Last edited by Pierre (2008-10-09 02:47:04)
Um Temporary Sterilization while on welfare would be like providing birth control -not rounding them up and gassing them like Braddcok mocked. How would that make Harmor a Nazi?Pierre wrote:
/facepalm
Reading about the attrocities in the German concentrationcamps often made me wonder how on earth someone would be able to be guard or executioner in these camps. How low do you have to be as a human being to treat other human beings like that.
Reading the OP and even several other posts made me understand that there is not much difference, and it can easily happen again.
Harmor, you're sick. Really, look for help. Considering such thoughts and suggesting them on an internet forum are only the beginning, this guy probably started that way too.
LOL 'Temporary Sterilization while on welfare is providing birth control' - sounds like something Goebbels would be proud of. Double speak ftw. Eight years of Bush really gets to people.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Um Temporary Sterilization while on welfare would be like providing birth control -not rounding them up and gassing them like Braddcok mocked. How would that make Harmor a Nazi?Pierre wrote:
/facepalm
Reading about the attrocities in the German concentrationcamps often made me wonder how on earth someone would be able to be guard or executioner in these camps. How low do you have to be as a human being to treat other human beings like that.
Reading the OP and even several other posts made me understand that there is not much difference, and it can easily happen again.
Harmor, you're sick. Really, look for help. Considering such thoughts and suggesting them on an internet forum are only the beginning, this guy probably started that way too.
Your argument Ad Hominem and a slipperly slope. Both invalid.
I know what you mean. In my country we also have 'generations on welfare', 3 and even 4 generations who have never worked in their life. But when people - even a tiny minority in this case - are abusing the system, you change the rules so they no longer are able to abuse it. Let them do community work or whatever, cut their welfare if you must, but never dehumanise them.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Not everyone on welfare is abusing the system, but there are enough that do abuse the system to make people want to take steps to stop the abuse. It isn't uncommon for those that abuse the system to have another child if they think they are in danger of their benefits running out. It isn't uncommon for these single mothers to have several children, all with different fathers. Having another child was just a means to an end. They don't look for work, and don't see welfare as a means of stabilizing their lives while they get back on their feet. To them welfare is a way of life. The problem is that these children grow up in this environment and think that is just how it's done. The girls get pregnant very young and apply for welfare because that's what mom/dad did when they were that age. It's creating ongoing generations of people that live this way, and it has to stop.
I'm not against the welfare program for those that use it properly. I am against those that feel ENTITLED to that money and think it's a way of life.
And make no mistake about it. Children ARE NOTE a right, they are a responsibility, and having children to keep your welfare benefits from running out is not fair to the children, and it isn't fair to people that have to punch a alarm/time clock every day to make a living!
And they aren't dehumanizing their children? They didn't want these kids, they wanted to keep their welfare. Now you tell me which is worse?Pierre wrote:
I know what you mean. In my country we also have 'generations on welfare', 3 and even 4 generations who have never worked in their life. But when people - even a tiny minority in this case - are abusing the system, you change the rules so they no longer are able to abuse it. Let them do community work or whatever, cut their welfare if you must, but never dehumanise them.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Not everyone on welfare is abusing the system, but there are enough that do abuse the system to make people want to take steps to stop the abuse. It isn't uncommon for those that abuse the system to have another child if they think they are in danger of their benefits running out. It isn't uncommon for these single mothers to have several children, all with different fathers. Having another child was just a means to an end. They don't look for work, and don't see welfare as a means of stabilizing their lives while they get back on their feet. To them welfare is a way of life. The problem is that these children grow up in this environment and think that is just how it's done. The girls get pregnant very young and apply for welfare because that's what mom/dad did when they were that age. It's creating ongoing generations of people that live this way, and it has to stop.
I'm not against the welfare program for those that use it properly. I am against those that feel ENTITLED to that money and think it's a way of life.
And make no mistake about it. Children ARE NOTE a right, they are a responsibility, and having children to keep your welfare benefits from running out is not fair to the children, and it isn't fair to people that have to punch a alarm/time clock every day to make a living!
How can you tell they didn't want the kids but had them to stay on welfare?Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
And they aren't dehumanizing their children? They didn't want these kids, they wanted to keep their welfare. Now you tell me which is worse?
It is in some places (oddly enough, those places that receive the most welfare)m3thod wrote:
You would think the nazi party is alive and kicking with these sort of threads.
I'm not talking about killing them, or permanent sterilization so they couldn't ever had kids. However, when some one lives their life collecting a check and sitting on their ass, not even attempting to get a job, then they shouldn't be going about life like nothing is wrong. Benefits running out? Oh, get knocked up and poop out another kid to extend them. Want to garnish wages or welfare income from father? Yeah, good luck figuring out who it is.m3thod wrote:
You would think the nazi party is alive and kicking with these sort of threads.
