Poll

How do you rank GTA IV, amonst the GTA series?

Easily the best GTA22%22% - 23
It's the best GTA, but it could be better31%31% - 33
Vice city was better6%6% - 7
San Andreas was better13%13% - 14
SA and Vice city were better4%4% - 5
As good as the previous GTA's1%1% - 2
Haven't decided yet18%18% - 19
Other0%0% - 1
Total: 104
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6785|Mountains of NC

I think its better not the best

I lose the story of the background of Niko bc I get caught up with everyones elses shit ... I wish they involved more plot twists and criss crossing other plots with his

Dark ------- its very dark  (even with making it brighter, its still dark)

cops .......... are everywhere ....... crusing along on the big island I can pass 3 cop cars at 1 light .......... and theres one on foot every 5 feet

vehicles ----- they need some major tuning

fuckin hospitals bills ......... I've payed out like $30,000
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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6988|PNW

bennisboy wrote:

I agree, but apparntly they couldnt put all that in due to the small size of the 360 dvd's and lack of guaranteed HDD. Not tryin to start a console war, jus explaining why some of it isnt there. In an interview, one of the r* employees said they had no more room left on the 360 disks, so it would be hard to see where they could go from the current size of the game on the 360
Gee, they could've used four or more DVD's if they developed it for the PC. Then they could've put all the world simulation they wanted on it.
Rosse_modest
Member
+76|6993|Antwerp, Flanders
I can't really say which GTA is best because I haven't played 'em all. Played GTA, GTA 2, SA and IV. Bought Vice City about 18 months ago but haven't really taken the time to get into it yet. Missed out on GTA3 completely.

But in my experience San Andreas is the best in the series so far. I'll leave GTA IV and Vice City on par right now until I've spent some more time on  Vice. Seems to me in most respects GTA IV is actually a step back from San Andreas. The title is also seriously overrated by the "professional" gaming press. I'd give it an 84% score (86% max) total. The 90+ scores I've been seeing all over the place are just plain retarded.
SEREVENT
MASSIVE G STAR
+605|6324|Birmingham, UK
Vice City was better, SA was too gangster-like.
Spidery_Yoda
Member
+399|6486
vote Haven't decided yet.

It's got my fave GTA character so far, the most detail and stuff, but it gives me the impression that its lacking in something.

Aside from the missions, there's just not a whole lot to do. Just now i'm still working through the Story mode though, so i'm not out of things to do by any means.

It just looks like they stripped away a LOT for this game.

Oh, and WHAT is up with the hospital bill (thank you SEREMAKER for reminding me). I have 35 000 just now, and am i good portion through the story. I check how much has been spent in hospitals and its $30,000! As far as I can tell it takes $4,000 each and every time. That just encourages you to load your game every time you die and waste time getting back to where you were. It has no reason to be that high.

Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2008-05-06 11:24:36)

justice
OctoPoster
+978|6958|OctoLand
Installed San Andreas on PC today, I'm sorry but it is just more fun than IV. The graphics may not be as good, but it is brighter, more fun, more things to do, and has an army.
I know fucking karate
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6983|UK
Indeed. Screw all you graphics whores, all your desire for graphics does is kill how fun a game can be. I have yet to see an amazing game with amazing graphics, eg SA is much more fun than IV.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6754|Long Island, New York

Vilham wrote:

Indeed. Screw all you graphics whores, all your desire for graphics does is kill how fun a game can be. I have yet to see an amazing game with amazing graphics, eg SA is much more fun than IV.
...Uncharted? Bioshock? Um..
_NL_Lt.EngineerFox
Big Mouth Prick
+219|6747|Golf 1.8 GTI Wolfsburg Edition
I like GTA4 as much as I enjoyed GTA Vice City.
r'Eeee
That's how I roll, BITCH!
+311|6665

Hyping a game = killing that game...And that's what I noticed from this thread. FUN FUN FUN...YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking and driving in a realistic and detailed city is fun too. The addition of 15 online games modes to play online is fun. Is going to the gym fun? Is having more customization fun? Might as well go and play The Sims.

