Canin
Conservative Roman Catholic
+280|6924|Foothills of S. Carolina

Thats your opinion, thats whats great about the US, you can voice it. I also suppose it is good that Dole hasnt had to pay for protection for their banana farms yet, so you can still buy those.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6854|North Carolina

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I hate to say it, but I'm starting to think it's just the way of the world.  All terrorism included....

If you think about it, the War on Terror is rather futile, and with the world's priorities being what they are, we'll continue to see governments and corporations fund terror.  It doesn't make it right, but it's basically inevitable....

I guess the best you can do is make a buck while dodging the crossfire.  Between the agendas of the military industrial complex, the War on Drugs, and the growing problems of the world in terms of pollution, it's just a matter of continuing a short life on the planet while the powers that be throw people like you and me at each other.

Get rich or die trying...  so to speak.
Such cynacism... I agree with your assessment, mostly.  I guess I have this little demented area in the back of my brain that still believes that humans can acheive a more utopian society for everyone, without having to exploit and step on people to get to the top.
I used to feel that way....  but now, I'm actually starting to welcome the thought of a climatic catastrophe, a nuclear war, or a meteor eliminating us.

Don't get me wrong; it's not that I hate everyone.  I just feel like humanity has run its course.  It's time for something different to inhabit this planet.  It's been a nice ride, but we seem ultimately doomed to oppress and vex each other.  Technology seems to be our only true achievement as a species.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7081|949

Ironically technology is what has been keeping the human race ahead of Malthusan prophecy.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6854|North Carolina
Thomas Malthus...  interesting guy...  I need to read more of his stuff....
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7010

ATG wrote:

This is silly. The government of the region and the United States do shit to stop the narco-terrorist ( or at least, not enough ) and everybody wants to see Chiquita ass raped.

Kind of reminds me of those who say arrest the small business owner because he hires illegal aliens and turn around and votes for asshole politicians who don't seal the border.
Agreed.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7123|Canberra, AUS

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:

This is silly. The government of the region and the United States do shit to stop the narco-terrorist ( or at least, not enough ) and everybody wants to see Chiquita ass raped.

Kind of reminds me of those who say arrest the small business owner because he hires illegal aliens and turn around and votes for asshole politicians who don't seal the border.
Agreed.
Seconded.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7081|949

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:

This is silly. The government of the region and the United States do shit to stop the narco-terrorist ( or at least, not enough ) and everybody wants to see Chiquita ass raped.

Kind of reminds me of those who say arrest the small business owner because he hires illegal aliens and turn around and votes for asshole politicians who don't seal the border.
Agreed.
So the company bears no responsibility, and it is the Colombian Government's fault that these paramilitary groups prosper?  Clearly these groups don't prosper as a direct result of us (the US) dumping ridiculous amounts of resources into the region

You would think that with all the "Military Advisors" we have down there that Chiquita could hire some American Forces.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-03-19 22:29:17)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7010
Except that:

1)  US soldiers aren't for sale

2)  They would have to hire enough to beat the para-military groups, rather than just enough to pacify them (much less)
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6991|Texas - Bigger than France

Bubbalo wrote:

Except that:

1)  US soldiers aren't for sale

2)  They would have to hire enough to beat the para-military groups, rather than just enough to pacify them (much less)
Actually economics is a reason for war.  Although in this case its completely bananas.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7010
Hahaha.

Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
<BoTM>J_Aero
Qualified Expert
+62|6914|Melbourne - Home of Football
If no one else has mentioned it, please learn to spell, or use the button below. (Directed at topic creator).

Last edited by <BoTM>J_Aero (2007-03-20 00:05:49)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7081|949

<BoTM>J_Aero wrote:

If no one else has mentioned it, please learn to spell, or use the button below. (Directed at topic creator).
way to bring the debate to the table buddy.
EVieira
Member
+105|6927|Lutenblaag, Molvania

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

I'm saying that if the governments of a growing region are incapable of wiping out the bad guys we shouldn't come down a company doing legit business for paying " protection " money. As I understand it people from that company have been kidnapped and killed.

