Cameron mentioned serotonin, and it could be that this girl was one of millions of people that has an inability to retransmit serotonin from one neuron to another, and that's a main factor for depression. If this is true, she would have needed medication like SSRI's, a.k.a. Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors, a class of antidepressants, used to combat depression and other anxiety disorders.CameronPoe wrote:
It can be one or more of several reasons, one of which is an inability to produce enough serotonin (i.e. a chemial imbalance). It certainly doesn't ALWAYS have to be about emotional instability.jarhedch wrote:
not a chemical imbalance, not often actually (my wife's in her final year of an MA with honors in psychology, we were just talking about this), it mostly has to do with Emotional instability.
R.I.P.
Suicide can't be explained. I contemplated it once; not one thing was going my way, school was hell, parents were getting divoced, and my brother had just died in a car accident. I just sat in my living room one night with a 9 MM in my lap just thinking about lifes questions. Why are we here? Is life worth all this pain? What happens after death? At the end of the night I felt better. If I hadn't of I would've did it; not a doubt in my mind. Things were that bad.
But I can tell from experience that things do get better. I'm now working on my Civil Engineering degree. My dad career is BOOMING. But as for my brother, it still troubles me at night, but I know he's in a better place. The quality of the person is not gathered by how high one reaches, but how high one bounces back up after hitting rock bottom, and believe me, everyone does at one point or another.
Suicide can't be explained. I contemplated it once; not one thing was going my way, school was hell, parents were getting divoced, and my brother had just died in a car accident. I just sat in my living room one night with a 9 MM in my lap just thinking about lifes questions. Why are we here? Is life worth all this pain? What happens after death? At the end of the night I felt better. If I hadn't of I would've did it; not a doubt in my mind. Things were that bad.
But I can tell from experience that things do get better. I'm now working on my Civil Engineering degree. My dad career is BOOMING. But as for my brother, it still troubles me at night, but I know he's in a better place. The quality of the person is not gathered by how high one reaches, but how high one bounces back up after hitting rock bottom, and believe me, everyone does at one point or another.
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wow so even with all your knowledge about it cant you fight it off or is it like a totally differnet mindset kinda of like ur a different person?CameronPoe wrote:
The medication has a long cycle so the effects of ceasing to take it would not be felt for at least a few weeks. You kind of build up a deposit of it in your system that would deplete slowly if you stopped. It is impossible to put into words the abject depths to which the mind can plunge, so completely irrational. I can almost empathise with what it might be like to be insane, so irrational do your thoughts become. Paranoia, complete absence of self-confidence, 24/7 hollow feeling in your chest, a bleak bleak blackness in the future in which you can see no hope or point in suffering through - things that, when healthy, you realise are completely ridiculous, but in that state you just cannot control your mind. You come to be at the mercy of a malicious unconscious mind deep underneath the surface of your mind, constantly trying to grind you down from the inside. I would not kill myself but I know, as I knew when I started medication, that I could not continue to suffer as I did for much longer. The medication is designed that you become used to having adequate levels of serotonin and your mind should pick up the slack production-wise, at which point you can slowly wean yourself off it. The drugs are not addictive. I just haven't properly attempted to come off them yet. I did it once, far too quickly, and had the most monstrous 24/7 headache for about a week and a half, at which point I started taking them again.deadawakeing wrote:
intreseting, what happens if you stop taking the medication are you depressed 24/7 how what is the severity of the depression, enough to kill yourself?CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression and take medication for same and I can tell you that it is completely impossible for someone who does not suffer from depression to empathise with the way in which a truly clinically depressed persons mind works. Being rejected by her boyfriend was likely only a trigger that prompted her to carry out the suicide, the underlying depression that led to her suicide probably being far far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I can see from a lot of the childish remarks on this thread that some people are very poorly educated about matters of the health of the human mind. You should all shut the fuck up, you really have no idea. Read some psychology books maybe.
My depression is a hereditarily received chemical imbalance that I have had since I can remember, the only solution being medication. No amount of counselling would affect it. Thanks to modern science I can live a full and normal life. If people were better educated about matters of the mind and could spot the tell-tale signs in those that suffer, many needless suicides could be avoided.
Believe me I tried EVERYTHING to work my way through it on my own and with the help of friends and family before finally, through necessity and exhaustion, resorting to medical help. It's like being a different person yes.deadawakeing wrote:
wow so even with all your knowledge about it cant you fight it off or is it like a totally differnet mindset kinda of like ur a different person?
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oo i c well i wish you the best of luck thanks for being a good sport about itCameronPoe wrote:
Believe me I tried EVERYTHING to work my way through it on my own and the help of friends and family before finally, through necessity and exhaustion, resorting to medical help. It's like being a different person yes.deadawakeing wrote:
wow so even with all your knowledge about it cant you fight it off or is it like a totally differnet mindset kinda of like ur a different person?
