BF2S Forums BF2 Myth: being teamkilled for vehicles is bad.

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Its no less then what all you fagots deserve.

i was in that round, and that tard tked me as well im gunna hunt him down

He's not saying he is a vehical Teamkiller, he's saying that if someone pushes in front of him for a jet, when its blatently his turn then he TK's. He doesn't mention once about TK for every jet all the time, like some muppets in the game. They are the ones you want to hunt down and rape to fuck.

I'm sure if it wasn't Sarge's turn he would let whoever is in front of him go with no TK, as that is his "waiting for a jet" policy. If he does well then his entire post and this thread would be a complete waste of time, something i doubt he would do considering he probably games along side alot of you.

Let me oversimplify this further

situation:

Having joined Kubra for some flying, I stand at a jet spawn
player B spawns
Player B does not wait nor ask
Player B gets the jet by chance
player B gets team killed

Situation 2:

Player B is waiting for the jet
I spawn
I see player B
Player B gets it

Situation 2.1:

Player B then dies
I'm now waiting for the jet
Player B tries to get it again
Player B dies.

Situation 3:

I'm waiting for a jet
I'm taking off
Player B teamkills me and takes it
I make sure he dies and stays dead

POINT: Not standing in line is, in my opinion, more than enough reason to be forced into it. If people jump queue or try to steal a vehicle, theyre gone.

It seems that some people think that ANY TK'ing is so bad it can never be justified. Some even think that teamkilling in battlefield 2 equals murdering someone in real life (Jord?). Intentional teamkilling for selfish reasons, such as being able to take a vehicle from a player who was waiting, is bad. It seems that my analogy didn't get through to him, so I'll explain it again:

Queues in real situations compared to battlefield 2

At a store:

You're standing in line. somebody forces their way in front of you. your response: you tell them to fuck off, in whatever way you prefer

In BF2:

You're standing in line. Somebody forces their way in front of you. My response: I tell them to fuck off. The only way to do is by team killing them.

Now, compare the sanctions: In the store, you can do all kinds of things, but none of them are particularly bad. You can tell them to get out, push them out, whatever. In BF2, you do the same relatively: You kill them and they come back to life in 15 seconds.

So no, teamkilling somebody in BF2 is not the same as murdering someone and therefore I shouldn't have to stop doing it because it's just as bad.

I agree with Sarge tbh.

ProudLimey wrote:

It all depends on what the server rules are. If they are no TKing, then you should not TK *WHATEVER* the case. There are no excuses for it. Not only does it show impatience but it hinders the team. The same goes for waiting for planes. Let's face it, there is a general code throughout BF2 that if someone enters a jet before you, then you politely move out of the way and let them take off. The assholes are usually the ones who either TK or stand in front of the jet as some dumb form of 'vengeance'. That is sour grapes to the extreme.

In my experience, players who TK for vehicles get kicked straight away when there is an active admin. They often tend to be the immature ones,  and the tking for vehicles is their equivalent to throwing a tantrum. So I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you about that.

As for the waiting for the helicopter I am more sympathetic as I often fly with friends, but again there is no reason at all to TK someone for getting to the chopper before you. Just wait until next time. I'm sure lots of people have their own rules on justifying their TKing, but that doesn't make them correct. The most simple thing to do is not to TK in the first place.

Very well put. Couldn't agree more.

when u go to the store and you want to get to the head of the line, you dont shoot the person in front of you..

Depending on the specific server rules:
1) wait in queue for your turn in the vehicle; nice, but poor gameplay if 4 players stand idle at spawn (arty- fodder )
2) first come, first serve: everybody at the  helipad press E, those who get in fly away, the rest MOVE ON, on feet, by jeep or whatever.

In both cases no need to teamkill.

I am in favour of the 2nd option.

well, I don't like to see people fly helos or jets and two seconds later they killed or they just crash, especially in the time of need when you need air support.

but at the same time, what if it was done to you? 

Kind of one sided don't you think?  But if it was me I wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger myself at an idiot who can't do anything right with a vehicle.

Last edited by link52787 (2007-06-01 11:07:32)

Who the fuck says theres a line you have to wait in?

SargeV1.4 wrote:

You're playing Battlefield 2. A guy is waiting for a jet. The tag above his head reads "SargeV1.4". You do not say anything, you do not attempt to communicate, you just run straight towards where he's standing, block him, and ram e hoping you'll get it. By luck, you get the jet. You're about to take off, when you suddenly die. At the top of the screen is the message "SargeV1.4 [TeamKills] You". You get angry. you finally have the decency to say something, even if it's barely legible crap. You spend the rest of your round teamkilling him. And yet somehow you think that you're completely right in your actions and that SargeV1.4 is an asshole.

And he is absolutly right: You are an asshole (if you teamkill him).

Your name is SargeV1.4. And? Who cares? My name is GameOver(HUN). And? What's then? NOTHING.  By the way can you see your name on the jet? No. Why not? BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOURS. IT BELONGS TO WHOEVER GETS IN IT FIRST and not to whoever is waiting for it for a longer time.

And nobody cares that you are maybe more skilled at that vehicle than the guy who hopped in the vehicle before you. He has the same right to use that vehicle as you - independently of the fact that he is not as skilled at it than you, and the fact that he probably won't be as useful for the team as you would be. He bought the game, he payed for it. Just like you or me. And he bought it to use vehicles and not to being teamkilled by a bumptious player who thinks that it's his own vehicle.

I am a quite good chopper flyer, and I love flying choppers. And to tell the truth I am more useful for my team if I fly one, than a lot of other players, but I never teamkill for it. If somebody gets in it before me I don't get mad (just like a 2-year-old child, from whom somebody took away his toy). I look for another vehicle and try to be useful in another way.

It doesn't matter your name, your rank, your skill. None of these authorize you to teamkill your teammates. It doesn't matter for what reason you are teamkilling, if you teamkill someone intentionally you are an asshole.

SargeV1.4 wrote:

"every action has a consequence." This saying is appropriate for me teamkilling people in Battlefield 2 - A lack of communication and decency will cause me to teamkill you for your inappropriate behaviour. I'm really quite nice, if you'd just have the common sense to take a few seconds out to talk.

Sorry mate, I can't see the point of what you are talking about. What does lack of communicate have to do with teamkilling? What is the connection between the two things? I usually play as a lone wolf, I don't communicate with anybody, and I still can play without teamkilling, and I absolutly don't care that my teammates don't talk to me. Why should I teamkill them for not talking to me? I cannot understand this, I cannot see the correlation. It's enough for me that I can see, that his name is blue, thats all what I need, and I won't shoot at him, I don't need his communication at all to know that he is my teammate and not my enemy.


And one question more: Why don't you kill the enemy instead of teammates? Usually there are a lot of enemies on the server. Oh yes, I know, I know, it's much difficult to kill the enemy...

Last edited by GameOver (2007-06-01 12:29:00)

I totally understand what Sarge is saying. But personally I don't like to stoop to peoples' levels. I've done it on several occasions, although very rare, and I didn't like at all doing it.

If players will continue with this attitude we can all wish BF2 to RIP. Better to set an example where you can.

stand in line.. lol.. sorry to break it to u buddy, this aint the line at the mini mart.. whoever gets in, it's theirs.. i get tked for it, i tk em back til server kicks me, or i kick/ban em on the server(s) i admin