You call it funding terror, I call it the price of doing business in Colombia.
It sounds like we aren't accomplishing much in Colombia if this kind of thing is necessary.

Either we should crush these cartels unconditionally or leave the place the hell alone.
The poorest regions of Colombia, which is most likely where Chiquita is growing bananas, are in good part controlled by such groups. Chiquita has no choice but to pay them to do business, its not like Chiquita sponsors their actions.

Its a much easier task to fix Iraq than to crush these cartels. These guys excel at jungle warfare, and are well armed and supplied. Marines would become snake food over there...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
JahManRed
wank
+646|7077|IRELAND

In allot of countries you gota pay the local hoods to do business. Just happens that these local hoods are terrorists.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6854|North Carolina

EVieira wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

I'm saying that if the governments of a growing region are incapable of wiping out the bad guys we shouldn't come down a company doing legit business for paying " protection " money. As I understand it people from that company have been kidnapped and killed.

You call it funding terror, I call it the price of doing business in Colombia.
It sounds like we aren't accomplishing much in Colombia if this kind of thing is necessary.

Either we should crush these cartels unconditionally or leave the place the hell alone.
The poorest regions of Colombia, which is most likely where Chiquita is growing bananas, are in good part controlled by such groups. Chiquita has no choice but to pay them to do business, its not like Chiquita sponsors their actions.

Its a much easier task to fix Iraq than to crush these cartels. These guys excel at jungle warfare, and are well armed and supplied. Marines would become snake food over there...
Well, I mean, if we really wanted to fight cartels in the jungle effectively, daisy-cutters work wonders.  So does napalm.

Yeah, I know we failed in Vietnam, but that's because we didn't have the balls to bomb the hell out of Hanoi from the get-go.
[1stSSF]=Nuka=
Banned
+23|7199|PDX Metro Area, OR, US, SOL
Ken, if you're going to have a serious debate, don't have a serious mis-spelling in the thread title, k? I'm not being a grammar nazi, but c'mon, dude, sponsOrship, k?
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6929|Somewhere else

I doubt Chiquita pays them to bomb enemy banana farms.  It's personal security. Unfortunately, that same security might do bad things. 

When a rapper hires a known criminal thug for protection and guard, should we arrest the rapper for funding the thugs criminal activities?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6978|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

Hahaha.

Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
lol, we have these guys for that;
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6854|North Carolina
I would...  but then again, I think a lot of rappers are scum anyway.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6854|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Hahaha.

Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
lol, we have these guys for that;
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
Those fuckers overcharge us.  We shouldn't commit to an invasion unless we have enough genuine soldiers for the job.  Privatizing war just fucks the taxpayer.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7010

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Hahaha.

Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
lol, we have these guys for that;
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
Yeah, but could they win a fight against local guerillas who'll probably outnumber them?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6978|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Hahaha.

Economics is certainly a reason for war, but US soldiers aren't mercenaries.
lol, we have these guys for that;
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
Yeah, but could they win a fight against local guerillas who'll probably outnumber them?
No ROE, no living witnesses.

No problem.

If they were fully unleashed.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7010

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:


lol, we have these guys for that;
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/employment/
Yeah, but could they win a fight against local guerillas who'll probably outnumber them?
No ROE, no living witnesses.

No problem.

If they were fully unleashed.
You really are a fool if you think that.  An indigenous forces will always win eventually, excepting surrender.  And I doubt they'll surrender.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7100|USA

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


Yeah, but could they win a fight against local guerillas who'll probably outnumber them?
No ROE, no living witnesses.

No problem.

If they were fully unleashed.
You really are a fool if you think that.  An indigenous forces will always win eventually, excepting surrender.  And I doubt they'll surrender.
Hmmm, the American Indians didn't win. I don't think the Aborigines won against you either, did they???
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6854|North Carolina
Good points, lowing.  I was actually about to post something like that.

Most societies that exist today were not indigenous to the areas they currently reside in.

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