suppressive fire in 0.75

2008-03-18 09:13:37

#1

MirindoR: headshots only; +31|6144

what do you think? i've just written quite a lot on the PR forums, so i feel a bit too tired to write everything here again, in anycase in my opinion its the worst change i've ever seen.
totally ruins the mod, makes CQB totally ridicculous (people standing stock still, totally blinded, randomly shooting at each other at 5 meters, taking seconds to score a hit).
this not considering the effect it has on the lowest rigs. when a bullet hits the ground next to me i'm totally devasted by lag-pc running at like 3 fps; this, added with the normal semi-blindness=loss.
if this effect stays, i'll uninstall Project Reality.

2008-03-18 09:33:34

#2

zeidmaan: Member; +234|6623|Vienna

Only played few rounds so far so cant really say how its like at CQB. But long range its great. Since there is no fear of dying in game unlike real life, something drastic had to be done. But I can see how it might be a problem in close quarters when I think about it.

2008-03-18 21:15:03

#3

The_Lance_117: CANADA STRONG; +110|6145|CANADA

You mean the black smoky stuff around you when you get shot at in .75? Yea, that's cool.
EDIT: ^^^Screw that, it sucks, more unrealism than realism. And lag.

Last edited by The_Lance_117 (2008-04-11 18:50:12)

2008-03-18 21:18:49

#4

.:ronin:.|Patton: Respekct dad i love u always; +946|7017|Marathon, Florida Keys

its stupid, bullets dont do that to you in RL. They can keep the explosions thats fine.

https://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g117/patton1337/stats.jpg

2008-03-19 05:35:23

#5

MirindoR: headshots only; +31|6144

I uninstalled PR.

2008-03-19 19:39:21

#6

firebolt5: Member; +114|6363

MirindoR wrote:
I uninstalled PR.

Just because of the supressive fire vision...?

2008-03-19 20:14:38

#7

Cyrax-Sektor: Official Battlefield fanboy; +240|6356|San Antonio, Texas

firebolt5 wrote:
MirindoR wrote:
I uninstalled PR.
Just because of the supressive fire vision...?

It's rather taxing on poor computers. I wouldn't let that stop me however. I'm one tenacious little monkey! Besides, all of the pros of PR outbest the few cons IMHO.

2008-03-20 00:06:58

#8

MirindoR: headshots only; +31|6144

yea just because of that, and because those guys at the PR forum don't give a shit...
it makes the mod unplayable.

2008-03-20 04:25:37

#9

zeidmaan: Member; +234|6623|Vienna

I played it some more and I like it. Sure in RL you dont get vision like that when being shot at, but you do get scared. Even Rambo, Jack Bauer and Chuck Norris duck behind cover occasionally when being shot at. But in game people rarely did so because there is hardly any fear of dying. Now when you are suppressed you are suppressed.
I did have few funny moments in CQB though

2008-03-20 13:13:40

#10

firebolt5: Member; +114|6363

zeidmaan wrote:
I played it some more and I like it. Sure in RL you dont get vision like that when being shot at, but you do get scared. Even Rambo, Jack Bauer and Chuck Norris duck behind cover occasionally when being shot at. But in game people rarely did so because there is hardly any fear of dying. Now when you are suppressed you are suppressed.
I did have few funny moments in CQB though

Yeah, like if someone is firing a M249 out of a window sill and firing at your position, I should not see you popping up and taking shots to kill the gunner and I should see the other squad outflanking your position. You guys either have to pop smoke and fall back or outflank the M249 gunner. Suppressive fire is almost non existant in most games and PR's new effect is way better than the old one.

2008-03-26 07:05:45

#11

(HUN)Rudebwoy: Member; +45|6963

Of course you wont "black out" in RL when a bullet hits the ground near you. But since the BF2 engine has limitations, the dev team has to think in analogies. The suppression effect itself might not be realistic, but it makes the suppresed player act realistically and that's what counts imo.
Same as the medic's zapper. It does not bring you back from death, its just an analogy for being patched up to be able to shoot again, since when you are "critically wounded" you are not dead, you are just in a condition when you cannot fight. You cannot build up a bunker with shovels, but the ppl and time needed to build one up is a correct analogy for that.
I say it is a good idea and adds more realism.