I bet you don't even work. You obviously have no idea where your taxes go (if you pay any).lilbaily2 wrote:
97% of people who work have to take a drug test to work and make money, and pay taxes. Noone on welfare has to take a drug test and they still collect a paycheck. I say drug test them before they get my hard earned paycheck
We (U.S.A.) actually had a decent eugenics movement in the early 20th century. That along with frontal lobotomies went the way of the dodo, which coincidentally is also what the people that advocate this type of stuff are.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea. I'm off that bandwagon... We'd be like Canada then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-10-09 17:35:10)
It's definite control by the government -but only if it is MANDATED. However, one must apply for welfare. It isn't some magic list you are automatically placed on with rights guaranteed. One must show initiative.. Hence fiscal responsibility. Kids=money. no/no new money=no more kids. That equals no more expenses/burdens on an all ready struggling family. Would you accept an option for a little check box on the application that would entitle HE/SHE to more money if HE/SHE CHOOSES birth control... Fuck I'm against abortion, but I'm all for stopping unwanted pregnancies. It's called family planning. If the individual is willing to let SOMEONE ELSE take care of HIM/HER (foot his/her EXISTENCE) then that individual has no claim of competency for fostering a child, let alone ANOTHER child. You're logical. You should get this.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
We (U.S.A.) actually had a decent eugenics movement in the early 20th century. That along with frontal lobotomies went the way of the dodo, which coincidentally is also what the people that advocate this type of stuff are.
TBH I work 12 hour days, 6 days a week on a swing shift....and I manage to go to my drill once a month, so dont say shit about working until you get your facts straight. You probably work at a McDonalds so stay out of this conversation. Next time you try and post something useful get your facts straight.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I bet you don't even work. You obviously have no idea where your taxes go (if you pay any).lilbaily2 wrote:
97% of people who work have to take a drug test to work and make money, and pay taxes. Noone on welfare has to take a drug test and they still collect a paycheck. I say drug test them before they get my hard earned paycheckWe (U.S.A.) actually had a decent eugenics movement in the early 20th century. That along with frontal lobotomies went the way of the dodo, which coincidentally is also what the people that advocate this type of stuff are.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea. I'm off that bandwagon... We'd be like Canada then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization
Facts - like saying 97% of people who work have to take a drug test?lilbaily2 wrote:
TBH I work 12 hour days, 6 days a week on a swing shift....and I manage to go to my drill once a month, so dont say shit about working until you get your facts straight. You probably work at a McDonalds so stay out of this conversation. Next time you try and post something useful get your facts straight.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I bet you don't even work. You obviously have no idea where your taxes go (if you pay any).lilbaily2 wrote:
97% of people who work have to take a drug test to work and make money, and pay taxes. Noone on welfare has to take a drug test and they still collect a paycheck. I say drug test them before they get my hard earned paycheckWe (U.S.A.) actually had a decent eugenics movement in the early 20th century. That along with frontal lobotomies went the way of the dodo, which coincidentally is also what the people that advocate this type of stuff are.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea. I'm off that bandwagon... We'd be like Canada then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-10-10 11:01:59)
Where are the BNP most prominent? The doll dossers ghetto's.m3thod wrote:
You would think the nazi party is alive and kicking with these sort of threads.
What the hell are you on? Maybe they are far right where you are, but it's the exact opposite in the states.jord wrote:
Where are the BNP most prominent? The doll dossers ghetto's.m3thod wrote:
You would think the nazi party is alive and kicking with these sort of threads.
People on welfare are usually the ones that go faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right and vote for the most Nazi-like party they can.
DBBrinson1 wrote:
What the hell are you on? Maybe they are far right where you are, but it's the exact opposite in the states.jord wrote:
Where are the BNP most prominent? The doll dossers ghetto's.m3thod wrote:
You would think the nazi party is alive and kicking with these sort of threads.
People on welfare are usually the ones that go faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right and vote for the most Nazi-like party they can.
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-10-10 11:39:56)
Nice undercut. However the map it shows a majority vote when a minority is actually what is to be examined. Your apples to oranges. Realistically, I have a hunch people on welfare don't care about much about politics (in survival mode) let alone nazi right wing shit.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
http://i38.tinypic.com/r7mb8h.jpgDBBrinson1 wrote:
What the hell are you on? Maybe they are far right where you are, but it's the exact opposite in the states.jord wrote:
Where are the BNP most prominent? The doll dossers ghetto's.
People on welfare are usually the ones that go faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar right and vote for the most Nazi-like party they can.
http://i35.tinypic.com/jrfyj8.jpg
I could probably find another set for each state if you want more in depth pictures.
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