dammit...the subject should read "REAL" ID, not READ... sorry.
Soooo... who here is ready to give up privacy and freedom so Big Brother will know where you are? Turns out it's going ahead as planned despite wide spread protests. What's ironic is that the ACLU is leading the protest in what will become a similar form of stripping of constitutional rights similar to banning guns....both real ids and gun control ONLY effect the law abiding citizen!
Read and see what you think and how you feel about being lojacked!
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-984873 … g=nefd.top
From the ANTI-REAL ID lobby:
The dangers of REAL ID:
• Fundamental inalienable human rights are being restricted.
Every citizen is being forced to get registered. REAL ID is not about identity but rather government authorization of activity. Individual rights and powers are being taken away. The government will authorize whether you can travel, have a bank account, get a job, or have access to Federal Courts and facilities. What were once inalienable rights are now privileges requiring government permission.
Without REALID you will not be able to:
* Drive your car
* Board a plane, train, or bus
* Enter any federal building
* Open a bank account
* Hold a job
• A Coerced Identification Card.
In the modern world we need identification. But shouldn’t we be able to choose the form of identification and shouldn’t we have the right to limit the information available?
We believe that the citizen should have ultimate control over the type of information and the amount of information.
• A $23 Billion Deception.
Homeland Security's estimate of $23 billion dollars to create this national ID system is probably off by $5 billion dollars...
• A Waste of Our Time.
Time is precious and waiting in line at the Driver's License Bureaus is an example of wasting time to comply with ineffective government bureaucracy.
• One stop shopping for Criminals and Terrorists.
All this information will be available to any DMV worker, anywhere in the country. The data on your license or ID card will be able to be called-up by any federal or state agency, anywhere.
• A National Gun Registry.
Gun registration will be eventually tied to the database.
• A Threat to Freedom.
"Your Papers, Please" is a phrase from the Soviet Union or a banana republic not a phrase we expect to hear in a free country. ID checkpoints will become commonplace - they will be disguised as seat belt checkpoints, ICE enforcement, or any of an assortment of safety checkpoints.
• A Blight on the US Senate.
The US Senate never debated or discussed the REAL ID Act. It was never debated in any committee or on the Senate floor. Most of the Senate never even read the bill. Yet they passed it unanimously to please a powerful Senator (Representative James Sensenbrenner (R) of Wisconsin) who attached it as a rider to the military spending bill HR 1268.
• Creation of a Megadatabase.
Databases that were once separate requiring individual warrants and permissions for access will now be linked. It is the creation of an open-ended database. A file with all your private information will be created and over time linked/expanded to include: copy of your birth certificate, social security number and account details, driver's record, home address, phone numbers, email addresses, parents and sibling information, associates information, medical records, educational records, political affiliations, travel data, arrest and conviction records, gun registration data, credit history, biometric information (particularly facial characteristics), fingerprints, and we expect will eventually include a copy of one's DNA.
• Enforcement Methods.
It is the methods by which our government implements its policies that particularly concern us. It is the transition to a Police/Surveillance/Database STATE that is most shocking and dangerous. This country survived 200 years of war and strife without turning into a totalitarian regime; our current security crisis is no excuse. Fundamentally, the United States Government has two choices to battle current threats. The first choice is to empower its citizens to be vigilant and be able to respond appropriately. The second choice (being implemented) is to control and to render powerless its citizens.
"Each time we give up a bit of information about ourselves to the government, we give up some of our freedom." - former US Senator Sam Ervin
Soooo... who here is ready to give up privacy and freedom so Big Brother will know where you are? Turns out it's going ahead as planned despite wide spread protests. What's ironic is that the ACLU is leading the protest in what will become a similar form of stripping of constitutional rights similar to banning guns....both real ids and gun control ONLY effect the law abiding citizen!
Read and see what you think and how you feel about being lojacked!
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-984873 … g=nefd.top
From the ANTI-REAL ID lobby:
The dangers of REAL ID:
• Fundamental inalienable human rights are being restricted.
Every citizen is being forced to get registered. REAL ID is not about identity but rather government authorization of activity. Individual rights and powers are being taken away. The government will authorize whether you can travel, have a bank account, get a job, or have access to Federal Courts and facilities. What were once inalienable rights are now privileges requiring government permission.
Without REALID you will not be able to:
* Drive your car
* Board a plane, train, or bus
* Enter any federal building
* Open a bank account
* Hold a job
• A Coerced Identification Card.
In the modern world we need identification. But shouldn’t we be able to choose the form of identification and shouldn’t we have the right to limit the information available?
We believe that the citizen should have ultimate control over the type of information and the amount of information.
• A $23 Billion Deception.
Homeland Security's estimate of $23 billion dollars to create this national ID system is probably off by $5 billion dollars...
• A Waste of Our Time.
Time is precious and waiting in line at the Driver's License Bureaus is an example of wasting time to comply with ineffective government bureaucracy.
• One stop shopping for Criminals and Terrorists.
All this information will be available to any DMV worker, anywhere in the country. The data on your license or ID card will be able to be called-up by any federal or state agency, anywhere.
• A National Gun Registry.
Gun registration will be eventually tied to the database.
• A Threat to Freedom.
"Your Papers, Please" is a phrase from the Soviet Union or a banana republic not a phrase we expect to hear in a free country. ID checkpoints will become commonplace - they will be disguised as seat belt checkpoints, ICE enforcement, or any of an assortment of safety checkpoints.
• A Blight on the US Senate.
The US Senate never debated or discussed the REAL ID Act. It was never debated in any committee or on the Senate floor. Most of the Senate never even read the bill. Yet they passed it unanimously to please a powerful Senator (Representative James Sensenbrenner (R) of Wisconsin) who attached it as a rider to the military spending bill HR 1268.
• Creation of a Megadatabase.
Databases that were once separate requiring individual warrants and permissions for access will now be linked. It is the creation of an open-ended database. A file with all your private information will be created and over time linked/expanded to include: copy of your birth certificate, social security number and account details, driver's record, home address, phone numbers, email addresses, parents and sibling information, associates information, medical records, educational records, political affiliations, travel data, arrest and conviction records, gun registration data, credit history, biometric information (particularly facial characteristics), fingerprints, and we expect will eventually include a copy of one's DNA.
• Enforcement Methods.
It is the methods by which our government implements its policies that particularly concern us. It is the transition to a Police/Surveillance/Database STATE that is most shocking and dangerous. This country survived 200 years of war and strife without turning into a totalitarian regime; our current security crisis is no excuse. Fundamentally, the United States Government has two choices to battle current threats. The first choice is to empower its citizens to be vigilant and be able to respond appropriately. The second choice (being implemented) is to control and to render powerless its citizens.
"Each time we give up a bit of information about ourselves to the government, we give up some of our freedom." - former US Senator Sam Ervin
Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-01-11 11:12:51)
