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2007-02-23 09:08:15
Ace.O.Lamb
Got Lamb?
+56|6701|Outside your Back window
Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
2007-02-23 09:13:46
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6982
We can solve it by offering them sweeties if they all promise to be good boys.
2007-02-23 09:17:17
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7098|UK
By fucking off back to that hole you fucking climbed out from.

My word that was rather forceful.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
2007-02-23 09:20:06
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7143

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
You do realize that US oil is mainly coming from Canada right? US hasn't really done anything with the oil in Iraq. I believe that US is there to show that it can fight any type of warfare and that it is committed to what it is doing.
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2007-02-23 09:23:23
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6982

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

You do realize that US oil is mainly coming from Canada right? US hasn't really done anything with the oil in Iraq. I believe that US is there to show that it can fight any type of warfare and that it is committed to what it is doing.
Where the supplies that feed the US come from is of little consequence - control of a commodity used across the globe brings with it major influence, power and financial benefit. The price of oil in Iraq affects the price of oil coming out of Canada - it's a commodity whose prices fluctuates with respect to events regarding its supply ANYWHERE in the world.
2007-02-23 09:23:36
hurricane2oo5
Do One Ya Mug !!!
+176|7191|mansfield
one word N.U.K.E

then clean up the mess and make it into a big water park for Americans and British.
2007-02-23 09:27:47
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7143

CameronPoe wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

You do realize that US oil is mainly coming from Canada right? US hasn't really done anything with the oil in Iraq. I believe that US is there to show that it can fight any type of warfare and that it is committed to what it is doing.
Where the supplies that feed the US come from is of little consequence - control of a commodity used across the globe brings with it major influence, power and financial benefit. The price of oil in Iraq affects the price of oil coming out of Canada - it's a commodity whose prices fluctuates with respect to events regarding its supply ANYWHERE in the world.
So what you are saying is that the US is selling Iraqi oil to other nations? But the US already has a very very strong trade with Canada on oil. I would highly doubt the US is there for oil, but rather to stir shit up and show military power.
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2007-02-23 09:33:39
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

We don't. We leave the Iraqis alone and hope for the best.
2007-02-23 09:35:05
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7143

Bertster7 wrote:

We don't. We leave the Iraqis alone and hope for the best.
And watch the country destroy itself on CNN.
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2007-02-23 09:35:33
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6982

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

So what you are saying is that the US is selling Iraqi oil to other nations? But the US already has a very very strong trade with Canada on oil. I would highly doubt the US is there for oil, but rather to stir shit up and show military power.
No I'm not. Control or influence over Iraqi oil, which previously quasi-lay in the hands of the French and Russians (which disgruntled America), plays a part in dictating the price of oil globally. It was a driver of US military action, perhaps not the primary driver but it was one of them. Their failure to secure Iraq has actually decimated the expected boon they expected as a golden handshake for 'liberating' Iraq. The only influence they will ever have now is over Kurdish oil, given that most Kurds (expept Ansar-Al Islam) seem grateful for the invasion. The price of oil in Canada is dictated by global security of supply. The US weren't invading Iraq to secure supplies of oil but to secure their hegemony over the most valuable commodity on earth.
2007-02-23 09:37:30
Korny09
Member
+8|6700|Ohio
Do what the Dems are doing, restrict the ROE so that the soldiers have to ask someone with an AK if they are AlQuida before they shoot them.

From the beginning I said we should've sent in two guys with a M95 & smoked Saddam & all of his "doubles" if he had them.  But our country is in too much of a quagmire to do anything this sophisticated or studly.

Now I would say, build up the Iraqi military & police, continue helping with education & then pull out.  I would do a phased withdrawl & set up SECRET deadlines with the Iraqi govnm't.

