BF2S Forums US Troops caught torturing Iraqi Kids.

RoosterCantrell wrote:

Pff this isnt newsworthy.

Maynard James Keenan wrote:

"its no fun till someone dies"

"I own the TV, 'cause tragedy thrills me...  whatever flavor it happens to be..."

Tool rocks...

But yeah, good thread...

David.P wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Not the time, not the place.

_{that telling you to stfu whilst being polite, btw}

He is entilted to his opinion bro.

Maybe but not when his kind can around insulting our soldiers and we cant tell them to stfu or we'll be called 1st amendment violaters. I swear if the libs get there way Terror wins!

C'mon man...  you're becoming a parody of yourself...  You're better than that....

The_Mac wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

We all know US soldiers are decent human beings, the problem is what they've been ordered to do and why.

Liberate a terror state and get some nice oil in the process...sounds good to me.

That's indeed what you've been told, but the reality is that we've created a hotbed of terror through instability.  We've also been funding unscrupulous contracting corporations that are sucking up our funds while soldiers deal with substandard facilities.

The_Mac wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Ding, Ding, Ding.......We have someone who can't handle other peoples opinions, even when the opinion contained praise for the ordinary US soldier.

I hardly consider your opinion valid when it seems most of it comes from IRA propaganda.

I feel the need to say it again.
stfu.D:

Stingray24 wrote:

I'm really disappointed with those of you who simply cannot allow a thread about our troops to stay positive.  I question why you are posting in this thread.  It can't be balance because there's an abundance of threads that focus on the extremely small minority of soldiers that do the wrong thing.  If anyone wants to throw mud at our brave men and women in the United States armed forces please start your own thread for your next session of finger-pointing at the troops.  Allow this one to stay focused on all the positive things our soldiers do.

I acknowledge the positive things our soldiers do and try to do.  If you'll notice, I haven't been criticizing the troops.  I criticize our government and the contractors.

I think you'll find that most of the criticism in this thread is toward similar targets.  I don't know too many people that actually have something against the soldiers themselves.

Granted, I agree that this thread has gone negatively, partially because of my own fault...  Sorry about that....

Soldiers are human beings, just like everyone else, and just like across a broad spectrum of society you're gonna get most people who are fundamentally decent and good people at heart, you're also going to get your odd sociopath or psychopath, it's unavoidable. It's really nice to see those pictures, because most of the news and media reports that come out of Iraq are about the dark and miserable and often horrifying things that we are capable of. 

That said, soldiers don't have some kind of special sanctity, they're not above criticism, and they shouldn't be portrayed that way. It is important to remember though that you cannot criticise them for what they are not responsible for. A soldier doesn't sign up and tick a box to say he will only participate in conflicts or missions he is in moral agreement with, this means you can hardly blame any soldier or soldiers in general for the War in Iraq. The flipside to that is of course that when they do commit acts outside their roles, they are entirely responsible for their actions; the rape and torture of Iraqi civilians falls right into that category.

Psychological tests have shown that people in positions of power over others will often abuse that position, no matter what their moral compass says. Soldiers need the training to be able to deal adequately with those issues. It's nice to see pictures like this of the valuable work that soldiers of all nations are doing in Iraq to help the Iraqi people, if only the Iraqis could do that themselves.

<BoTM>J_Aero wrote:

Soldiers are human beings, just like everyone else, and just like across a broad spectrum of society you're gonna get most people who are fundamentally decent and good people at heart, you're also going to get your odd sociopath or psychopath, it's unavoidable. It's really nice to see those pictures, because most of the news and media reports that come out of Iraq are about the dark and miserable and often horrifying things that we are capable of. 

That said, soldiers don't have some kind of special sanctity, they're not above criticism, and they shouldn't be portrayed that way. It is important to remember though that you cannot criticise them for what they are not responsible for. A soldier doesn't sign up and tick a box to say he will only participate in conflicts or missions he is in moral agreement with, this means you can hardly blame any soldier or soldiers in general for the War in Iraq. The flipside to that is of course that when they do commit acts outside their roles, they are entirely responsible for their actions; the rape and torture of Iraqi civilians falls right into that category.

Psychological tests have shown that people in positions of power over others will often abuse that position, no matter what their moral compass says. Soldiers need the training to be able to deal adequately with those issues. It's nice to see pictures like this of the valuable work that soldiers of all nations are doing in Iraq to help the Iraqi people, if only the Iraqis could do that themselves.

Great Post.

+1

The United States Rocks. Anyone who says otherwise can talk to my ass.

usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

http://www.expose-the-war-profiteers.or … tha-AP.jpg

What is that from?  A woman having her genitals mutilated?

its from the video from haditha.

theyre getting proseucuted.

David.P wrote:

Smithereener wrote:

Dude, nowhere in his post was he pointing fingers and making fun of the soldiers. All he was saying was that he thought it was bullshit to tell people to shut up because it was an opinion that one didn't agree with. Yes, it sucks when the soldiers get made fun of, and are belittled, but thats why freedom of expression is a double edged sword, right? As for supporting those people, maybe he isn't supporting the commentary of the people disrepecting the soldiers, but rather supporting their right to say it.

I did'nt say him i said "His kind" You know what i find funny? That i can be called a racist so many times for my points of view by them but i cant call them out for what they think! Why the fuck cant i say Al sharpton is a race baiter? Why am i going to be called white supremacist? Why cant i say that Islam needs to own up to the radicals in its religion? Or i will be called a fascist! Why can they get away with everything and yet i cant? Why? Please tell me why do i have to listen to their opinions but they dont have to listen to mine? My point is liberals are the most extreme of hypocrits! I hate hypocrisy really hate it. So please go on keep insulting those that gave you the right to speak freely but when the time comes for you to start walking the walk i'll be there watching you fall.


Btw It maybe a double edged sword but i'll dull the edge that faces me.

That's his point, you don't have to listen to them bitch and complain, that's freedom right? By telling someone to shut up, no matter what their opinion, you're barring them from their right to free speech. Trust me, it pisses me off when those Westboro folk start protesting funerals, but what can we do? But if they're citizens, they have the right to say what they want(as long as it isn't conspiring against the government). The whole hypocrasy of the situation revolves around this. People are telling others to shut up about their opinions by telling them the soldiers die for them so they can say it. By using that kind of argument to tell someone to shut their trap, you're only dishonoring the soldier's sacrifices, not honoring them. Now isn't that hypocritical.

Everyone has been a hypocrit, that's fact. BUT to generalize and say liberals the most extreme is quite unfounded. Sure, there are some liberals that speak out of their ass, but I'm damn sure there are conservatives that say the same thing. The fact is, you can say the things you want to say. You pretty much just called Al Sharpton a race baiter just now; you pretty much just called out Islam, saying that they need to own up to the radicals. Yes, you will be called names for that, but that's obviously not the case with EVERY libera or personl there is, right? To call out all liberals and say that we all will call you a facist for stating what you believe in is just bull.

This whole unfounded hate towards liberals, and vice versa, towards conservatives is total bollocks.

Stingray24 wrote:

I'm really disappointed with those of you who simply cannot allow a thread about our troops to stay positive.

None of you lot will allow a thread about your troops to stay negative.

usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

http://www.expose-the-war-profiteers.or … tha-AP.jpg

What is that from?  A woman having her genitals mutilated?

LOL...  good call....