BF2S Forums Official patch 1.2 commentary thread.

My solution for the air power in the next patch(hopefully not wishfull thinking)?

1. The AA. Needs to be made slightly less effective than it is now plus sort the oil tower bug.
2. Keep the 8 missiles on the attack helicopters.
3. TV range set to 600m to help counter new patch AA. Would be happy though if its kept at its new range of 450m.
4. Set the hit points on the all helicopters at between new patch setting and patch v1.12 settings. The .50 calibre MG's on jeeps etc can take down a helicopter to quickly. Transport helicopters full of troops need more protection.
5. Jets. Keep the current hit point settings as long as the new AA is reduced slightly. Making pilots land for big repairs is good thing, a new challange for some and will help reduce constant flag bombing. The improved AA has reduced carrier rapings, which is a good thing.

IMHO, this is balance.

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

Defiance wrote:

sparklet wrote:

i got outsniped by a PKM

i was sniper and i got snipered by a PKM

PKM = accrate plus power

I was talking on teamspeak when i had the same moment, except i was the PKM'er.

And I quote [myself], "When a PKM can take out a sniper faster then the sniper can take out the support guy, somethings not right"

There are so many variables to this though....player skill, range, cover for each individual, slope of the terrain, health of each person, position of impact from the round, even the hardware each player is using can effect this....there is to much to say, you would have to have a much broader range of data and test each weapon in side by side comparison.

I have been playing support a lot more in the past couple of weeks, I noticed a definite increase in accuracy, but a sniper will kill me all day long...they have the advantage of the scope compared to iron sights, they are covered better...however, the support guy has armor where the sniper does not.  In shorter range, the sheer number of bullets the support guy can unleash compared to a sniper will beat that sniper out everytime.

since the patch I've out sniped a dozen snipers or more with the PKM and I mean snipe one or two bullets per burst, and usually the first bullet does it

fun yes .... but somthing isint right

(TMC)Gonzo wrote:

the_skajaquada wrote:

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

There are so many variables to this though....player skill, range, cover for each individual, slope of the terrain, health of each person, position of impact from the round, even the hardware each player is using can effect this....there is to much to say, you would have to have a much broader range of data and test each weapon in side by side comparison.

I have been playing support a lot more in the past couple of weeks, I noticed a definite increase in accuracy, but a sniper will kill me all day long...they have the advantage of the scope compared to iron sights, they are covered better...however, the support guy has armor where the sniper does not.  In shorter range, the sheer number of bullets the support guy can unleash compared to a sniper will beat that sniper out everytime.

since the patch I've out sniped a dozen snipers or more with the PKM and I mean snipe one or two bullets per burst, and usually the first bullet does it

fun yes .... but somthing isint right

I completely agree, the PKM has been killing me without me even hearing a bullet.  (on my fat ass gaming headphones) which means they got the first bullet to hit me right where it smarts . This only happened once in a blue moon before patch. Dont get me wrong though im not bitching, Just pick that BAD ASS NEW SNIPER RIFLE

The fact that you don't hear the bullets is a bug of 1.2
Btw I think the PKM isn't overpowered... it's a machinegun... it's the ruler of infantry battle in RL too. The problem is it's high weight and lack of mobility... you can still take it out if you do it right in this patch.

MrHibs wrote:

I've just installed the new patch and I've been punted down to private, lost all my unlocks and all my medals.  Has anyone else had this problem?  If so could you get it resolved?

This has nothing to do with the patch. This stats big has been round since the game was released.

The graphic for the SCAR-H (assault class) of the US-NavySeals in BFHQ is gone now. Bug? Feature? Or issit just me?

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A comment on the Claymores... Not being able to "defuse" (remove via grenade, C4, etc.) a Claymore is questionable... No?

Oh, don't get me wrong, I've been milking it... If I set a Claymore somewhere reasonable, if I do not get killed, or set too many others elsewhere, it is almost a guaranteed kill. If you see that someone has sealed an alleyway with Claymores on each end, there is nothing you can do about it (without a attentive medic nearby).

It's true that we (most of us) adapt to what's given to us (and milk it). However, since there's also a need to maintain reasonable-ness, hearing how some people contrast BF2 to Unreal, it seems unacceptable (logically) that Claymores are indestructible until tripped.

I've heard the rationale of having vehicular mines be indestructible be for the purpose of giving engineers a greater role; tank-peeps 'd want to have an engineer alongside. Along that line, we'd (really) want to have a medic in every squad, as well as a fall guy; the latter will jump in and ignite the Claymore(s) and take one for the team (he'd be revived thereafter).

It just seems *more unreasonable, to me, that, the only way about Claymores is to have someone be blown up by it.

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* Some have said that having med-packs that heals near instantly is unreasonable. Some have gone as far as to say that having an unlimited supply of med-packs, ammo, is unreasonable. There are various aspects of unrealisticness in the game, aforementioned; to me, given the dynamics of the BF2-world (pseudo-realistic modern-combat setting with some unrealisticness necessary to improve the gaming experience) thus far, having Claymores be the way they are right now, is unacceptable.

ComradeWho wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

http://bf2s.com/player/44465804/

Check that site...actually is slamming EA about the patch in his sig.  I'll give him credit on his Karkand skills and time, but look at his jet stats....28000 kills and 2000 deaths...10:1 kill/death ratio!!!  That is crazy....the patch was necessary in something like that.  You cannot contribute that to all skill.  That is what I'm talking about when I say 5% are going to ruin it for the majority!