Last- Pres. Bush NEEDS to do mor press conferences showing videos of what is going well over there...don't just leave that to youtube.
2007-02-23 09:39:39
Korny09
Member
+8|6700|Ohio

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
AND WHO IS MURDERING THE CIVILIANS?  Have you considered that?  Most Iraqi's that I know are HAPPY that the US took out Saddam!  They are MAD at the people who are murdering their own (kinda like what happens with gangs here in the inner city).
2007-02-23 09:41:33
silo1180
The Farewell Tour
+79|6849|San Antonio, TX

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
Hooray another Bush-bash/"what's wrong with Iraq!?" thread...

And again... IF THIS WAR WAS FOR OIL, WHY THE HELL AM I STILL PAYING OVER $2/GAL @ THE PUMP.  Please git yurself edumicated before you start wagging your tongue... really... just look through the D&ST forum and you will see a million of these threads.
2007-02-23 09:41:54
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

We don't. We leave the Iraqis alone and hope for the best.
And watch the country destroy itself on CNN.
Well, preferably not on CNN.

Isn't that what we're doing now anyway?
2007-02-23 09:42:25
Andoura
Got loooollllll ?
+853|7066|Montreal, Qc, Canada
This wil not be solved now .... i seriosly think it will take about 20 years to all come back to normal... just like wath happened in lebanon 20 years ago ...
2007-02-23 09:42:51
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7089|USA

silo1180 wrote:

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
Hooray another Bush-bash/"what's wrong with Iraq!?" thread...

And again... IF THIS WAR WAS FOR OIL, WHY THE HELL AM I STILL PAYING OVER $2/GAL @ THE PUMP.  Please git yurself edumicated before you start wagging your tongue... really... just look through the D&ST forum and you will see a million of these threads.
The guy registered yesterday. Give him a small break.
2007-02-23 09:43:55
rawls2
Mr. Bigglesworth
+89|6987

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
Withdraw all conventional forces. Leave behind special forces and dress them like Iraqis and give them ak's and toyota pick up trucks. Then they proceed to kick ass.
2007-02-23 09:44:31
Ace.O.Lamb
Got Lamb?
+56|6701|Outside your Back window

Korny09 wrote:

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
AND WHO IS MURDERING THE CIVILIANS?  Have you considered that?  Most Iraqi's that I know are HAPPY that the US took out Saddam!  They are MAD at the people who are murdering their own (kinda like what happens with gangs here in the inner city).
i know its the terrorists, but they are result of the invasion
2007-02-23 09:44:41
Cybargs
Moderated
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Bertster7 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

We don't. We leave the Iraqis alone and hope for the best.
And watch the country destroy itself on CNN.
Well, preferably not on CNN.

Isn't that what we're doing now anyway?
At least there is some control there you know what I mean?
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2007-02-23 09:47:59
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|7080

silo1180 wrote:

And again... IF THIS WAR WAS FOR OIL, WHY THE HELL AM I STILL PAYING OVER $2/GAL @ THE PUMP.  Please git yurself edumicated before you start wagging your tongue... really... just look through the D&ST forum and you will see a million of these threads.
War for oil doesn't necessarily imply that the intention is to reduce prices.

If it was for oil, perhaps it was a war to stop Saddam selling oil for cheap, over OPEC production quotas, in euro's, to anyone but America....  which is essentially what he was doing...

Surely Bush would be out to get the margins on oil sales as high as possible, with as many transactions taking place in dollars as possible, and with American companies running the pumps, because his families companies are going to profit the most that way.
2007-02-23 09:49:21
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7008|SE London

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:


And watch the country destroy itself on CNN.
Well, preferably not on CNN.

Isn't that what we're doing now anyway?
At least there is some control there you know what I mean?
Control isn't what they need. They need a short, sharp civil war to sort stuff out and get a proper government going. They need to do all this stuff for themselves, although a bit of foreign investment wouldn't go amiss considering all the trouble we've caused them.
2007-02-23 09:56:34
Korny09
Member
+8|6700|Ohio

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Korny09 wrote:

