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Braddock wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Significant numbers? What percentage of the Muslim world are both extremist and militant?

27%

Nice figure... any source?

89% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Braddock wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Significant numbers? What percentage of the Muslim world are both extremist and militant?

27%

Nice figure... any source?

article:

After the British terrorist attacks on 7/7 the Telegraph did a poll on British Muslims and this is what they found:

"Six percent of those surveyed said they considered the terrorist attacks on London justified.  An additional 24 percent admitted to sympathizing with the terrorists' motives and feelings; 56 percent said that they could understand why someone might commit such acts; 26 percent rejected Tony Blair's description of the terrorists' ideas as "perverted and poisonous"; 18 percent said they felt little or no loyalty to Britain; 32 percent agreed that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end.  73 percent said they would inform the police if they knew of plans for a terrorist attack; only 47 percent said they would report an imam preaching anti-Western hatred."

In the most "successful" European nations for Muslim immigration 27 percent of Muslims would not inform police if they knew of any terrorist attacks.  For me if you know of a mass murder on innocent people and did not report it that makes you a radical.  I have often wondered why Muslims are very energetic in protesting the Bush Administration, thousands have marched in attacking the U.S. President and his "imperalistic" agenda.  Yet immediately after Van Gogh's brutal murder or the mass violence caused by Muslims in Sweden there were no Muslims out in the streets protesting such acts.  It seems many Muslims are often silent on the issues that involve violent Muslims because they are in fact indifferent to it.

Now many people would claim that the previous paragraph shows a ethnocentric viewpoint.  Yet why is it wrong to simply restate or mirror what has already been said by the "persecuted" group themselves? 

To restate this is in Britian, the only nation in Europe that seems to have the least culture class between natives and immigratns. Can you imagine what the statistics would be in France, Belgium, or Sweden?



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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

You linked to a myspace equivalent for a source.

LOL

It is what came up when I googled for a source to back up my infinate knowledge based rhetoric.

Braddock wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Nice figure... any source?

article:

After the British terrorist attacks on 7/7 the Telegraph did a poll on British Muslims and this is what they found:

"Six percent of those surveyed said they considered the terrorist attacks on London justified.  An additional 24 percent admitted to sympathizing with the terrorists' motives and feelings; 56 percent said that they could understand why someone might commit such acts; 26 percent rejected Tony Blair's description of the terrorists' ideas as "perverted and poisonous"; 18 percent said they felt little or no loyalty to Britain; 32 percent agreed that Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end.  73 percent said they would inform the police if they knew of plans for a terrorist attack; only 47 percent said they would report an imam preaching anti-Western hatred."

In the most "successful" European nations for Muslim immigration 27 percent of Muslims would not inform police if they knew of any terrorist attacks.  For me if you know of a mass murder on innocent people and did not report it that makes you a radical.  I have often wondered why Muslims are very energetic in protesting the Bush Administration, thousands have marched in attacking the U.S. President and his "imperalistic" agenda.  Yet immediately after Van Gogh's brutal murder or the mass violence caused by Muslims in Sweden there were no Muslims out in the streets protesting such acts.  It seems many Muslims are often silent on the issues that involve violent Muslims because they are in fact indifferent to it.

Now many people would claim that the previous paragraph shows a ethnocentric viewpoint.  Yet why is it wrong to simply restate or mirror what has already been said by the "persecuted" group themselves? 

To restate this is in Britian, the only nation in Europe that seems to have the least culture class between natives and immigratns. Can you imagine what the statistics would be in France, Belgium, or Sweden?



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Absolutely laughable Lotta_Drool, even by your standards. Not only is your link some sort of fucking blog site, the actual source within it is for an article by the Guardian - a paper that is unbelievably Islamophobic and has recently had its already shitty name dirtied even further by a Channel 4 documentary uncovering blatant lies in the media. The Telegraph was found to be publishing completely unfounded scaremongering stories about Muslims working in hospitals not following hygiene procedures, when they were caught out on this they ran the 'retraction' as a story implying the hospitals were backtracking instead of a straightforward retraction.

