lol i love how ppl love to flame on ppl who are trying to help by making stuff like this its sorta sad and funny at the same time haha, should be thankful marine is doing this
Last edited by CyraX (2007-06-03 20:39:23)
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Ok, so there's no "middle" pixel in the resolutions you assumed these screen shots may have been taken. What's your point? The guy who posted them is illustrating where the bullet actually hits in relation to the sights. It looks like it took a lot of time to assemble and share them so I'm not sure why you would be such a dick. Don't agree with it? Fine. But flaming the guy just makes you look like a tard.ScoutStrike wrote:
If these screens were made in either 1280x1024, 1024x768 or 800x600, you just posted UTTER BULLSHIT.
The unzoomed crosshair is drawn off-center. There is actually NO pixel located at the center of your screen. All the width/height values are even numbers so the middle is between max/2 and max/2 +1, ie 400-401 and 300-301 for 800x600. I fail to see how you managed to paint that center with a lovely red crosshair 1 pixel wide. The real aimpoint is located at the edges of that pathetic crosshair, it's actually a square of 2 by 2 pixels. BUT THEN AGAIN, MAYBE THE FREAKING THING IS IN YOUR ARSE, YOU MORON!
Seriously, nice job on disinforming the noobs. So +1 for that, and maybe some karma for every fucktard that responded to this thread with comments like "Oh thanks, now I can aim properly." GUESS WHAT, YOU STILL CAN'T!
Good luck on doing the sniper rifles without a crosshair. NOOB.
Hence why he's now Banned.fibtech wrote:
Ok, so there's no "middle" pixel in the resolutions you assumed these screen shots may have been taken. What's your point? The guy who posted them is illustrating where the bullet actually hits in relation to the sights. It looks like it took a lot of time to assemble and share them so I'm not sure why you would be such a dick. Don't agree with it? Fine. But flaming the guy just makes you look like a tard.
same here!!G3|Genius wrote:
wow @ MR444 and the MG36
geez. Thanks!
I always HATED the MG...now I know why!! +1 because you taught me something
although i knew about the MR-444 so that wasn't a big deal
damn, maybe now i can use the MG36 with effectiveness?
*loads up SF singleplayer to test
As people say: The game is getting more realistic!!!!
Thanks for a good thread!!!
Thanks for a good thread!!!
ScoutStrike wanted me to relay this message:
He offers his apologies for this one pissed off post, and wants everyone to know that, under his own choosing, he's left BF2s.
He just wanted to say that.
He offers his apologies for this one pissed off post, and wants everyone to know that, under his own choosing, he's left BF2s.
He just wanted to say that.
thx this answers my questions to a lot of weapons =1Marinejuana wrote:
You may need to download and zoom in on the images to use them to their full potential. Ever wondered why X, Y, or Z gun sucks? Well it probably doesn't, many of the guns in BF2 have very misleading iron sights. I didn't bother with sniper rifle scopes or the g36e because i really dont feel like encouraging either and i know that todd angelo and jemme already posted marked sniper scopes for these purposes. I wasnt that enthusiastic about including unlocks but since i was curious about a few, i ended up including most of them.
I simply superimposed a screenshot of each weapon zoomed and unzoomed w photoshop, and then used the straight line tool to draw a full crosshair over the in-game unzoomed crosshair. I can guarantee you that the places I marked are within a pixel of each iron sight "sweet spot."
Assault Rifles
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … /m16-1.jpg
M16
Note that you aim way to the right.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … k101-1.jpg
AK101
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … y/ak47.jpg
AK47
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … ey/l85.jpg
L85
Tip of the iron but aim to the right a bit.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … ley/G3.jpg
G3
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … /f2000.jpg
F2000
Pistols
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … y/92fs.jpg
92FS
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … /qsz92.jpg
QSZ92
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … /mr444.jpg
MR444
Notice how high above the iron the sweet spot sits.
SMGs
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … type85.jpg
TYPE85
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … ey/mp5.jpg
MP5
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … y/pp19.jpg
PP19
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … ey/p90.jpg
P90
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … /mp7-1.jpg
MP7 (Note this is the only weapon in BF2 with bobbing iron sights, they deviate vertically between 4 pixels)
LMGs
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … type95.jpg
TYPE95
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … /rpk74.jpg
RPK74
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … y/m249.jpg
M249
Another weapon that requires aiming well below the target.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … ey/PKM.jpg
PKM
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … y/MG36.jpg
MG36
Look how far down the iron the bullets land.