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
AND WHO IS MURDERING THE CIVILIANS?  Have you considered that?  Most Iraqi's that I know are HAPPY that the US took out Saddam!  They are MAD at the people who are murdering their own (kinda like what happens with gangs here in the inner city).
i know its the terrorists, but they are result of the invasion
I will agree with that.  In the Quran it talks about doing just what they are doing-although in the Quran it talks about religious persecutors.  It says to kill those who bring religious persecution & refuse to follow Allah, "wherever you find them."  So I agree that if we leave, things MAY quiet down...but we need to establish their military & police, etc  before we go...I am sure that the governments are working on deadlines but I would in NO WAY EVER share them with the public.
Like I said, I believe it was GOOD for us to take out Saddam-a friend of mine (Iraqi citizen) had his dad killed by Saddam.  He is glad we are there, as are MOST Iraqi's that I know.

1.  I wish we would of sent an assassin over there instead.
2.  We are doing a TERRIBLE job of showing what is going WELL over there-and there is a lot to show.
3.  I am glad that we are being careful not to kill civilians.
4. I hope that justice will pan out & that Babylon will be established (a word they use for Iraq over in the Middle East to this day).

Last edited by Korny09 (2007-02-23 09:58:22)

2007-02-23 10:01:09
Korny09
Member
+8|6700|Ohio

Bertster7 wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Well, preferably not on CNN.

Isn't that what we're doing now anyway?
At least there is some control there you know what I mean?
Control isn't what they need. They need a short, sharp civil war to sort stuff out and get a proper government going. They need to do all this stuff for themselves, although a bit of foreign investment wouldn't go amiss considering all the trouble we've caused them.
Hmmmm, "they need a short, civil war" to iron things out...good point.
But that is not why the Iranians, etc. are going over to fight.  To them it is a Jihad, according to their understanding of the Quran.  As long as their are recruits, there will be this fighting with the American forces, when actually they are killing mostly their own Muslim people...they are nuts!  Reminds me of LA back in the Rodney King days.
2007-02-23 10:46:25
Fen321
Member
+54|6925|Singularity

silo1180 wrote:

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Lets face it, Iraq is a mess because of Bush's actions. There has been many civilian casualties as a result of bombings and suicide bombings which are a result of the US and Uk 'Liberating' Iraq. Hundreds of US and British troops killed and thousands injured.

And through all the bloodshed how far have we really come? This summer UK troops are pulling out (at last) as Blair finally realises we have really achieved very little. When will the government realise that terrorism cannot be beaten so easily. Although i dont think that terrosim was on Bush's agenda when he started this war, it was obviously for oil which is why there are now rumours of the U.S  moving foces into Iran. Soon there will be more excuses for the US to invade other oil rich countries. Great!....

So back to the point how should Iraq be tackled. I think a huge offensive would do the trick, close all borders (as they are already doing) and then strip search the citys sector by sector, getting rid of all weapons and terrorists. Its a last resort but its the only way the US will be able to fully liberate iraq
Hooray another Bush-bash/"what's wrong with Iraq!?" thread...

And again... IF THIS WAR WAS FOR OIL, WHY THE HELL AM I STILL PAYING OVER $2/GAL @ THE PUMP.  Please git yurself edumicated before you start wagging your tongue... really... just look through the D&ST forum and you will see a million of these threads.
What incentives do oil companies have for charing you less for gas?

Notice how they drop around election time..... pooo

Seriously Poe hit the nail on the head when he stated its about STRATEGIC control of oil reserves. Brits and the Yanks want their hands in the power struggle when it comes to this commodity.  So far the Brits want to pull out now so we shall SEE.
2007-02-23 10:55:56
Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6781|West NY

rawls2 wrote:

Withdraw all conventional forces. Leave behind special forces and dress them like Iraqis and give them ak's and toyota pick up trucks. Then they proceed to kick ass
*correction* give them that new dragonskin body armor the disguise them as terrorists wearing turbans and give them PKM's from bf2(we all know how much bf2 PKM machine guns pwn) with scopes. happy sniping
.and oh yes i like the 50. cal machine gun technical pickup idea...wait you couldn't fit more than 3 guys in one of those without them having an ori....nevermind

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