Last edited by (HUN)Rudebwoy (2008-03-26 07:06:38)

2008-03-27 21:03:32

#12

GR34: Member; +215|6753|ALBERTA> CANADA

I like it and hate it. When trying to be covert spec ops with the silenced 9mm it tells em where it is and for close in counters it sucks but It makes it fell like "Shit I IS GETTING CAPPED" so love it

2008-03-28 17:31:32

#13

firebolt5: Member; +114|6363

For the people that hate it, the PR devs are tweaking the suppression effects:

1. Only happens with 5.56 and higher calibre weapons

So you can all stop bitching about pistols/smg's giving off the effect

Confirmed for 0.8

2. Only "activates" after the round has travelled 10-20m

Confirmed for 0.8

So you can all stop bitching about CQB being a little bit frustrating

http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f196-pr … weaks.html

2008-03-30 23:44:28

#14

KORdaemon: Member; +2|6580

(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:
Of course you wont "black out" in RL when a bullet hits the ground near you. But since the BF2 engine has limitations, the dev team has to think in analogies. The suppression effect itself might not be realistic, but it makes the suppresed player act realistically and that's what counts imo.
Same as the medic's zapper. It does not bring you back from death, its just an analogy for being patched up to be able to shoot again, since when you are "critically wounded" you are not dead, you are just in a condition when you cannot fight. You cannot build up a bunker with shovels, but the ppl and time needed to build one up is a correct analogy for that.
I say it is a good idea and adds more realism.

wow, you know what? before i read this, i thought suppression was retarded but now that i look at it your way *and the fact i have an okai comp* it's pretty sensible. too bad i already voted against it x_x

2008-04-11 18:51:32

#15

The_Lance_117: CANADA STRONG; +110|6145|CANADA

MirindoR wrote:
I uninstalled PR.

Oh snap, there goes MAS4. *sigh.* My first clan. Gone.

2008-04-11 19:29:05

#16

coke: Aye up duck!; +440|6917|England. Stoke

firebolt5 wrote:
For the people that hate it, the PR devs are tweaking the suppression effects:
1. Only happens with 5.56 and higher calibre weapons

So you can all stop bitching about pistols/smg's giving off the effect

Confirmed for 0.8

2. Only "activates" after the round has travelled 10-20m

Confirmed for 0.8

So you can all stop bitching about CQB being a little bit frustrating
http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f196-pr … weaks.html

TBH I don't mind it too much but if all the fixes that are listed in the link are sorted then it should be spot on...

2008-04-20 01:56:51

#17

Wallpaper: ☺; +303|6202|The pool

Hate it. I uninstalled PR for the same reason. I was getting ~8 fps without the damned black out effect, with it, trying to play is just stupid (you can disable it, but Im sure that would not make server admins very happy)

My flickr

2008-04-24 10:07:38

#18

MirindoR: headshots only; +31|6144

The_Lance_117 wrote:
MirindoR wrote:
I uninstalled PR.
Oh snap, there goes MAS4. *sigh.* My first clan. Gone.

it aint gone, its still there, simply i'm not playin pr for now... you guys should keep recruiting and playing if you want to, i wanna see how these effects will be in the next version.

2008-04-29 01:34:53

#19

MirindoR: headshots only; +31|6144

hmm i had a look at the m4 red dot sight, they're way cooler than they used to be, mb i'll start playin PR again XD

Last edited by MirindoR (2008-04-29 02:37:03)

2008-04-29 05:27:18

#20

zeidmaan: Member; +234|6623|Vienna

Plus you get a parachute, C4, and 4 slams AND A SILENCED PISTOL. And wait for it....... A GRAPPLING HOOK!!!!!.
Its epic fun to go on normally inaccessible roofs on city maps and harass people. I noticed that most are still not used to checking those roofs.

2008-04-29 07:25:50

#21

The_Lance_117: CANADA STRONG; +110|6145|CANADA

MirindoR wrote:
hmm i had a look at the m4 red dot sight, they're way cooler than they used to be, mb i'll start playin PR again XD

*dances*

Last edited by The_Lance_117 (2008-04-29 07:26:47)

2008-04-29 08:41:03

#22

Cyrax-Sektor: Official Battlefield fanboy; +240|6356|San Antonio, Texas

zeidmaan wrote:
Plus you get a parachute, C4, and 4 slams AND A SILENCED PISTOL. And wait for it....... A GRAPPLING HOOK!!!!!.
Its epic fun to go on normally inaccessible roofs on city maps and harass people. I noticed that most are still not used to checking those roofs.

You don't get a parachute as Special Forces. The grappling hook is accessed with the 9 key. Parachuting was accessed with the 9 key. If you have the same index number (number to pull out the weapon), the game will CTD.

Parachutes were removed from the SF in one of the recent patches. Only pilots have parachutes now. Now don't go splatting on me when flying over Basrah.

MirindoR, I heard suppression will be adjusted in the next patch.

2008-05-07 12:22:09

#23

MirindoR: headshots only; +31|6144

no need for that anymore i ''found a way around it'' heeeheeeheeeheeee..... (thx wallpaper)

2008-07-08 09:04:46

#24

-=[MDK]=-MrBojangles: Bullet Sponge; +4|6887

Only issue with supression is that its baised on cilet side FPS

The effect lasts for 100 frames so depending on your comp proformance youe suppresion will last diffrent lengths.

For me on kaskan im at 100+ FPS so its done in a second or so, fools road I drop down to 75 so it takes a little longer.

realistic! it really makes u feel like ur being shot at	60%	60% - 29
more lag? no thanks.	39%	39% - 19
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