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After I got married, I had panic attacks and they gave me Rivotril, which main drug is clonazepam and then they gave me one SSRI, which I took for a week or more. The rivotril is soft, but the other shit is C4 with Semtex. To get results you need to accumulate it in your body. A week after the beginning I started to feel drunk, but not nicely drunk like when you took 10 beers, badly drunk. I couldn't get on my feet, drive or nothing. I was that way for three long days, and then I left that shit. So, my advice, don't use any SSRI without the proper indication and then don't get married.
I've been there.CameronPoe wrote:
Believe me I tried EVERYTHING to work my way through it on my own and with the help of friends and family before finally, through necessity and exhaustion, resorting to medical help. It's like being a different person yes.deadawakeing wrote:
wow so even with all your knowledge about it cant you fight it off or is it like a totally differnet mindset kinda of like ur a different person?
Su..suu.Susan?!cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
But by suiciding for love is Emo enough... I just broke up with my GF yesterday and last night I got a new one... I'm just too 1337, why can't people be 1337 like me?WilhelmSissener wrote:
RIP
Because they do not wan't to turn into EMO people.
NOOOOOOO!
The first week for me was like having an alien invade my body (I take an SSRI called Cipramil [Europe] or Celexa [US]). I had to go to work through that too without 'giving the game away'. It took three days for anything to happen then you get taken over with drowsiness, apathy, contentedness, other weird feelings. Your mood soon stabilises into normality (without the depression) in about 10 days although erratic dips in mood occurred for about a month or two afterwards. Your body just requires time to adjust to the drugs, which are fucking stronger than I had given them credit for. When you settle into it you don't feel their impact at all - it's just normality - it's just the starting fortnight which is tough.sergeriver wrote:
After I got married, I had panic attacks and they gave me Rivotril, which main drug is clonazepam and then they gave me one SSRI, which I took for a week or more. The rivotril is soft, but the other shit is C4 with Semtex. To get results you need to accumulate it in your body. A week after the beginning I started to feel drunk, but not nicely drunk like when you took 10 beers, badly drunk. I couldn't get on my feet, drive or nothing. I was that way for three long days, and then I left that shit. So, my advice, don't use any SSRI without the proper indication and then don't get married.
An interesting period was about a week in where I experienced a day of mania - the opposite of depression (your mood when you begin to take the medicine fluctuates wildly). That was nuts. You feel like you could take on the world and are just like superman.
I took the same shit named Lexapro here, Celexa in US, which main drug is called escitalopram. OMG. What a nightmare.CameronPoe wrote:
The first week for me was like having an alien invade my body (I take an SSRI called Cipramil [Europe] or Celexa [US]). I had to go to work through that too without 'giving the game away'. It took three days for anything to happen then you get taken over with drowsiness, apathy, contentedness, other weird feelings. Your mood soon stabilises into normality (without the depression) in about 10 days although erratic dips in mood occurred for about a month or two afterwards. Your body just requires time to adjust to the drugs, which are fucking stronger than I had given them credit for. When you settle into it you don't feel their impact at all - it's just normality - it's just the starting fortnight which is tough.sergeriver wrote:
After I got married, I had panic attacks and they gave me Rivotril, which main drug is clonazepam and then they gave me one SSRI, which I took for a week or more. The rivotril is soft, but the other shit is C4 with Semtex. To get results you need to accumulate it in your body. A week after the beginning I started to feel drunk, but not nicely drunk like when you took 10 beers, badly drunk. I couldn't get on my feet, drive or nothing. I was that way for three long days, and then I left that shit. So, my advice, don't use any SSRI without the proper indication and then don't get married.
An interesting period was about a week in where I experienced a day of mania - the opposite of depression (your mood when you begin to take the medicine fluctuates wildly). That was nuts. You feel like you could take on the world and are just like superman.
Seriously dude. After the initial period you are totally back to normal. Your body just has problems coping with it in the initial phase. I was like 'OMFG' at the start as well.sergeriver wrote:
I took the same shit named Lexapro here, Celexa in US, which main drug is called escitalopram. OMG. What a nightmare.CameronPoe wrote:
The first week for me was like having an alien invade my body (I take an SSRI called Cipramil [Europe] or Celexa [US]). I had to go to work through that too without 'giving the game away'. It took three days for anything to happen then you get taken over with drowsiness, apathy, contentedness, other weird feelings. Your mood soon stabilises into normality (without the depression) in about 10 days although erratic dips in mood occurred for about a month or two afterwards. Your body just requires time to adjust to the drugs, which are fucking stronger than I had given them credit for. When you settle into it you don't feel their impact at all - it's just normality - it's just the starting fortnight which is tough.sergeriver wrote:
After I got married, I had panic attacks and they gave me Rivotril, which main drug is clonazepam and then they gave me one SSRI, which I took for a week or more. The rivotril is soft, but the other shit is C4 with Semtex. To get results you need to accumulate it in your body. A week after the beginning I started to feel drunk, but not nicely drunk like when you took 10 beers, badly drunk. I couldn't get on my feet, drive or nothing. I was that way for three long days, and then I left that shit. So, my advice, don't use any SSRI without the proper indication and then don't get married.
