Quite, thankyou
Last edited by RicardoBlanco (2007-04-26 11:15:15)
lmao - keep quiet you
I love #10, it was a response to Katrina and the fact that everyone bitch the us of the national guard was inefective at the time. So what did they get, give the feds more power. Becarefull what you complain about.
The UK has far greater surveillance then the US does.
Pot kettle black.
Pot kettle black.
well we have lots of CCTV and it catches plenty of criminals and even caught the London bombers. What about the other 9 points?theelviscerator wrote:
The UK has far greater surveillance then the US does.
Pot kettle black.
Has anyone here ever read Sam Keen? He expounds on this type of behavior in contemporary society in Faces of The Enemy
theelviscerator, the UK isnt calling anyone anything. the article does not say the UK is free from of any one of these points or imply that it is.
stop feeling victimised and answer whats at hand.
stop feeling victimised and answer whats at hand.
Depends what sort of surveillance you're talking about.theelviscerator wrote:
The UK has far greater surveillance then the US does.
Pot kettle black.
Um, cam, Hitler was democratically elected. In one day he forced the reich to pass legislation eliminating the position of president and declaring himself fuhrer. It can't be that hard can it?CameronPoe wrote:
They are far far away from several of those 10 points - some of them are horribly accurate but a few are hyped and blown out of all proportion. I can't see how they could possibly take a jump from free elections to none at all - a necessary step towards a fascist dictatorship - unless of course you follow Nine Inch Nails' take on how it will occur (in the year 2024 I think NIN predict....).
Do I think Bush is trying to do the same thing? No. Could he? Yes.
I think people would notice if suddenly the entire Democratic delegation to Congress failed to show up for a vote giving Bush lifetime presidential powers. Besides, they couldn't do it without an amendment to the Constitutions, and the states would never do something like that.jonsimon wrote:
Um, cam, Hitler was democratically elected. In one day he forced the reich to pass legislation eliminating the position of president and declaring himself fuhrer. It can't be that hard can it?CameronPoe wrote:
They are far far away from several of those 10 points - some of them are horribly accurate but a few are hyped and blown out of all proportion. I can't see how they could possibly take a jump from free elections to none at all - a necessary step towards a fascist dictatorship - unless of course you follow Nine Inch Nails' take on how it will occur (in the year 2024 I think NIN predict....).
Do I think Bush is trying to do the same thing? No. Could he? Yes.
USA the only country they will actually try and swim to.
Why don't you do a poll about which country is well past its " Glory Days "
and can barely knock over a fruit stand in the south atlantic !
Why don't you do a poll about which country is well past its " Glory Days "
and can barely knock over a fruit stand in the south atlantic !
This is just as lame as the attempts to paint Democrats as communists. There's a list of 10 points used to get to a Communist revolution circulated around, and (surprise surprise) a number of them are painted after Democratic positions.
http://www.snopes.com/language/document/commrule.htm
Obviously dumb things like the letter in the OP and this are just pointless smear tactics.
http://www.snopes.com/language/document/commrule.htm
Obviously dumb things like the letter in the OP and this are just pointless smear tactics.
Spain?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
USA the only country they will actually try and swim to.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3561732.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5142066.stm
And Britain! They get safely to France and then risk their lives again climbing about lorries to get to Blighty. I don't know what that says about France?
2,000 a fooking moth in 2002 and that's only the illegal ones!
http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/Franco-Bri … on-on.html
2,000 a fooking moth in 2002 and that's only the illegal ones!
http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/Franco-Bri … on-on.html
Doesn't everyone think "That could never happen to me" before it does?UGADawgs wrote:
I think people would notice if suddenly the entire Democratic delegation to Congress failed to show up for a vote giving Bush lifetime presidential powers. Besides, they couldn't do it without an amendment to the Constitutions, and the states would never do something like that.jonsimon wrote:
Um, cam, Hitler was democratically elected. In one day he forced the reich to pass legislation eliminating the position of president and declaring himself fuhrer. It can't be that hard can it?CameronPoe wrote:
They are far far away from several of those 10 points - some of them are horribly accurate but a few are hyped and blown out of all proportion. I can't see how they could possibly take a jump from free elections to none at all - a necessary step towards a fascist dictatorship - unless of course you follow Nine Inch Nails' take on how it will occur (in the year 2024 I think NIN predict....).
Do I think Bush is trying to do the same thing? No. Could he? Yes.