And regardless of all that your precious statistics don't even back up your argument. I asked how many Muslims were both extremist and militant (in other words terrorists), you said 27%... the statistics here don't back up your claim. Here are the important statistics from your questionable source...

6% of those surveyed said they considered the terrorist attacks on London justified (an infinitesimal minority)
18% said they felt little or no loyalty to Britain (a distinct minority)
73% said they would inform the police if they knew of plans for a terrorist attack (a strong majority)

27% said they wouldn't go to authorities with information about Islamic terrorists.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Are you seriously that arrogant

I can answer that.  Yes.  He is.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Most people fail here by not realizing that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are basically the same with some differences.  The three are Abrahamic Religions, with the same roots.  I will concede that Islam needs Reformation, but it still is an Abrahamic Religion.  Ok, some nutjobs are blowing shit up, so you bigots blame the whole Muslim community.  GG.

You're joking me right?? Are you seriously that arrogant to think that you're the only one to know that?? Wow you're a dumb ass. Unless I'm mistaken I'm pretty sure everyone knows this. Christianity sees Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism see's him as a prophet, Muslim's see Muhammad as the Prophet. They even have the same fucking point of religious centralism in the same fucking city! Mecca in case you didn't get that already. Granted Islam is a bit more off the beaten path than the other two but it's still all there. Also, yes, white, hypocritical, dumb ass, assholes DO tend to blame the Muslim community more than anyone else but I'm pretty sure everyone here can see this. Don't think you're all high and mighty.

All the same bullshit tbh

When people talk about Islam this Islam that they fail to realize that the Middle East is one of the most fucked up areas in the world.  Its not Islam, its the nutfucks who live in the middle east.  Its not as simple as saying "Christians this, christians that", all religions work the same.  If Christianity and Islam were flipped geographically they'd flip in every other way too.

Spearhead wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Most people fail here by not realizing that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are basically the same with some differences.  The three are Abrahamic Religions, with the same roots.  I will concede that Islam needs Reformation, but it still is an Abrahamic Religion.  Ok, some nutjobs are blowing shit up, so you bigots blame the whole Muslim community.  GG.

You're joking me right?? Are you seriously that arrogant to think that you're the only one to know that?? Wow you're a dumb ass. Unless I'm mistaken I'm pretty sure everyone knows this. Christianity sees Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism see's him as a prophet, Muslim's see Muhammad as the Prophet. They even have the same fucking point of religious centralism in the same fucking city! Mecca in case you didn't get that already. Granted Islam is a bit more off the beaten path than the other two but it's still all there. Also, yes, white, hypocritical, dumb ass, assholes DO tend to blame the Muslim community more than anyone else but I'm pretty sure everyone here can see this. Don't think you're all high and mighty.

All the same bullshit tbh

When people talk about Islam this Islam that they fail to realize that the Middle East is one of the most fucked up areas in the world.  Its not Islam, its the nutfucks who live in the middle east.  Its not as simple as saying "Christians this, christians that", all religions work the same.  If Christianity and Islam were flipped geographically they'd flip in every other way too.

Sam Kinnison said it best.

Spearhead wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Most people fail here by not realizing that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are basically the same with some differences.  The three are Abrahamic Religions, with the same roots.  I will concede that Islam needs Reformation, but it still is an Abrahamic Religion.  Ok, some nutjobs are blowing shit up, so you bigots blame the whole Muslim community.  GG.

You're joking me right?? Are you seriously that arrogant to think that you're the only one to know that?? Wow you're a dumb ass. Unless I'm mistaken I'm pretty sure everyone knows this. Christianity sees Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism see's him as a prophet, Muslim's see Muhammad as the Prophet. They even have the same fucking point of religious centralism in the same fucking city! Mecca in case you didn't get that already. Granted Islam is a bit more off the beaten path than the other two but it's still all there. Also, yes, white, hypocritical, dumb ass, assholes DO tend to blame the Muslim community more than anyone else but I'm pretty sure everyone here can see this. Don't think you're all high and mighty.