An interesting period was about a week in where I experienced a day of mania - the opposite of depression (your mood when you begin to take the medicine fluctuates wildly). That was nuts. You feel like you could take on the world and are just like superman.
what happens? probably - dresses like a goth and listen's to the Smiths..deadawakeing wrote:
intreseting, what happens if you stop taking the medication are you depressed 24/7 and what is the severity of the depression, enough to kill yourself?CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression and take medication for same and I can tell you that it is completely impossible for someone who does not suffer from depression to empathise with the way in which a truly clinically depressed persons mind works. Being rejected by her boyfriend was likely only a trigger that prompted her to carry out the suicide, the underlying depression that led to her suicide probably being far far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I can see from a lot of the childish remarks on this thread that some people are very poorly educated about matters of the health of the human mind. You should all shut the fuck up, you really have no idea. Read some psychology books maybe.
My depression is a hereditarily received chemical imbalance that I have had since I can remember, the only solution being medication. No amount of counselling would affect it. Thanks to modern science I can live a full and normal life. If people were better educated about matters of the mind and could spot the tell-tale signs in those that suffer, many needless suicides could be avoided.
Edit: Sorry CP, I if you can't make a joke about clinical depression, what is there?
..i'll just get me coat
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Thanks, I prefer beer.CameronPoe wrote:
Seriously dude. After the initial period you are totally back to normal. Your body just has problems coping with it in the initial phase. I was like 'OMFG' at the start as well.sergeriver wrote:
I took the same shit named Lexapro here, Celexa in US, which main drug is called escitalopram. OMG. What a nightmare.CameronPoe wrote:
The first week for me was like having an alien invade my body (I take an SSRI called Cipramil [Europe] or Celexa [US]). I had to go to work through that too without 'giving the game away'. It took three days for anything to happen then you get taken over with drowsiness, apathy, contentedness, other weird feelings. Your mood soon stabilises into normality (without the depression) in about 10 days although erratic dips in mood occurred for about a month or two afterwards. Your body just requires time to adjust to the drugs, which are fucking stronger than I had given them credit for. When you settle into it you don't feel their impact at all - it's just normality - it's just the starting fortnight which is tough.
An interesting period was about a week in where I experienced a day of mania - the opposite of depression (your mood when you begin to take the medicine fluctuates wildly). That was nuts. You feel like you could take on the world and are just like superman.
Seriously I joke about it myself. I'm over it and don't give a shit anymore. LOLIG-Calibre wrote:
what happens? probably - dresses like a goth and listen's to the Smiths..deadawakeing wrote:
intreseting, what happens if you stop taking the medication are you depressed 24/7 and what is the severity of the depression, enough to kill yourself?CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression and take medication for same and I can tell you that it is completely impossible for someone who does not suffer from depression to empathise with the way in which a truly clinically depressed persons mind works. Being rejected by her boyfriend was likely only a trigger that prompted her to carry out the suicide, the underlying depression that led to her suicide probably being far far more complicated than you could possibly imagine.
I can see from a lot of the childish remarks on this thread that some people are very poorly educated about matters of the health of the human mind. You should all shut the fuck up, you really have no idea. Read some psychology books maybe.
My depression is a hereditarily received chemical imbalance that I have had since I can remember, the only solution being medication. No amount of counselling would affect it. Thanks to modern science I can live a full and normal life. If people were better educated about matters of the mind and could spot the tell-tale signs in those that suffer, many needless suicides could be avoided.
Edit: Sorry CP, I if you can't make a joke about clinical depression, what is there?
..i'll just get me coat
hopelessness...feeling worthlessAenima_Eyes wrote:
Ok, when I say this I'm being totally serious. This really did just happen and it's kinda freaked me out.
One of my girlfriend's best friends from high school, a girl that just turned 19, hung herself from a ceiling fan with shoestrings. From what I've gathered her boyfriend who she was obsessed with finally broke it off for good and she just couldn't take it.
What possesses people to kill themselves? I've seriously never understood it. . .and I certainly can't in this case. I knew this girl. She was beautiful, funny, was attending college, and she had a lot going for her. So some asshole breaks up with her and she decides to hang herself from the fan? I mean, what the fuck?! I hung out with this girl. . .went to parties with her. . .and she goes and kills herself at 19. A whole life over before it even got up and running.
Effexor gave me tremors and was a horse pill.
actually I do apologise to the OP, kinda forgot what this thread was about - i'm a bit pissed here and shouldn't be cracking joke's, my bad
I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. There is really no way to understand the mind of a severely depressed person. It's easy for some to say "that's stupid" but when your as low as she was, she must have felt so bad that death was a release. Try and look back at her with a smile, remember the times when you laughed and love that you got to share her life for the short time you had.
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Depression is a question for the ever-developing field of psychology. Was she on any medication? That can sometimes have adverse effects.