Thats your opinion, thats whats great about the US, you can voice it. I also suppose it is good that Dole hasnt had to pay for protection for their banana farms yet, so you can still buy those.
I used to feel that way.... but now, I'm actually starting to welcome the thought of a climatic catastrophe, a nuclear war, or a meteor eliminating us.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Such cynacism... I agree with your assessment, mostly. I guess I have this little demented area in the back of my brain that still believes that humans can acheive a more utopian society for everyone, without having to exploit and step on people to get to the top.Turquoise wrote:
I hate to say it, but I'm starting to think it's just the way of the world. All terrorism included....
If you think about it, the War on Terror is rather futile, and with the world's priorities being what they are, we'll continue to see governments and corporations fund terror. It doesn't make it right, but it's basically inevitable....
I guess the best you can do is make a buck while dodging the crossfire. Between the agendas of the military industrial complex, the War on Drugs, and the growing problems of the world in terms of pollution, it's just a matter of continuing a short life on the planet while the powers that be throw people like you and me at each other.
Get rich or die trying... so to speak.
Don't get me wrong; it's not that I hate everyone. I just feel like humanity has run its course. It's time for something different to inhabit this planet. It's been a nice ride, but we seem ultimately doomed to oppress and vex each other. Technology seems to be our only true achievement as a species.
Ironically technology is what has been keeping the human race ahead of Malthusan prophecy.
Thomas Malthus... interesting guy... I need to read more of his stuff....
Agreed.ATG wrote:
This is silly. The government of the region and the United States do shit to stop the narco-terrorist ( or at least, not enough ) and everybody wants to see Chiquita ass raped.
Kind of reminds me of those who say arrest the small business owner because he hires illegal aliens and turn around and votes for asshole politicians who don't seal the border.
Seconded.Bubbalo wrote:
Agreed.ATG wrote:
This is silly. The government of the region and the United States do shit to stop the narco-terrorist ( or at least, not enough ) and everybody wants to see Chiquita ass raped.
Kind of reminds me of those who say arrest the small business owner because he hires illegal aliens and turn around and votes for asshole politicians who don't seal the border.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
So the company bears no responsibility, and it is the Colombian Government's fault that these paramilitary groups prosper? Clearly these groups don't prosper as a direct result of us (the US) dumping ridiculous amounts of resources into the regionBubbalo wrote:
Agreed.ATG wrote:
This is silly. The government of the region and the United States do shit to stop the narco-terrorist ( or at least, not enough ) and everybody wants to see Chiquita ass raped.
Kind of reminds me of those who say arrest the small business owner because he hires illegal aliens and turn around and votes for asshole politicians who don't seal the border.
You would think that with all the "Military Advisors" we have down there that Chiquita could hire some American Forces.
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Except that:
1) US soldiers aren't for sale
2) They would have to hire enough to beat the para-military groups, rather than just enough to pacify them (much less)
1) US soldiers aren't for sale
2) They would have to hire enough to beat the para-military groups, rather than just enough to pacify them (much less)
Actually economics is a reason for war. Although in this case its completely bananas.Bubbalo wrote:
Except that:
1) US soldiers aren't for sale
2) They would have to hire enough to beat the para-military groups, rather than just enough to pacify them (much less)
Hahaha.
Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
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way to bring the debate to the table buddy.<BoTM>J_Aero wrote:
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The poorest regions of Colombia, which is most likely where Chiquita is growing bananas, are in good part controlled by such groups. Chiquita has no choice but to pay them to do business, its not like Chiquita sponsors their actions.Turquoise wrote:
It sounds like we aren't accomplishing much in Colombia if this kind of thing is necessary.ATG wrote:
I'm saying that if the governments of a growing region are incapable of wiping out the bad guys we shouldn't come down a company doing legit business for paying " protection " money. As I understand it people from that company have been kidnapped and killed.
You call it funding terror, I call it the price of doing business in Colombia.
Either we should crush these cartels unconditionally or leave the place the hell alone.
Its a much easier task to fix Iraq than to crush these cartels. These guys excel at jungle warfare, and are well armed and supplied. Marines would become snake food over there...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
In allot of countries you gota pay the local hoods to do business. Just happens that these local hoods are terrorists.
Well, I mean, if we really wanted to fight cartels in the jungle effectively, daisy-cutters work wonders. So does napalm.EVieira wrote:
The poorest regions of Colombia, which is most likely where Chiquita is growing bananas, are in good part controlled by such groups. Chiquita has no choice but to pay them to do business, its not like Chiquita sponsors their actions.Turquoise wrote:
It sounds like we aren't accomplishing much in Colombia if this kind of thing is necessary.ATG wrote:
I'm saying that if the governments of a growing region are incapable of wiping out the bad guys we shouldn't come down a company doing legit business for paying " protection " money. As I understand it people from that company have been kidnapped and killed.
You call it funding terror, I call it the price of doing business in Colombia.
Either we should crush these cartels unconditionally or leave the place the hell alone.
Its a much easier task to fix Iraq than to crush these cartels. These guys excel at jungle warfare, and are well armed and supplied. Marines would become snake food over there...
Yeah, I know we failed in Vietnam, but that's because we didn't have the balls to bomb the hell out of Hanoi from the get-go.
Ken, if you're going to have a serious debate, don't have a serious mis-spelling in the thread title, k? I'm not being a grammar nazi, but c'mon, dude, sponsOrship, k?
I doubt Chiquita pays them to bomb enemy banana farms. It's personal security. Unfortunately, that same security might do bad things.
When a rapper hires a known criminal thug for protection and guard, should we arrest the rapper for funding the thugs criminal activities?
When a rapper hires a known criminal thug for protection and guard, should we arrest the rapper for funding the thugs criminal activities?
lol, we have these guys for that;Bubbalo wrote:
Hahaha.
Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
I would... but then again, I think a lot of rappers are scum anyway.
Those fuckers overcharge us. We shouldn't commit to an invasion unless we have enough genuine soldiers for the job. Privatizing war just fucks the taxpayer.ATG wrote:
lol, we have these guys for that;Bubbalo wrote:
Hahaha.
Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
Yeah, but could they win a fight against local guerillas who'll probably outnumber them?ATG wrote:
lol, we have these guys for that;Bubbalo wrote:
Hahaha.
Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
No ROE, no living witnesses.Bubbalo wrote:
Yeah, but could they win a fight against local guerillas who'll probably outnumber them?ATG wrote:
lol, we have these guys for that;Bubbalo wrote:
Hahaha.
Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
No problem.
If they were fully unleashed.
You really are a fool if you think that. An indigenous forces will always win eventually, excepting surrender. And I doubt they'll surrender.ATG wrote:
No ROE, no living witnesses.Bubbalo wrote:
Yeah, but could they win a fight against local guerillas who'll probably outnumber them?
No problem.
If they were fully unleashed.
Hmmm, the American Indians didn't win. I don't think the Aborigines won against you either, did they???Bubbalo wrote:
You really are a fool if you think that. An indigenous forces will always win eventually, excepting surrender. And I doubt they'll surrender.ATG wrote:
No ROE, no living witnesses.Bubbalo wrote:
Yeah, but could they win a fight against local guerillas who'll probably outnumber them?
No problem.
If they were fully unleashed.
Good points, lowing. I was actually about to post something like that.
Most societies that exist today were not indigenous to the areas they currently reside in.
Most societies that exist today were not indigenous to the areas they currently reside in.