Bush clearly did not train these pilots sufficient enough to fly. Bush should be impeached.TheAussieReaper wrote:
A collision sounds more like pilot error than a defect to me. Especially if the pilot's were in training.
It only says manufacturing defect for what was posted here... could be any of the replacement parts that have to be replaced to maintain the planes and not the original parts.
Oh yeah, the US Government totally pays the media to say things.... In case you haven't noticed sherlock, the media criticizes our government even more then Chavez and Mr. Jihadjacket combined.TC.Troy wrote:
I understand how the US govt. manipulates the media to work money...
Last edited by Commie Killer (2008-02-20 17:44:37)
Boy with those stats i think they should give me one and send me into Iraq. pew-pew-pew!!!steelie34 wrote:
lol^^^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15
"As of 2008, the F-15 in all air forces has an air-to-air combined kill record of 104 kills to 0 losses in air combat.[31] To date, no air superiority versions of the F-15 (A/B/C/D models) have ever been shot down by an enemy."
haxtbh
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Yes but that's because too many people were catching on. So they had to pay he media to write shit about the government to make it look like the government doesn't pay the media.Commie Killer wrote:
Oh yeah, the US Government totally pays the media to say things.... In case you haven't noticed sherlock, the media criticizes our government even more then Chavez and Mr. Jihadjacket combined.TC.Troy wrote:
I understand how the US govt. manipulates the media to work money...
/Head assplodes
? not sure what you mean. i am merely pointing out the fact that anytime you see the f-15 in the news (in this case a 2 plane collision over the gulf of mexico) you will also see a mention about that airframe unworthiness garbage. its just hype to get our newbie up and running faster. god i sound like a broken record.Smells Like Muff wrote:
It only says manufacturing defect for what was posted here... could be any of the replacement parts that have to be replaced to maintain the planes and not the original parts.
as far as the replacement part comment, i tend to think of the "airframe" as the same thing as a car chassis. it's not something that is replaced with spare parts, but the part that everything else gets bolted to.
LoL gotta disagree with ya there buddy. Why don't u ask yourself why there is news on Britney Spears little pregnant sister, but not news on the various laws being passed taking away or freedoms, or why there isn't news on how many people die from drug testing thnx to the Pharmaceutical companies hmmmmm???? The list could go on, and on im sure....Commie Killer wrote:
Oh yeah, the US Government totally pays the media to say things.... In case you haven't noticed sherlock, the media criticizes our government even more then Chavez and Mr. Jihadjacket combined.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Least he can count how many were in the collision.Moo? Si! wrote:
Bush clearly did not train these pilots sufficient enough to fly. Bush should be impeached.TheAussieReaper wrote:
A collision sounds more like pilot error than a defect to me. Especially if the pilot's were in training.
hehe, was what i was thinkinSEREMAKER wrote:
collide in air ..................... is there not enough space up there
ok...sherlock...Commie Killer wrote:
Oh yeah, the US Government totally pays the media to say things.... In case you haven't noticed sherlock, the media criticizes our government even more then Chavez and Mr. Jihadjacket combined.TC.Troy wrote:
I understand how the US govt. manipulates the media to work money...
Did you read anything in my post that even remotely mentioned the US govt. paying the media to report things? umm...NO.
geezus...
My point was...sherlock...the US govt. will manipulate what the media reports, and even the facts that are reported to manipulate the media into "helping" the public, and yes, even our representatives form an opinion about a praticular subject.
The overwhelming urge to scream "fuck off!!" is barely controlable...
My comment was geared more towards those that the original design was flawed or the conspiracy theories... However the OP never stated Airframe (course I'm old and going blind so I could have missed it) so I would agree that the Airframe is good to go. Hence my different part comment...steelie34 wrote:
? not sure what you mean. i am merely pointing out the fact that anytime you see the f-15 in the news (in this case a 2 plane collision over the gulf of mexico) you will also see a mention about that airframe unworthiness garbage. its just hype to get our newbie up and running faster. god i sound like a broken record.Smells Like Muff wrote:
It only says manufacturing defect for what was posted here... could be any of the replacement parts that have to be replaced to maintain the planes and not the original parts.
as far as the replacement part comment, i tend to think of the "airframe" as the same thing as a car chassis. it's not something that is replaced with spare parts, but the part that everything else gets bolted to.