Carbines
Most of the dot sights are pretty screwy
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … ley/M4.jpg
M4
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … qbz-97.jpg
QBZ97
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … /ak74u.jpg
AK74U
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … y/g36c.jpg
G36C
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/ … SCAR-L.jpg
SCAR-L
I don't feel like posting the G36E one, but i can say its a lot like the MG36. This is a big part of the reason why people that practice on the G36E end up sucking at the AK101 and M16. If you line up an AK101 or M16 exactly the way you would a G36E, then every single shot you fire will go directly over the targets head.Ive posted these numerous times but since they are on topic here, also have a look at these sight pics. The difference is Nero drew them from memory based on what he thinks works best. The main difference you notice is how low he aims the AK101. I also tend to use it this way, and I believe the reason it works is that recoil after your first shot causes the next ones to land further above the labeled "sweet spot," so in reality you want to aim roughly where where Nero marks when you are spamming and go for the spot marked on mine with your first shots. I find the M16 has so much less recoil so that consecutive shots dont appear to cause as much climb and hence Neros drawing shows the placement much lower on the sight than the AK101.Nero wrote:
Sight Screenshots for M16 and AK:
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/ … een114.jpg
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/ … een112.jpg
With recoil what it is, I suggest referring to neros images for most of your vertical alignment and my images for horizontal alignment.
Hmm. This is a Useful Topic. It seems that the weapons aren't too far off where I've been aiming, but it's good to see where I'm going wrong.
Maybe my accuracy will improve further, now.
Maybe my accuracy will improve further, now.
Thanks for sharing
It must have taken quite a while to do all that, it is appreciated.
It must have taken quite a while to do all that, it is appreciated.
im just wondering why nobody took the weapons out for target practice...instead of just running away from the weapon. Kids these days i swear....
The key is to shoot to the left of them and a bit above them.
Ive pretty much picked up most of this all along but never figured out that MR-444 and the MG-36. Interesting. Might be worth adding to the bf2s wiki Marine?
Also...could it be done for the EF weapons too? (FAMAS, L85A2, HK53A3, HK21)
Also...could it be done for the EF weapons too? (FAMAS, L85A2, HK53A3, HK21)
Sad thing is that I spent countless hours on learning how to headshot
meh... just hold the trigger down till the fuckers die....
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Disclaimer: I might, and probably will be wrong, I have read this topic through, but still see why my arguement will not work- if it doesn't tell me nicely, it is only MY POV
What you have posted, many people will find useful, I am thinking (but may be wrong), that it will be irrelevant for the majority of the guns, and here is why.....
Take the M16A2 for example, you tell us to aim slightly to the right.
Even if we aim using the iron sight, the actual place where the shot hits will hit the place we are aiming at, as the difference between the iron sight, and the actual hit, is so similar.
So as long as the thing you are aiming at isn't a pixel in the distance, aiming using the iron sight will still mean head shots.
The same applies for every other weapon, apart from the pistols.
Another problem (unless, I am wrong again), is that this will only work in single shot situation, and even then will not work too efficiently. This is all because of the deviation, which changes depending on whether you are crouching, standing, or prone, and also by the number of shots you have fired previous to that given shot. So, chances are is that you will rarely hit that spot, unless you are in the prone position, and everything else is perfect.
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Disclaimer: I might, and probably will be wrong, I have read this topic through, but still see why my arguement will not work- if it doesn't tell me nicely, it is only MY POV
What you have posted, many people will find useful, I am thinking (but may be wrong), that it will be irrelevant for the majority of the guns, and here is why.....
Take the M16A2 for example, you tell us to aim slightly to the right.
Even if we aim using the iron sight, the actual place where the shot hits will hit the place we are aiming at, as the difference between the iron sight, and the actual hit, is so similar.
So as long as the thing you are aiming at isn't a pixel in the distance, aiming using the iron sight will still mean head shots.
The same applies for every other weapon, apart from the pistols.
Another problem (unless, I am wrong again), is that this will only work in single shot situation, and even then will not work too efficiently. This is all because of the deviation, which changes depending on whether you are crouching, standing, or prone, and also by the number of shots you have fired previous to that given shot. So, chances are is that you will rarely hit that spot, unless you are in the prone position, and everything else is perfect.