Why copy the previous games without having something different?

Last edited by r'Eeee (2008-05-06 12:06:54)

SamTheMan:D
Banned
+856|6191|England

combine the graphics of 4, the things to do in SA and the game play of vc and 3 and you have the best game ever made
¦TØP¦straz_mataz
Member
+49|6401
im kinda disappointed in GTA4.... well the graphics and storyline are amazing theres just not a whoel lot too do except the missions

like where the fuck is my casino? I spent so much time in the casino in SA
i g
Banned
+876|6081|GA

SEREVENT wrote:

SA was too gangster-like.
umm it is GRAND THEFT AUTO amirite
GR34
Member
+215|6762|ALBERTA> CANADA
Would be better if they had put all/more weapons in game. Example: Golf club Mp5, SP-12, silenced m4/Glock,   M1911/browning 9mm,P90 maybe a .50cal sniper, more assault rifles like G3 or AUG P90, M60/MiniMi(SAW) more melee weapons to more then just bat and knife and a P90 or 2
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6983|UK

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Indeed. Screw all you graphics whores, all your desire for graphics does is kill how fun a game can be. I have yet to see an amazing game with amazing graphics, eg SA is much more fun than IV.
...Uncharted? Bioshock? Um..
Please dont tell me you think bioshock had better gameplay than system shock or deus ex, because it doesnt. Uncharted is very good though, but only once through and therefore automatically gets knocked off the list.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6983|UK

r'Eeee wrote:

Hyping a game = killing that game...And that's what I noticed from this thread. FUN FUN FUN...YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking and driving in a realistic and detailed city is fun too. The addition of 15 online games modes to play online is fun. Is going to the gym fun? Is having more customization fun? Might as well go and play The Sims.

Why copy the previous games without having something different?
Completely customizing your character was fun. Import Export was fun, owning properties and doing the missions were fun....
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6838|London, England
The MP is too fun. You guys need to give it a chance.

Although they could have thrown in things like Import/Export where you unlock unique cars (like in VC at Sunshine Autos). Firetruck/Ambulance missions and shit. Just more stuff to do in SP once you've completed the game. They could've thrown in abit more shops too.

I have a feeling, it's got to do with the DVD medium. Unless it's a PS3/Blu Ray exclusive. You're never going to get a game as big as SA (in terms of what there is to do) with as much detail as GTA 4

Which brings myself to another point, how much of this shit will you want to bet will be on the 360 exclusive DLC? They might've intentionally cut out some stuff, so that they could throw it in the DLC and make that much more money
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6754|Long Island, New York

Vilham wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Indeed. Screw all you graphics whores, all your desire for graphics does is kill how fun a game can be. I have yet to see an amazing game with amazing graphics, eg SA is much more fun than IV.
...Uncharted? Bioshock? Um..
Please dont tell me you think bioshock had better gameplay than system shock or deus ex, because it doesnt. Uncharted is very good though, but only once through and therefore automatically gets knocked off the list.
...Did I say that? No. I didn't. Bioshock for the 360 got a 96 in total from metacritic on both PC and the 360. It had AMAZING graphics. Are you seriously going to make the incredibly daft statement that you've never seen an amazing game with amazing graphics? Try HL2, Crysis, CoD4, Gears of War...all of these games had/have next-gen graphics and all have metacritic scores of over 90.
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|6958|FUCK UBISOFT

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


...Uncharted? Bioshock? Um..
Please dont tell me you think bioshock had better gameplay than system shock or deus ex, because it doesnt. Uncharted is very good though, but only once through and therefore automatically gets knocked off the list.
...Did I say that? No. I didn't. Bioshock for the 360 got a 96 in total from metacritic on both PC and the 360. It had AMAZING graphics. Are you seriously going to make the incredibly daft statement that you've never seen an amazing game with amazing graphics? Try HL2, Crysis, CoD4, Gears of War...all of these games had/have next-gen graphics and all have metacritic scores of over 90.
that's because metascores are bullshit.

