? No. The younger population is less willing to accept those racist ideas. Traditionally they were passed down from generation to generation. That is also part of the shift.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Yeah, recognize. Not repeat by overcompensation.Kmarion wrote:
So you don't think it's important to recognize your previous failures? Repeating the same mistakes is the problem. Acknowledging them is an important step towards understanding. It only reminds us of where we came from and how we got here. That is a purpose of history books. Pretending like something never existed is not very realistic.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
It doesn't matter why he was elected, why do we care about his skin even after voting for him because of his policy?
You can't keep racism alive by dwelling on the past. We did bad things, we have largely owned up to those bad things, we teach those bad things we did in school, and those bad things should stay in the history books. It doesn't mean we need to keep writing about race in those history books.
You are still focused on Obama the individual. I am talking about the generations of Americans who have seen and been through much more than you. They are the ones who have had a fundamental shift. You .. ntsomuch.
Fundamental shift my ass. A new generation with reasonable perceptions perhaps, but my grandmother is still as racist as ever. If you think the racists of the 50s and 60s voted for Obama, you've seen too many Disney movies.
All I ever said was recognize.
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i hate white sheets...a bitch to keep clean.Braddock wrote:
Stocks in white sheets and scissors have just gone through the roof since Obama's election according to the Mississippi Business post
America, Our Nation is Under Judgement from God!Braddock wrote:
Stocks in white sheets and scissors have just gone through the roof since Obama's election according to the Mississippi Business post
It has happened! Yes, it is just as we expected and have suggested for months. Obama has become the first mulatto president of the United States. I know that you have been hearing that Obama would be the first black president. However, you and I both know this is not true. Obama is only half black. Not only is he only half black - he was not raised in a black environment. He was raised by his single mother, because his black father did what is so common with black men that there are jokes about it. His father abandoned him and his mother and Obama only saw his black African father one time when he was 10 years old. The photo at the right shows Obama with his African father.
Is the election of Obama shocking to us? Not at all! We have been telling our people that unless white people begin sticking together this is exactly what would happen. So, for it to now become a historical fact is of no surprise nor did it blind side us.
The ones who will be shocked and blind sided are those who will one day be awakened to what they have done!
But those of you who are are now awakened - this is your opportunity to begin the process of sticking together.
The president elect now stands as a symbol to our people throughout this nation that change is indeed coming. What will it mean for those who are being disenfranchised from the very nation purchased by the blood of their forefathers? It could mean an awakening of our spirit and blood. Every time the television shows an image of Obama it will be a reminder that our people have lost power in this country. We actually lost that power 40 years ago, but with a white president people would go to sleep thinking at least white people were still running things. Now there is no reason to believe this. The betrayal will stare them in the face each time they watch the news and see little black children playing in the rose garden.
Are we angry that 96% of blacks voted for Obama? Not at all! They voted what they felt would serve their best interest. They voted for Obama because he is one of them. But white people who foolishly rejected the future security of their children only heard the sound of the piper.
So we have to admit that this may be the best thing that has happened to us. It perhaps comes as a wake-up call to the sleeping giant deep in the heart of our people.
So don’t despair! Don’t be discouraged! We have been saying this would happen. We have said that there is a growing subtle hatred for our people. This has not been a battle between Republicans or Democrats. This was not a battle between liberals and conservatives. This is a race war - a culture war - being waged against white people. As more and more non-whites come into this country the hatred for the founding people will grow.
The Bible says, "When my judgments are in the land the inhabitants of the earth will learn righteousness."
If you think it is time for white people to start sticking together. If you want to do something to help provide a future for you children then you need to become part of a movement working for our people. We are not asking you to hate anyone! We are not asking you to commit an illegal act. We are not asking you to hurt anyone. We just want you to love your people and do that which your forefathers did - give your children a bright future.
White young people who are celebrating Obama's victory, stop and consider you may not agree with us but you have to admit we were right about one thing. We have said that there is the calculated design to get into the minds of young people and turn them away from loving our people. Every time you reject your white heritage you prove once again we were right.
I ask you, What is so bad about loving your people? Black people are proud to love their people, why aren't you?
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i hate white sheets...a bitch to keep clean.Braddock wrote:
Stocks in white sheets and scissors have just gone through the roof since Obama's election according to the Mississippi Business post
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hahaha he sure does stand out but like some people said he is half white not 100% black wonder how its gonna be when we get black president that looks like this:Roc18 wrote:
Wow really?usmarine wrote:
but he is half white also.
FM, this deserves some recognition.
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