Kmar
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The Times of London buries the lede somewhat in their look at political violence in Zimbabwe.  They start off by recounting a horrifying story of how the baby of an opposition leader got maimed by goons in the employ of Robert Mugabe, but wait until several paragraphs to report that minutes of high-level meetings show he was directly involved in the creation of militias to conduct this violence across the country.  Mugabe and his henchmen wanted to avoid having the military attack civilians directly, and instead unleashed thugs in their stead:   
Leaked minutes of the Joint Operations Command (JOC), which has orchestrated the violence since Mugabe lost a first round of voting in March, revealed that it is willing to wipe out opposition supporters.

    A 10,000-strong youth militia loyal to the Zanu-PF has been created to enforce its wishes in case regular army units refuse, according to Zimbabwean human rights agencies.

    “It’s a deliberate nationwide strategy to reoccupy space so all space is occupied by the Zanu of Mugabe,” said Jon Stewart, a director of the Zimbabwe Human Rights Forum.

    Minutes of one JOC meeting show that supporters of Morgan Tsvangirai, the opposition leader, “will all be internally displaced. The target number is two million supporters”.
Technically, this does not qualify as genocide as it is not based on ethnicity or religion, but operationally it amounts to the same thing.  They wanted to make millions homeless as a threat or a consequence to political opposition, and they hired goons to do it.  The minutes prove beyond any doubt that the wave of political violence didn’t come from the MDC as Mugabe alleges, nor as a grassroots movement from fringe Mugabe supporters, but as a deliberate campaign of mass murder and ruthless intimidation.

Small wonder, then, that Mugabe sought to distract attention from his role as murderer-in-chief by asking Morgan Tsvangirai to attend his inauguration, which the MDC leader quickly refused:

Zimbabwe opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai rejected an olive branch offered by President Robert Mugabe on Sunday after a widely condemned election which African observers said was scarred by violence and intimidation.  …

    Tsvangirai rejected the invitation and said the inauguration was meaningless after an illegitimate poll. He said he would ask the African Union not to recognize Mugabe’s re-election.

    Mugabe spokesman George Charamba told Reuters the invitation was “done in the spirit of the president’s wish to reach out … It is a major step towards political engagement.”
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A baby boy had both legs broken by
supporters of President Robert Mugabe to
punish his father for being an opposition
councillor in Zimbabwe.
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CaptainSpaulding71
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someone tell me why the UN does nothing to avert these problems in africa (or actually anywhere for that matter).  is the UN relevant any longer?
Parker
isteal
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i know i wouldnt want to be balls deep in a situation where i would have to shoot at children.....
CaptainSpaulding71
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Here's the UN charter:  http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/

perhaps they are more concerned about nation1 fighting nation2 rather than fighting within nation1 which they may view as an internal problem not worthy of their time. 

by the way - i agree with Parker.  In the defense of the UN, it's a tough situation since nobody wants to get in the middle of a civil war - you don't know whom to fight and everything you do will basically come back to you in shit.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
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Let em be. I wouldn't want to see anyone try to go into a nation that is run by corrupt militant radicalists that treat their own people like shit and eliminate them from power. Furthermore, it would be terrible if we tried to help them set up a democracy for the people while we gave healthcare, built schools, trained police and delivered food and supplies. That sort of thing gets you a bad name 'round here.
Malloy must go
M.O.A.B
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Remember, Mugabe has never done anything wrong as there's apparently no way to prove its him
CameronPoe
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

Let em be. I wouldn't want to see anyone try to go into a nation that is run by corrupt militant radicalists that treat their own people like shit and eliminate them from power. Furthermore, it would be terrible if we tried to help them set up a democracy for the people while we gave healthcare, built schools, trained police and delivered food and supplies. That sort of thing gets you a bad name 'round here.
lol. I double dare you to try that shit in Zim. You don't even have proper healthcare in your own country!

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-06-29 15:29:22)

Reciprocity
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Africa is nothing but corruption, and not the good American kind.  Remove Mugabe, and you'll only get someone even worse.
usmarine2
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CameronPoe wrote:

You don't even have proper healthcare in your own country!
nor do your boys in china
usmarine2
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oh and Cam, myself and everyone I know has proper health care.  what are you talking about?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6827|Long Island, New York
Somebody needs to assassinate that motherfucker. That picture in the OP of the baby was the last straw.

The world is sick.
usmarine2
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Poseidon wrote:

Somebody needs to assassinate that motherfucker. That picture in the OP of the baby was the last straw.

