lowing wrote:
RoosterCantrell wrote:
No religeon is evil. A religeon it's texts, its structure, alone can harm NO ONE. It's the people who wield it, and thier interpretations of it.
Lowing, you constantly say that you have Nothing against muslims, just the islamic religeon itself. But, really, to me, that makes no sense. The people are what make a religeon bad.
You have to acknowledge the fact that there are many, quite possibly the majority of muslims, that are peaceful good natured people, and its the fringe extremists, do extreme things that grab the headlines. Stoning a person to death will create headlines, a charity drive, or the like doesn't get much attention.
You can offer up one thousand articles of horrible shit done in the name of Islam, and that is a large chunk of horrible things. But if you were able to do the impossible, and take every single instance of good or bad something was done in the name of Islam, add them up; I think its pretty safe to say that the horrible things attributed to Islam would be shadowed by the overall good and well intentions of the Many followers of Islam.
TBH, I don't see your point in dragging this up over and over, in the last thread, not many agreed with you, and you are unwilling to consider any opinion but the one you currently have, it's just gonna be the same debate over and over.
I have considered everything you said, and I see some valid points, I just disagree with you, and everyone that does, according to you, has thier head in the sand. Impossible to actually debate with someone like that. You are unwilling to give an inch to anything anyone says. Good luck with it anyway i guess .
I can give an inch as soon as what I say is responded to or disproved instead of being dismissed as racist, generalizing, Hitleresque, or any other number of bullshit responses that dances around what is actually posted.
In other words, prove to me that the teachings of Islam is NOT violent and intolerant then I will concede. Prove to me that the Prophet Muhammad was not violent and intolerant. and I will concede.
I see your point. Muhammed may very well have been preaching violence and intolerance. What we ARE trying to say, is that many Muslims do not follow that certain aspect of of his teachings. So you shouldn't say that the Islamic faith is evil or intolerant.
Because a faith is what people make it, and most Muslims do not preach such things. Just because the "founder" or what have you spoke of those things, anyone has the right to interpret it in thier own way, and many simply do not follow that aspect.
IF that means they are no longer following "true" islam then fine. But they are still called muslims. So, yes, what you are saying makes total sense, it's sick and twisted what many do in the name of Islam. Totally true. But There is so many more that do not adhere to those tachings who do believe in Islam. Maybe if they had a different name for the muslims that are just good people, it would be easier to agree with you.
You keep getting told that you are generalizing. It's just that you are, plain and simple. There really is no debate in my opinion.
Like I said, I see your point. Islam had its base in violence, barbarianism, chauvanism, and other things. Some people still follow that to a T. But you just can't say "there it is, that's how it started, Muhammed said it". It's unfair. Can't religeons evolve, change thier ideas and methods? I think they can, I think they do. Just because some of the followers refuse to evolve with it, doesn't mean you can blame the religeon. Once again, it's not the religeon that causes harm, it's the people who wield the religeous idealogy.