Or it could be that pilot proficiency went into the toilet during the grounding period and we've slowly been getting the pilots back up to CMR (combat mission ready) status as jets have been cleared to fly again. Add into the mix that Tyndall is where brand new pilots are trained to fly the F-15 (and F-22) and it's not really that surprising.steelie34 wrote:
there are literally hundreds of articles about how slow production has been for the f-22. what better way to help boost it by finding "flaws" with our current air superiority fighter.TC.Troy wrote:
Two 15-C's colliding...on a training flight...
hmm...
tell me again what this may or may bot have to do with a defect?? The F-15 has been flying almost as long as I have been alive...
Defect? Now?? huh???
The F-15 is very argueably the BEST fighter aircraft to EVER see the sky...and 30 years later, we are JUST finding a defect?
ummm...
lol
I'm not putting it past the higher ups to be milking the longeron problem for all it's worth to get more F-22s, but they would not purposefully crash two jets together just to make a point.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
There are only so many military jet route routes, combined and separated from civilian jet and light aircraft traffic. So no, there is not a lot of room tbh.Tdog2007 wrote:
hehe, was what i was thinkinSEREMAKER wrote:
collide in air ..................... is there not enough space up there
Dunno if it's been posted, but one of the pilots just died.
I wish you would just delete this post. So many stupid thoughts you must have, on a daily basis. To be honest you sound like a daft imbecile.Moo? Si! wrote:
Bush clearly did not train these pilots sufficient enough to fly. Bush should be impeached.TheAussieReaper wrote:
A collision sounds more like pilot error than a defect to me. Especially if the pilot's were in training.
link?Poseidon wrote:
Dunno if it's been posted, but one of the pilots just died.
couldn't have happened to a stronger jet.
Last edited by Reciprocity (2008-02-20 19:11:42)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_ … ing_planesHurricaИe wrote:
link?Poseidon wrote:
Dunno if it's been posted, but one of the pilots just died.
Horse playing with expensive toys
that's exactly what happened to this guys
that's exactly what happened to this guys
thank you NTSBRECONDO67 wrote:
Horse playing with expensive toys
that's exactly what happened to this guys
Unfortunately, accidents happen. Fighter training can get pretty intense, and it only takes a couple, little things before something goes very wrong.
I don't know why they mentioned the structural problem, unless there is suspicion that it occurred again...or the news company likes linking unrelated stories.
The structural problem is in a potentially faulty spar that runs most of the length of the fuselage. It has caused one F-15C to fall apart while flying. Old airframes experience fatigue, and a minor flaw can cause these kinds of crashes.
The F-15 is an amazing aircraft, but Russia and China have been developing aircraft to beat it for over a decade. Indian Sukhois did very well against US aircraft in several training missions. The F-15 is the current top dog, but it is an aging dog.
I don't know why they mentioned the structural problem, unless there is suspicion that it occurred again...or the news company likes linking unrelated stories.
The structural problem is in a potentially faulty spar that runs most of the length of the fuselage. It has caused one F-15C to fall apart while flying. Old airframes experience fatigue, and a minor flaw can cause these kinds of crashes.
The F-15 is an amazing aircraft, but Russia and China have been developing aircraft to beat it for over a decade. Indian Sukhois did very well against US aircraft in several training missions. The F-15 is the current top dog, but it is an aging dog.
Last edited by RAIMIUS (2008-02-20 20:55:06)
So.. You guys flew fighter jets when? Oh you didn't? I just assumed.. Ya know cause Bush has.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Least he can count how many were in the collision.Moo? Si! wrote:
Bush clearly did not train these pilots sufficient enough to fly. Bush should be impeached.TheAussieReaper wrote:
A collision sounds more like pilot error than a defect to me. Especially if the pilot's were in training.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/r … -pilot.jpg
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Wow, when I read it on the news I thought the pilots didn't survive. I'm glad they made it.
^^^
One did die, sadly.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/jetcrash/index.html or see post #43 by Poseidon.
One did die, sadly.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/20/jetcrash/index.html or see post #43 by Poseidon.
Last edited by Rohirm (2008-02-20 21:57:02)
Isn't this the plot of 'Hot Shots'?steelie34 wrote:
there are literally hundreds of articles about how slow production has been for the f-22. what better way to help boost it by finding "flaws" with our current air superiority fighter.TC.Troy wrote:
Two 15-C's colliding...on a training flight...
hmm...
tell me again what this may or may bot have to do with a defect?? The F-15 has been flying almost as long as I have been alive...
Defect? Now?? huh???
The F-15 is very argueably the BEST fighter aircraft to EVER see the sky...and 30 years later, we are JUST finding a defect?
ummm...
lol