BF2S Forums Last 10 American Presidents (Part II)

Hillary Clinton

mafropetee wrote:

shit... i slected clinton without reading what this was about... clinton was (at least one of) the best IMO. w. bush is definately the worst IMO.

Ahhhh youth and inexperience ... every President anymore is the "worst" while they are in office (I remember everyone thinking that of Clinton, and he has emerged in just a few years to get a sub-mediocre status).  In the end, Clinton will be an above average President.  Bush?  Too early to tell.

Toss up between Nixon and Carter. Nixon because his buffoonery led to the inherent distrust the media has of anyone in the Republican Party and thus our ridiculously slanted media coverage in this country (can't speak for elsewhere). Carter because his foreign policy failures and appeasement (mentioned earlier) has come home to roost in Al-Qaeda, Iran, and other Islamic fundamentalism (Wahhabism).

Dubya's biggest fault is loyalty. He has remained loyal to those around him--those who got him to the Presidency. They are a bunch of flaming morons who have bent this country over and buttsexed us to the point where we are now. Dubya is too loyal to them to clean house and bring in some competent advisors. Meanwhile, we get the kind of BS that's in these forums about how America is evil, overbearing, blah blah blah. America isn't...our unelected officials (political appointees) are.

Masterstyle wrote:

Andrew Johnson, he basically did shit after the civil war and was an ineffective president.

Agreed, but we're talking about the last 10 presidents, nothing more.

Turquoise wrote:

Masterstyle wrote:

Andrew Johnson, he basically did shit after the civil war and was an ineffective president.

Agreed, but we're talking about the last 10 presidents, nothing more.

Oh then I would say Reagan, his "peace through strength" approach to the Cold War killed the Détente that was present between the US and the Soviets since the Cuban missile crisis and would of made things worse if the Soviet Union didn't collapse in 1990.

Also he created a massive national debt by overspending on military, his Star Wars program for intercepting Nuclear Missiles was a waste.

Wow Reagan Bashers.
Whats worse, increasing defense spending or going to Nuclear War? He showed strength and resolve in the face of an intense standoff with the Soviets. Had a lesser President been in office cold would have went to hot. Also, people are quick to forget the significance Reagan had in reducing arms and nuclear proliferation. Given the current state of the world I would have figured more people would have noted that.

RONALD REAGAN wrote:

But through it all, the alliance held firm. And I invite those who protested then-- I invite those who protest today--to mark this fact: Because we remained strong, the Soviets came back to the table. And because we remained strong, today we have within reach the possibility, not merely of limiting the growth of arms, but of eliminating, for the first time, an entire class of nuclear weapons from the face of the earth.

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His negotiations with Gorbachev brought a peaceful end to the cold war.

Say what you will about the man but I guarantee you avoiding Armageddon trumps it. Peace through strength.

Kmarion wrote:

Wow Reagan Bashers.
Whats worse, increasing defense spending or going to Nuclear War? He showed strength and resolve in the face of an intense standoff with the Soviets. Had a lesser President been in office cold would have went to hot. Also, people are quick to forget the significance Reagan had in reducing arms and nuclear proliferation. Given the current state of the world I would have figured more people would have noted that.

RONALD REAGAN wrote:

But through it all, the alliance held firm. And I invite those who protested then-- I invite those who protest today--to mark this fact: Because we remained strong, the Soviets came back to the table. And because we remained strong, today we have within reach the possibility, not merely of limiting the growth of arms, but of eliminating, for the first time, an entire class of nuclear weapons from the face of the earth.

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His negotiations with Gorbachev brought a peaceful end to the cold war.

Say what you will about the man but I guarantee you avoiding Armageddon trumps it. Peace through strength.

My beefs with Reagan were mostly economic.  He did manage to get the economy going again, but he did it with a flair for the rich, not the working class.  He basically started a new economic trend that is wildly popular among the corporate powers that be, but it leaves much to be desired in terms of wealth disparity.

He also helped set in motion an economy where most industries are dominated by corporations and small businesses barely survive.

Ok, I don't think it's fair voting for Carter.  He did good things in foreign policy and he cared about people.  Maybe he was at the office at the wrong time, I mean the Iran hostages situation did not help him at all.  I think it's a close race between GWB, LBJ and Nixon.  But if I have to pick one, Dubya is the winner.

m3thod wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

George W. Bush - managed to turn a global sea of sympathy into a massive mountain of global anger, distrust, derision and resentment.

True, but I'd still rank them as follows:

Worst - Nixon
2. LBJ
3. Dubya
4. Carter
5. Ford
6. Reagan
7. Kennedy
8. George H. W. Bush
9. Clinton
Best - Eisenhower

Iraq has been bad, but Vietnam was even worse.

Nixon cos he lied?
LBJ cos of vietnam?

Funny, you think GW hasn't lied to you?  How was Vietnam worse than Iraq.

How can anyone bash Reagan's economic policy? It was his policy, executed through Alan Greenspan (remember that guy?), that has made the American economy what it is today...pulled from the ashes of the Ford/Carter recession.

It will be a while before we can fully judge how Dubya has done as President. Right now, doesn't look so hot, but then again, neither did Reagan. It takes years for a lot of these policies to be noticeable/fully effective, for good (Reagan) or bad (Carter...see my earlier post).

The thing we have to remember when passing our oh so well-informed judgment here is this: The right thing is not always popular and the popular thing is not always right.

lowing wrote:

Jimmy Carter is the worst, He marks the beginning of the pussification of America and the modern liberal appeasement movement.

DesertFox- wrote:

GATOR591957 wrote:

How was Vietnam worse than Iraq.

About 55,000 more deaths worse.

Yep...