Yep, true mate. Tubers and bunny hoppers were annoying problems in BF2 and are now well sorted (I think)with the new patch. A debate has now begun on the new patch as it has caused some new annoying problems, hasn't fixed a couple of bugs and has gone too far in some area's.

see fellers, when you decide to mix with the balance set forth in the initial game release you are getting into a big can of worms, because community griping always produces poorly designed patches hastily released which create more problems than they fix
anybody remember then they patched AA to make it less effective due to whining? ohhh yeah, gee, that worked out well.
it was really senseless to mess with the nade launcher.. calling it "nube tubing" because it's effective and easy to use is ridiculous - it's the assault class, it's supposed to own your little ass at close range 9 out of 10 times with ease. that's the whole point of it - it goes and clears out things - that is it's strength and role - that's why they called it assault.. ahhh.. ohhh.. oooo!!! wow makes so much sense, maybe too much huh? appearantly it did. well now that class is effectively useless, nobody plays with it and as a result infantry combat is dramatically different. we have half snipers, half support - and that's basically it. spec ops no longer is the most powerful tool against tanks (hey who cares about balance when we can make some pathetic old vets who never saw c4 used that way feel more like they're back with the MEU).. and as for anti - tank, why? so you can get sniped with your slow movement or mowed down before you get close enough to use your DAO against the guy with the monster PKM.. and why even be medic when you can get the uber kills and the team points of the support class that gets a point every time a team mate changes a clip. as for assault - like we said, why? nade launcher is no longer the strongest close range weapon (of course it should be but it isn't now, idiots), so why be that class? you can't get as many kills with it and it has no team point bonuses like medic or support.. so that leaves us with sniper and support as i already said and if you'be played then you know first hand for yourself.. which means that the two strongest and most played classes are the ones that stay static from a distance and kill people who wander into their crosshaids - you know what this sounds like? sounds like a patch that was made to cater to all the crappy players who just wanted to log on for half an hour and kill something, because that's what we've got know - a game based on getting the effortless kill. if you're not one of these classes or armor then you are just a poor sucker wandering around the map trying to get to/from a flag waiting to come into the crosshairs of one of the thousands of mediocre players who have just been given a gift from the gaming gods..

nicely said. bring back bunnyhopping and dolphin diving.

Thank you mr. Realomegaman, beautiful written, excactly my opinion on this patch, we're more 'save' on the ground now.

The new sniper kit is how sniping is meant to be.  This rifle outplays all the others hands down.  The only big issue I see with this patch is that the game seems to move a lot slower, its less responsive, hopefully in the 1.21 patch they'll correct those issues.  Also, the medic unlock G36E is still a better sniper rifle. =/

Well I hate rants but reading through a bunch of these posts sort of made me sick enough to the point where I have a RANT of my own.

I keep hearing all the cry babies and they are generally the same type of people. Post patch pre patch now they need another patch, they screwed this up now, be it; AA, Jets, PMK, Sniper rifle, Blackhawk, heli, C4, claymores...

I look at it this way everytime EA releases a patch it's like a new game to me.

The major issue has always been people with little skill complaining about the people with alot of skill.

Before people were complaining about being owned by (INSERT WHATEVER YOU WISH HERE, JET, HELI) because their (INSERT WHATEVER HERE, SNIPER RIFLE, AA, FLARES) wasn't working correctly. Therefore it's EA's fault but not their own.

Getting raped by the heli, stay off the F'in roof and spawn somewhere else!!! IF there are no flags left it's your own bloddy fault and you deserve to be raped.

Example

Those stupid jets are way over powered and EA can't get the AA to work correctly. But here is another reason why I got killed an not the other guy. If only my PMK were more accurate I could have shot the guy at range before he jumped in the jet. I shot 50 rounds at him, he still jumped in the plane and later bombed me. Stupid PMK OVER powered jet, underpowered AA.

Now its....

Everytime I turn a corner some noob with a PMK snipes me from 200 yards away like it was no issue. Yet I fire back at him with my FN2000 and it's not accurate enough. EA how can the PMK be more accurate than the assult rifle. Then once I finally get to the flag a claymore goes off!!!

Well here is what really happens with all of these patches...

The best players choose the best equipment to play with ALWAYS.

Where before, the jet was really quite difficult to shoot down, now the PMK kills faster if used correctly. Good snipers actually use claymores now and don't have to worry about the teammates. Also the free kills and flag defeneds are racking up nicely now.

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So people adjust... Now I don't spend much time in jets, why? Quite simple even though the jet's post patch are actually better... (SHOCK!!!) ... since you can now easily kill helis with the missle lock (Improved AA goes both ways guys!!!). So what am I doing instead??? Support b/c the PMK is more accurate and there is almost always someone sitting in the aa, sniper is alot more fun as well. I can plant the damn things everywhere and never have to worry about teamkills.

My point is EA will never balance out all the kits nor should they. In addition skilled players will always find the advantage. It's not that the jets are much worse than before, it's just the PMK which I didn't use much is now at an advantage. Your being killed more by the PMK less by the J-10.

So here is the deal...

Create a different in game advantage and a skilled player will find it, thus a different whine is born.

Keep the patches coming EA, but not too soon I need a few more hours as support and sniper.

No, its becuase they now require no skill. I love reading all this posts saying CRY MORE when it was becuase of all of YOUR crying that the changes were made.

Vets hate the patch becuase its dumbed the game way way down. Where as others like the patch becuase it makes the game "easier" for them.

BerkuT_gru wrote:

Ok now plz tell me how this is normal ?! http://www.secretsofbattlefield.com/Insaneaa.wmv

It's just glitchy is all.

scroll, scroll, scroll.... I like it, you can still bunny-hop, sort of dolphin dive (looks slo-mo) increase/decreased shit. Same game to me. Nothing changed but the Ranks in my opinion.