most of those are good games, but I don't trust metascore, half of the reviews that go in are full of shit.
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6838|London, England
I've played Bioshock, everything looked like it was laminated. I mean, I understand it's set in an underwater/humid environment, but.....
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6983|UK

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

...Uncharted? Bioshock? Um..
Please dont tell me you think bioshock had better gameplay than system shock or deus ex, because it doesnt. Uncharted is very good though, but only once through and therefore automatically gets knocked off the list.
...Did I say that? No. I didn't. Bioshock for the 360 got a 96 in total from metacritic on both PC and the 360. It had AMAZING graphics. Are you seriously going to make the incredibly daft statement that you've never seen an amazing game with amazing graphics? Try HL2, Crysis, CoD4, Gears of War...all of these games had/have next-gen graphics and all have metacritic scores of over 90.
Bioshock was pretty shit in terms of gameplay so yes, it wasnt amazing. HL2, amazing game, doesnt have amazing graphics though. Crysis, lol total shit. CoD4 granted very good graphics and gameplay. Gears of war lol... next your going to say halo is the best shoot to have ever existed...

People who go on reviews and not on their own opinion are morons. Ive played probably over 1000 games, i would say I know what i think a good game and a bad game are by now.

You do realise game companies have a very large amount of control over what reviewers can say. For example if a magazine says their game is shit they can withdraw any rights to exclusive reviews etc for their other games, which results in a massive drop in revenue.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-05-06 17:53:08)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6754|Long Island, New York

Miggle wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Please dont tell me you think bioshock had better gameplay than system shock or deus ex, because it doesnt. Uncharted is very good though, but only once through and therefore automatically gets knocked off the list.
...Did I say that? No. I didn't. Bioshock for the 360 got a 96 in total from metacritic on both PC and the 360. It had AMAZING graphics. Are you seriously going to make the incredibly daft statement that you've never seen an amazing game with amazing graphics? Try HL2, Crysis, CoD4, Gears of War...all of these games had/have next-gen graphics and all have metacritic scores of over 90.
that's because metascores are bullshit.

most of those are good games, but I don't trust metascore, half of the reviews that go in are full of shit.
People who say that are like the people who say wikipedia info is wrong. Looking for an excuse.

Do you want individual scores from well known and highly represented websites? Okay, fine. Here you go.

Crysis -

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysi … lk=topslot - 95
http://pc.ign.com/articles/834/834614p1.html - 94
http://gameinformer.com/NR/exeres/87EE9 … 83D7CD.htm - 90
And PC Gamer also gave it a 98.

I won't give individual links for the following, but you can follow the links in the Metacritic scores.

Bioshock -

GameInformer - 100 (very rarely given out)
Official Xbox Magazine UK - 100
G4 TV - 100
EGM - 100
IGN - 97

Gears of War-

G4 TV - 100
Gamespy - 100
IGN - 94
GameInformer - 95

The fact that someone can say that every single game they've played that has good graphics is shit is almost funny.

Vilham wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Please dont tell me you think bioshock had better gameplay than system shock or deus ex, because it doesnt. Uncharted is very good though, but only once through and therefore automatically gets knocked off the list.
...Did I say that? No. I didn't. Bioshock for the 360 got a 96 in total from metacritic on both PC and the 360. It had AMAZING graphics. Are you seriously going to make the incredibly daft statement that you've never seen an amazing game with amazing graphics? Try HL2, Crysis, CoD4, Gears of War...all of these games had/have next-gen graphics and all have metacritic scores of over 90.
Bioshock was pretty shit in terms of gameplay so yes, it wasnt amazing. HL2, amazing game, doesnt have amazing graphics though. Crysis, lol total shit. CoD4 granted very good graphics and gameplay. Gears of war lol... next your going to say halo is the best shoot to have ever existed...

People who go on reviews and not on their own opinion are morons. Ive played probably over 1000 games, i would say I know what i think a good game and a bad game are by now.

