The problem with the U.S. economy

2008-01-25 20:45:09

#1

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6813|Global Command

So, after almost eight years of bitching about the Bush Tax Cuts, the democrats are saying that cutting taxes, or a tax rebate is a good way to stimulate the economy.

Hillary Clinton claims to be the most experienced candidate, after eight years as a jilted first lady and eight years of being a NY senator. Her husband, the first black president, is doing everything he can to destroy him who would be...the first black president.

Consumer confidence is in the gutter. People are not spending money. The ripple effect is killing businesses across the nation. It's not that people are just afraid of losing the value of their homes, their IRA and savings. What is making people nervous is the reckless spending their government does. The lack of border control. The wars without aim or end.

Until some modicum of responsibility and sanity is returned to the government people will continue to hoard their chips, and the economy will continue to founder.

I am a business owner. My revenues are down 60% over a year ago. As are my peers. As are the trucking companies that ship our goods. My business is internet based and my customer pool is nationwide and EVERYBODY is singing the blues.

It doesn't matter who is elected. Until some modicum of responsibility and sanity is returned to the government this Tower shall fall.

2008-01-25 20:47:23

#2

Ryan: Member; +1,230|7127|Alberta, Canada

Join the revolution comrade?

2008-01-25 20:48:14

#3

adam1503: Member; +85|6672|Manchester, UK

Vote Ron Paul and your economy will be worth something tangtible again.

Ron Paul wrote:
1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.

2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.

3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness with the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.

4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.

Tax cuts only make sense when they come with Spending cuts.

Last edited by adam1503 (2008-01-25 20:50:55)

2008-01-25 20:53:48

#4

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7000

Ron Paul 08!

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Love is the answer

2008-01-25 21:07:40

#5

Home: Section.80; +447|7132|Seattle, Washington, USA

adam1503 wrote:
Vote Ron Paul

Ha ha! Good one!

2008-01-25 21:12:46

#6

adam1503: Member; +85|6672|Manchester, UK

You don't like Ron Paul?

2008-01-25 21:22:53

#7

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,981|6916|949

If we didn't spend so much to fight wars we can't win with troops (War on Terror, Drug War) we might have a better economy. Maybe we would have the ability to: spend money on domestic issues instead of bombs; Reduce corruption so $8 billion doesn't vanish into thin air; stop money from flowing from government to one sector of the economy, stop borrowing money from foreign investors, etc.

2008-01-25 21:23:24

#8

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7000

He was an internet phenomenon...
I think i'll run for president also... no irs... free cash for everybody... free cars... horny silicone breasted girls
for all bf2s.com members... vote for me... lol

Love is the answer

2008-01-25 21:38:47

#9

adam1503: Member; +85|6672|Manchester, UK

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
He was an internet phenomenon...
I think i'll run for president also... no irs... free cash for everybody... free cars... horny silicone breasted girls
for all bf2s.com members... vote for me... lol

Oh really... for an internet phenomenon he has raised a lot of money. Hasnt he raised more money from personnel in the armed forces than any other presidential candidate?

2008-01-25 21:42:11

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usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7046

adam1503 wrote:
Hasnt he raised more money from personnel in the armed forces than any other presidential candidate?

huh? That would be interesting. Got a link?

2008-01-25 21:54:34

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adam1503: Member; +85|6672|Manchester, UK

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id … amp;page=1

and

http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=300

ABC wrote:
Another Paul constituency, interestingly enough, comes from the military. A study by the Center for Responsive Politics found Paul received more campaign cash from members of the military than any other Republican presidential candidate.

The study of contributions of $200 and more during the first two quarters shows that Paul has raised three times as much from members of the military as what's been raised by GOP fundraising front-runner Romney, and four times what Giuliani garnered.

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2008-01-25 21:56:43

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King_County_Downy: shitfaced; +2,791|6881|Seattle

Ron Paul wrote:
including job-killing corporate taxes.

So the rich get richer? How do corporate taxes effect me? Sounds like Shenanigans.

Ron Paul wrote:
Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.

What does he mean by "freeze"? As in no more increases?

Ron Paul wrote:
Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets.

Who? Like China or Iran? Why exactly do we want other countries owning a piece of America?

I'm an idiot. Please speak very slow and clearly when emailing your replies back asap.

Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it

2008-01-25 22:01:11

#13

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7046

adam1503 wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3686073&page=1

and

http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=300

ABC wrote:
Another Paul constituency, interestingly enough, comes from the military. A study by the Center for Responsive Politics found Paul received more campaign cash from members of the military than any other Republican presidential candidate.

The study of contributions of $200 and more during the first two quarters shows that Paul has raised three times as much from members of the military as what's been raised by GOP fundraising front-runner Romney, and four times what Giuliani garnered.

How do they verify who was in the military when they donate online?

2008-01-25 22:06:21

#14

adam1503: Member; +85|6672|Manchester, UK

Let me guess: you think this was just Ron Paul supporters pretending to be in the Military when they donated?

2008-01-25 22:07:06

#15

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|6991|67.222.138.85

adam1503 wrote:
Let me guess: you think this was just Ron Paul supporters pretending to be in the Military when they donated?

Let me guess: you trust politicians?

2008-01-25 22:08:04

#16

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7046

adam1503 wrote:
Let me guess: you think this was just Ron Paul supporters pretending to be in the Military when they donated?

No. I am just curious how you verify that stuff.

2008-01-25 22:08:27

#17

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6813|Global Command

I like Paul and all.

Pity McCain is the chosen one.

2008-01-25 22:09:04

#18

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6885|132 and Bush

adam1503 wrote:
Let me guess: you think this was just Ron Paul supporters pretending to be in the Military when they donated?

That's only when people donate more than $200 (most people don't). Since Ron Paul fans are obsessive compulsive they are content with pissing their money away on a candidate that has no chance.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-01-25 22:09:05

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adam1503: Member; +85|6672|Manchester, UK

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
adam1503 wrote:
Let me guess: you think this was just Ron Paul supporters pretending to be in the Military when they donated?
Let me guess: you trust politicians?

I trust Ron Paul.

2008-01-25 22:10:32

#20

adam1503: Member; +85|6672|Manchester, UK

Wow the anti-Ron Paul sentiment here is unbeilevable. Even the mods are joining in! I really dont understand why you should be so opposed to him, what is it you all have against him?

2008-01-25 22:15:33

#21

King_County_Downy: shitfaced; +2,791|6881|Seattle

adam1503 wrote:
Wow the anti-Ron Paul sentiment here is unbeilevable. Even the mods are joining in! I really dont understand why you should be so opposed to him, what is it you all have against him?

I'm not against him, I just don't think he'll win.
Also, sorry if it seems like we're ganging up on you just joining in on the convo... Feel free to speak your mind here

Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it

2008-01-25 22:22:00

#22

adam1503: Member; +85|6672|Manchester, UK

King_County_Downy wrote:
I'm not against him, I just don't think he'll win.
Also, sorry if it seems like we're ganging up on you just joining in on the convo... Feel free to speak your mind here

Hehe, it did feel that way a little bit

Thats fair enough, I can understand why you would think he cant win. But how much of what he stands for do you agree/disagree with? The only way any politician stands a chance of winning is if people to support them. You dont vote for the winner or the one who raised the most money or the one who aired the most ads, you vote for the candidate who most reflects what you believe in.

2008-01-25 22:22:51

#23

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6885|132 and Bush

adam1503 wrote:
Wow the anti-Ron Paul sentiment here is unbeilevable. Even the mods are joining in! I really dont understand why you should be so opposed to him, what is it you all have against him?

It's not him so much .. he has just got some looney supporters. David Duke and company.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-01-25 22:25:15

#24

David.P: Banned; +649|6558

Kmarion wrote:
adam1503 wrote:
Wow the anti-Ron Paul sentiment here is unbeilevable. Even the mods are joining in! I really dont understand why you should be so opposed to him, what is it you all have against him?
It's not him so much .. he has just got some looney supporters. David Duke and company.

Maybe kill David? Not me the other guy.(But if you feel like it go ahead)

2008-01-25 22:30:41

#25

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6813|Global Command

adam1503 wrote:
But how much of what he stands for do you agree/disagree with? .

So far he hasn't said one word I disagree with.

adam1503 wrote:
You dont vote for the winner or the one who raised the most money or the one who aired the most ads, you vote for the candidate who most reflects what you believe in.

Unless it's a anti-vote, like it was for me with Kerry, like it will be if Hillary gets the nomination; I don't care if they are dead, if they can keep her out that's who my vote goes to.

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