The world is sick.
nah, keep him alive.  I mean, what else would the US bashers have to compare about?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6827|Long Island, New York

usmarine2 wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Somebody needs to assassinate that motherfucker. That picture in the OP of the baby was the last straw.

The world is sick.
nah, keep him alive.  I mean, what else would the US bashers have to compare about?
Very true, very true.

It's always our fault for not going in.
kptk92
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+972|6698|tc_london
Mugabe is just a selfish prick. He can't stay in charge for another term.
usmarine2
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Poseidon wrote:

It's always our fault for not going in.
or going in.  or training someone to go in.  or healthcare.  lulz

But hey, at least ireland is doing something about it.
Vax
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

Let em be. I wouldn't want to see anyone try to go into a nation that is run by corrupt militant radicalists that treat their own people like shit and eliminate them from power. Furthermore, it would be terrible if we tried to help them set up a democracy for the people while we gave healthcare, built schools, trained police and delivered food and supplies. That sort of thing gets you a bad name 'round here.
Well played sir.


@The topic.

Thugs are also bulldozing homes of Mugabe opposition supporters.

Quite a legitimate election huh

Last edited by Vax (2008-06-29 17:02:38)

m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

Let em be. I wouldn't want to see anyone try to go into a nation that is run by corrupt militant radicalists that treat their own people like shit and eliminate them from power. Furthermore, it would be terrible if we tried to help them set up a democracy for the people while we gave healthcare, built schools, trained police and delivered food and supplies. That sort of thing gets you a bad name 'round here.
lawl you forgot to add the bit where you bomb the living shit out the place, kill a few thousand natives...then let in a few thousand terrorists who go on murderous bombing rampage unchecked which help turn the country into a bloodbath. 

We'll ignore all the above and pretend we're still the good guys. After all ignorance is bliss.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
m3thod
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Vax wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Let em be. I wouldn't want to see anyone try to go into a nation that is run by corrupt militant radicalists that treat their own people like shit and eliminate them from power. Furthermore, it would be terrible if we tried to help them set up a democracy for the people while we gave healthcare, built schools, trained police and delivered food and supplies. That sort of thing gets you a bad name 'round here.
Well played sir.
Honouring selective thinking is gay.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Vax
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Ouch, you calling me gay ?

The typical selective thinking that goes on around here ignores all of the good accomplishments and intentions of that operation, so I found it appropriate.
m3thod
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Vax wrote:

Ouch, you calling me gay ?

The typical selective thinking that goes on around here ignores all of the good accomplishments and intentions of that operation, so I found it appropriate.
I stated selective thinking was gay and not mr Vacuum cleaner is a bumboy.  Please some application of basic reading comprehension is very much appreciated.

There was nothing of good intent in OIF 2.  And accomplishment only started to trickle through 5 years too late...

Meanwhile, a US army report has said there was little planning for events after Saddam Hussein was overthrown.

&

The US army report says military and political leaders were so fixated on overthrowing Saddam Hussein that too little thought was given to what might follow.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 480304.stm

The bloodlust overwhelmed rational thinking me thinks....but i won't spoil your party.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Vax
Member
+42|6142|Flyover country

m3thod wrote:

There was nothing of good intent in OIF 2.  And accomplishment only started to trickle through 5 years too late...
You don't have any clue about what the intent was. Only the people who orchestrated it know that.

And 5 years too late ? It was supposed to be all wrapped up and fixed in 2003, huh. 
Whatever.
ZombieVampire!
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CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

someone tell me why the UN does nothing to avert these problems in africa (or actually anywhere for that matter).  is the UN relevant any longer?
Because it isn't their job.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6783|Connecticut

m3thod wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Let em be. I wouldn't want to see anyone try to go into a nation that is run by corrupt militant radicalists that treat their own people like shit and eliminate them from power. Furthermore, it would be terrible if we tried to help them set up a democracy for the people while we gave healthcare, built schools, trained police and delivered food and supplies. That sort of thing gets you a bad name 'round here.
lawl you forgot to add the bit where you bomb the living shit out the place, kill a few thousand natives...then let in a few thousand terrorists who go on murderous bombing rampage unchecked which help turn the country into a bloodbath. 

We'll ignore all the above and pretend we're still the good guys. After all ignorance is bliss.
You get more with a kind word and a gun than you do with a kind word.
Malloy must go
ZombieVampire!
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And what's the point in having a gun if you don't get to shoot people?
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what about OIF 2?

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