Doesn't 999/1000 times someone thinks that it doesn't happen after all?jonsimon wrote:
Doesn't everyone think "That could never happen to me" before it does?UGADawgs wrote:
I think people would notice if suddenly the entire Democratic delegation to Congress failed to show up for a vote giving Bush lifetime presidential powers. Besides, they couldn't do it without an amendment to the Constitutions, and the states would never do something like that.jonsimon wrote:
Um, cam, Hitler was democratically elected. In one day he forced the reich to pass legislation eliminating the position of president and declaring himself fuhrer. It can't be that hard can it?
Do I think Bush is trying to do the same thing? No. Could he? Yes.
Lets say there is a statistical probability of the event occuring. Suppose the event is happening to a nation and suppose nations are timeless. Suppose, also, that as time progresses more people think "That could never happen to us." Then, as time approaches infinity, the statistical probability of the event approaches 1, or 100%.Miller wrote:
Doesn't 999/1000 times someone thinks that it doesn't happen after all?jonsimon wrote:
Doesn't everyone think "That could never happen to me" before it does?UGADawgs wrote:
I think people would notice if suddenly the entire Democratic delegation to Congress failed to show up for a vote giving Bush lifetime presidential powers. Besides, they couldn't do it without an amendment to the Constitutions, and the states would never do something like that.
In otherwords, statistically speaking, it doesn't matter if only 1/1000 times the even occurs, given time the liklihood increases.
That's very true, but look at how young the US is to other nations. There is a very small chance at this point in time. Not to say that it won't increase in time.jonsimon wrote:
Lets say there is a statistical probability of the event occuring. Suppose the event is happening to a nation and suppose nations are timeless. Suppose, also, that as time progresses more people think "That could never happen to us." Then, as time approaches infinity, the statistical probability of the event approaches 1, or 100%.Miller wrote:
Doesn't 999/1000 times someone thinks that it doesn't happen after all?jonsimon wrote:
Doesn't everyone think "That could never happen to me" before it does?
In otherwords, statistically speaking, it doesn't matter if only 1/1000 times the even occurs, given time the liklihood increases.
We all are. Here in Germany politicians are discussing a law which would allow the "Verfassungsschutz" (Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution) the BND (Secret Service) and the Federal Police to spy out your computer secretly by a trojan. A trojan which no anti-virus publisher would be allowed to sell a countermeasure.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
The UK is rapidly heading the same way.
Some of you are warning of Orwell and his vision of 1984 to come? Oh no, don't warn, do something, because he is actually right at our asses.
Whats the point?crimson_grunt wrote:
well we have lots of CCTV and it catches plenty of criminals and even caught the London bombers. What about the other 9 points?theelviscerator wrote:
The UK has far greater surveillance then the US does.
Pot kettle black.
When you pull one card from a house of cards it all falls.
BOOYA!
I agree, It's one of the problems with a mixed economy, mixed being capitalist/statist.
If the trend continues we will become either fascist,socialist or communist.
I for one will not stand for it & will do everything in my power to fight for capitalism the only system that supports mans right to exist for his own sake.
I can't do it alone though & we will need a major change in ideology in this country to accomplish it which seems a bigger task than setting up a free government in Iraq, but isn't it a fight worth fighting?
I think so.
If the trend continues we will become either fascist,socialist or communist.
I for one will not stand for it & will do everything in my power to fight for capitalism the only system that supports mans right to exist for his own sake.
I can't do it alone though & we will need a major change in ideology in this country to accomplish it which seems a bigger task than setting up a free government in Iraq, but isn't it a fight worth fighting?
I think so.
Not if it's one of the top cards, touchetheelviscerator wrote:
Whats the point?crimson_grunt wrote:
well we have lots of CCTV and it catches plenty of criminals and even caught the London bombers. What about the other 9 points?theelviscerator wrote:
The UK has far greater surveillance then the US does.
Pot kettle black.
When you pull one card from a house of cards it all falls.
BOOYA!
Cause using lots of CCTV in the street as a crime prevention measures is the same as wiretaping phones & reading emails to spy on the public isn't it? When the government puts CCTV at work or in my house to watch me you can get back to me.theelviscerator wrote:
Whats the point?crimson_grunt wrote:
well we have lots of CCTV and it catches plenty of criminals and even caught the London bombers. What about the other 9 points?theelviscerator wrote:
The UK has far greater surveillance then the US does.
Pot kettle black.
When you pull one card from a house of cards it all falls.
BOOYA!
If i say BOOYA does that mean i also need nothing to back up my point?
Whenever I get caught on CCTV I'm out in public and don't expect the kind of privacy I'd get in my home. When the guy in the control room is watching people he isn't thinking "There's Joe Blogs of 123 Quality Street", he's thinking "There's a random guy who isn't commiting any crime". CCTV is anonymous until you do something you shouldn't and I'm happy with that.