Last edited by Titch2349 (2007-06-04 11:24:35)
Note that most actual crosshairs are around a pixel to the left, from then it is just mostly up a pixel or on some occasions, down. Time to go fix my crosshair level, if possible..
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p1198565Ty wrote:
Where was this posted before now...
Bah, doesn't matter. It was abviously lost in the tide of threads. Well done for bringing it back.
nice +1
DoneSnake wrote:
...could it be done for the EF weapons too? (FAMAS, L85A2, HK53A3, HK21)
utterly wrong... unless you only shoot at about 20 meters. but that alone makes you wrong. Select the medic kit, but when you do, pretend you are a sniper that just cant stand still and just has to arrive at a flag soon.Titch2349 wrote:
meh... just hold the trigger down till the fuckers die....
Take the M16A2 for example, you tell us to aim slightly to the right.
Even if we aim using the iron sight, the actual place where the shot hits will hit the place we are aiming at, as the difference between the iron sight, and the actual hit, is so similar.
there is no rule. that would never work with an AK or an mr444 unless you took your good shots by accident. for the most part you just have to memorize (although there are a few that are almost the same as each other).Bull3t wrote:
The key is to shoot to the left of them and a bit above them.
thanks for reposting that, its a shame hardly anyone saw it to begin with. Its also a shame that those images are too compressed to see the critical details. there are about half as many visible pixels.doctastrangelove1964 wrote:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p1198565Marinejuana wrote:
Well in this form this wasn't posted until today because I painstakingly made these images for like 3 hours this morning. However I know that jemme and todd angelo have posted similar SS of the sniper rifles off center scopes and I even seem to recall like a year ago that somebody may have posted other shots like this of some of the weapons. I definitely know you can find similar images set up for chopper pilots at secretsofbattlefield.com.Ty wrote:
Where was this posted before now...
Bah, doesn't matter. It was abviously lost in the tide of threads. Well done for bringing it back.
Last edited by Marinejuana (2007-06-08 07:03:21)
My aim is quite ok so far, but this might help me to improve
Thx a lot and +1
Thx a lot and +1
think much?
If you aim in the right spot you either will hit, if your accuracy is high enough, or your chances of getting a hit will increase.
I never knew about the AK ironsights, and having tried the new point to aim with I hit more often that before. On single shot, I hit on long range shots a lot more.
If you aim in the right spot you either will hit, if your accuracy is high enough, or your chances of getting a hit will increase.
I never knew about the AK ironsights, and having tried the new point to aim with I hit more often that before. On single shot, I hit on long range shots a lot more.
I would +1 for all that work but it seems i dont have enough posts.
Its been covered a couple of times on both the TotalBf2 forums and the Project Reality forums.Ty wrote:
Where was this posted before now...
Bah, doesn't matter. It was abviously lost in the tide of threads. Well done for bringing it back.
Doesnt matter though, because I cannt remember it being posted here so Marinejuana did a good job. Plus it gives me additional screenies for a small Tech Guide for Snipers I am writing.
Just to muse Marinejuana and help him complete his post here I will drop the screenies+text (part of my Tech Guide) of the of center reticles of the Sniper Rifles ...
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Most Snipers in this game probably know that the center of screen doesnt match the center of the reticle of your scope. The center of the screen is what the game-engine uses for reference in determining if you are on target.
However the information on the discrepancy between center of screen and reticle was only taken from testing in a 1024 x 768 format. Recent testing done by ScoutStrike showed an entirely different story for 1280 x 1024. Check the pictures below for the differences ...
The reason for choosing a square to depict the center of the screen is the following;
The coordinate system runs from x = 0-1023 and y = 0-767 (which gives 1024x768 pixels)
The center is actually located at x = 1023/2 = 511.5 and y = 767/2 = 383.5, but since there is no pixel at that exact coordinate, the best approximation would be to draw a square around x = 511-512 and y = 383-384. The hit point is the middle of the square.
The same goes for the 1280 x 1024 pictures.
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of ze hebben gewoon de hele scope HUD 1 pixel naar rechts geschoven, zodat het wel mooi uitkomt
lijkt me net iets logischer..
lijkt me net iets logischer..
B'jesus! I'm always so pissed if I tried to aim down to pixel level the strain would knock me out! Live and die by the random power of beer aimage
This thread is helpful thanks +1
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