All the same bullshit tbh

When people talk about Islam this Islam that they fail to realize that the Middle East is one of the most fucked up areas in the world.  Its not Islam, its the nutfucks who live in the middle east.  Its not as simple as saying "Christians this, christians that", all religions work the same.  If Christianity and Islam were flipped geographically they'd flip in every other way too.

That's quite true. The only reason people exist in many areas of the middle east, specifically Iraq Iran etc, is because the thought of themselves as....'gate keepers' if you will back in the middle ages when trade routes existed between Europe and India/China. That is how they prospered. It was just by chance that some dude spent three foodless, waterless days in a dark cave, had a hallucination and yet another meaningless, pointless sect of religion was born...

EDIT: I still say the fk heads that have corrupted Christianity and Christians as a whole are way

BTW For you dumbass Drool and for an answer for the others:

Harvard International Review wrote:

7 percent [of Muslims worldwide] think the 9/11 attacks were “completely” justified and are very critical of the United States.

And 30% of those 7% disagreed with the statement, "Other attacks in which civilians are the target were ‘mostly’ or ‘completely’ unjustified." (emphasis added)

Of all Muslims polled, 60% didn't approve of the US, vs. 2% who said terrorism is justified. Another interesting result of the poll was that extremists, and Muslims in general, don't dislike freedom, democracy, or progress, but rather tend to dislike specific Western countries--the US (42% dislike) and the UK (34%). France and Germany had comparable disapproval to Turkey and Pakistan (15-12%).

m3thod wrote:

1. Serge posts something most of us know anyway
2. You ridicule him for it
3. Then proceed to post exactly the same content
4. And while you're on your high horse have the gall to tell serge not to think you're all high and mighty
5. *shake head*

If that's how you wanna see it I guess. There's always a different POV to be seen.

Last edited by xBlackPantherx (2008-09-01 15:12:27)

I closed the thread about not wanting mosques in my hometown. I'm sorry I made it since I didn't want it to be Islam/Muslim bashing thread.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

462nd NSP653 wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Significant numbers? What percentage of the Muslim world are both extremist and militant?

I don't think he said anything about a significant percentage...it was numbers.  Say a religious sect has 45 million members.  Say only 5% (relatively low percentage) want to purge the world of all other religions...

Are you telling me 2.25 million people wanting all others exterminated is not a significant number???

Compared to the billions and billions that inhabit the world, the yes. It is a relatively small number.

EDIT: Also this is more or less about extremists that live in the Middle East; not worldwide.

I understand but I don't think you're following my point but maybe it's moot. He didn't state "a significant percentage of whom want..." rather, he said significant numbers.  And don't get me wrong...I think it is blatantly ignorant to generalize that a group as a whole is violent because a small percentage are...but if 1 million of them are threatening me and mine...I'm going to consider that "significant numbers".  I'll not condemn the group but I will be wary of the million.

m3thod wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Most people fail here by not realizing that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are basically the same with some differences.  The three are Abrahamic Religions, with the same roots.  I will concede that Islam needs Reformation, but it still is an Abrahamic Religion.  Ok, some nutjobs are blowing shit up, so you bigots blame the whole Muslim community.  GG.

You're joking me right?? Are you seriously that arrogant to think that you're the only one to know that?? Wow you're a dumb ass. Unless I'm mistaken I'm pretty sure everyone knows this. Christianity sees Jesus as the Messiah, Judaism see's him as a prophet, Muslim's see Muhammad as the Prophet. They even have the same fucking point of religious centralism in the same fucking city! Mecca in case you didn't get that already. Granted Islam is a bit more off the beaten path than the other two but it's still all there. Also, yes, white, hypocritical, dumb ass, assholes DO tend to blame the Muslim community more than anyone else but I'm pretty sure everyone here can see this. Don't think you're all high and mighty.

...let me get this right.

1. Serge posts something most of us know anyway
2. You ridicule him for it
3. Then proceed to post exactly the same content
4. And while you're on your high horse have the gall to tell serge not to think you're all high and mighty
5. *shake head*

Not to mention he didn't know Jesus was a prophet to Islam.

blademaster wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I've often thought the same thing.

yup same here

Hey go study!