You do realise game companies have a very large amount of control over what reviewers can say. For example if a magazine says their game is shit they can withdraw any rights to exclusive reviews etc for their other games, which results in a massive drop in revenue.
The fact that you instantly put down Gears of War proves your bias towards the PS3, and would give a reasonable explanation of why you're so angry when the word Xbox, Halo or Gears of War is mentioned.

Who said I'm simply going on reviews? I've played all these games and finished all of them, and I agree 100% with the critics. Sorry if YOU can't form your own opinions. Played Bioshock, loved it 100%. One of the best games I've ever played. Played Crysis and while not the best game ever, it sets the standard for next gen graphics and gameplay. The story in general is pretty tense as well. CoD4? Played through it all and loved it. You're making no sense and grasping for argument. Then again, we've had this discussion before.

Wow, conspiracy theories much? I'm sure Marvel being the gigantic company it is would let people constantly put down the movie-based games it makes. Yeah, right. Get a clue.

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-05-06 17:57:41)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6983|UK
lol how can I not form my own opinions? Im not the one following every word of the reviews. Actually im a PC fanboy, so yeah. Gears of war was a pretty damn mediocre shooter, it had one thing good about it, a chainsaw on your gun, thats it. I love how xbox fan boys claim its the best shooter ever though. I love how im "making no sense" yet you cant post a reason why im "making no sense". "Crysis and while not the best game ever, it sets the standard for next gen graphics and gameplay" again another opinion you make without giving any explanation. HOW does it set the standard for next gen gameplay? Or are you going to keep saying things with no actual opinion to back them up.

Actually thats not a "conspiracy theory" go read some things on gamasutra, then come back to me, they are facts, its how the industry works.

As to "Who said I'm simply going on reviews?" YOU DID, when you claimed those games are good because of their metascore rather than your own opinion.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-05-06 18:07:00)

VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6609|Southern California
SA was a great fucking game. I don't think I will be able to rate/compare 4 until I play through it completely at least once.
So far I would have trouble comparing them just because they are so different.

In SA I would ride my bicycle around into oncoming traffic, and bunny hop enough to just clip the roof of the car and get sent flying upwards....I would hall ass in family cars and throw a hand brake at 90mph to make a right hander. I would ride my high powered race bike over dirt hills and up the sides of mountains.

You can't really do that in this new one, even if there were bicycles jumping into someones windshield wouldn't work out...tires get no traction off road, ect,ect... But crashes are amazing, motorcycles are dangerous, I can drive my car through the front door of a store, you can play pool, shoot any direction while driving, throw grenades out of a moving car, weapons and aiming is a ton better, my car doesn't explode every 15 seconds, my porsche is more fun to drive then an econobox.

On one mission I killed everyone and started to walk off...in another room I heard "officer down....need assistance" and the guy comes gimping into the room.

I shot a guy in the head, and I guess when he saw me he floored it. I heard him fall on the horn after I shot him, but his foot stayed on the gas and the car took off and drove straight into a wall across the street.

Lots of very cool stuff in this one.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6754|Long Island, New York

Vilham wrote:

lol how can I not form my own opinions? Im not the one following every word of the reviews. Actually im a PC fanboy, so yeah. Gears of war was a pretty damn mediocre shooter, it had one thing good about it, a chainsaw on your gun, thats it. I love how xbox fan boys claim its the best shooter ever though.

Actually thats not a "conspiracy theory" go read some things on gamasutra, then come back to me, they are facts, its how the industry works.
So you're reading things of of "gamasutra" or whatever the fuck that is and getting your information and yet you berate me for using reviews to help back up my opinions? Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.

I'm not using 1 article of a review to base my opinions. I'm basing my own AS WELL as the reviews.

I also love how you consistentely call me an Xbox fanboy, except for the fact that, you know, I have a PS3. I also never said Gears of War or Halo were the best shooters. I hardly think that. Do I think Gears of War is a VERY GOOD shooter? Yes, I do. It was one of the first games to use the cover system. The best? Hardly.

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