IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7169|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
They -
projected a stable, pro-US and democratic Iraq by December 2006
The US invasion plan for Iraq envisaged that only 5,000 US troops would remain in Iraq by December 2006, declassified Central Command documents show.
The material also shows that the US military projected a stable, pro-US and democratic Iraq by that time.

The August 2002 material was obtained by the National Security Archive (NSA). Its officials said the plans were based on delusional assumptions.

'Completely unrealistic'

The documents - in the form of PowerPoint slides - were prepared by the now-retired Gen Tommy Franks and other top commanders at the time.

The documents were presented at a briefing in August 2002 - less than a year before the US invasion of Iraq in April 2003.

The commanders predicted that after the fighting was over there would be a two- to three-month "stabilisation" phase, followed by an 18- to 24-month "recovery" stage.

They projected that the US forces would be almost completely "re-deployed" out of Iraq at the end of the "transition" phase - within 45 months of invasion.

"Completely unrealistic assumptions about a post-Saddam Iraq permeate these war plans," NSA executive director Thomas Blanton said in a statement posted on the organisation's website.

"First, they assumed that a provisional government would be in place by 'D-Day', then that the Iraqis would stay in their garrisons and be reliable partners, and finally that the post-hostilities phase would be a matter of mere months'," Mr Blanton said.

"All of these were delusions," he added.

The NSA said it received the documents last month, after making a request in 2004.

The NSA is an independent research institute at George Washington University.

It obtained the papers under the Freedom of Information Act.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6364507.stm
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7098|UK
lol?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6794|Columbus, Ohio
erm....Isn't this the plan of the democrats now anyway?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
Ya, real fucking funny.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7237|Nårvei

You seem a lil grumpy these past few days ATG ?

Last edited by Varegg (2007-02-17 05:59:27)

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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina
I think it was hilarious, and absurdly expensive....
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

Varegg wrote:

You seem a lil grumpy these past few days ATG, maybe time to start smoking again ?
There is nothing remotely funny about the war, this thread or your shitty post.
I suppose there is a risk to announcing on a forum that you've kicked tobacco, the risk of some moron suggesting you start back up again.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7237|Nårvei

ATG wrote:

Varegg wrote:

You seem a lil grumpy these past few days ATG, maybe time to start smoking again ?
There is nothing remotely funny about the war, this thread or your shitty post.
I suppose there is a risk to announcing on a forum that you've kicked tobacco, the risk of some moron suggesting you start back up again.
If you have some sort of self control that shouldn`t be a problem, and if you where to take notice of the postings of a moron as you so sweetly called me then i am the least of your RL problems.

And take that from one who thinks that to stop smoking would be a milestone in his own RL being a smoker for 20 years

Besides that you really are grumpy these days ATG and believe me when i say i dont find any war funny just the ones that started it all on false judgement and seems to fail their own people every fucking time something big goes down.

Last US election
Aftermath of 9/11
Iraq
New Orleans

Just to mention a few !

PS: A little low for your standards to indulge yourself in personal attacks, i thought highly of your post`s and topic`s and enjoyed reading them witch showed me an American with a broader view and a more deeply chain of thoughts than most other Americans i know, and i know some of those !
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Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|7102|Belgium
sigh...

The problem with politicians is that they decide what to do, and how to do it, based on intel they want to hear... and the military just have to comply no matter their objections.

Remember why Hitler lost the war? He told his generals what to do and how to fight a war (e.g. Stalingrad), and those who did not obey him were stripped from their command or even executed.  The resemblance with the war in Iraq is striking: the Bush Administration wanted a war at any price, and they got one. I’m pretty sure there must have been some US generals with enough brains to see the initial plans were up to no good, but they probably had to go and keep their mouths shut.

And when someone (usmarine2007 maybe ?) shows a newly ‘tribute to our heroes’ posted on Youtube, make sure to put some pictures in it from the almighty USdollar, Wall Street and the Dow Jones, cause that’s the main reason they shed their blood, just to keep the dollar up and the investments out of danger. Yes they are heroes, but they died for the wrong reason.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

Varegg wrote:

ATG wrote:

Varegg wrote:

You seem a lil grumpy these past few days ATG, maybe time to start smoking again ?
There is nothing remotely funny about the war, this thread or your shitty post.
I suppose there is a risk to announcing on a forum that you've kicked tobacco, the risk of some moron suggesting you start back up again.
If you have some sort of self control that shouldn`t be a problem, and if you where to take notice of the postings of a moron as you so sweetly called me then i am the least of your RL problems.

And take that from one who thinks that to stop smoking would be a milestone in his own RL being a smoker for 20 years

Besides that you really are grumpy these days ATG and believe me when i say i dont find any war funny just the ones that started it all on false judgement and seems to fail their own people every fucking time something big goes down.

Last US election
Aftermath of 9/11
Iraq
New Orleans

Just to mention a few !
You say
" And take that from one who thinks that to stop smoking would be a milestone in his own RL being a smoker for 20 years "

right after you tell a  guys to start again whos done it for 25 years get two weeks clear?


I can see how that would have been funny!

Varegg wrote:

PS: A little low for your standards to indulge yourself in personal attacks, i thought highly of your post`s and topic`s and enjoyed reading them witch showed me an American with a broader view and a more deeply chain of thoughts than most other Americans i know, and i know some of those !
Again, perhaps you thought you were being funny, I took it as a cruel personal attack.
Look, I'm sorry, I called you a moron.
It is no joking matter. Obviously I'm still struggling with the stuff.
I've taken that thing outta my sig, lest this become a daily occurance.

Last edited by ATG (2007-02-17 08:28:29)

Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
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Okay, i accept you being sorry but only if you accept my apologies for being shortminded
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Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|7082|United States of America
That is some pretty funny shit alright, because I am sure that other countries could have taken on something this complexed and knew exactly how it would turn out 4 years later.

Sure sign of a fucking moron is somebody who sits back and points out the obvious after the fact. (see US congress for clarity)
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

Varegg wrote:

Okay, i accept you being sorry but only if you accept my apologies for being shortminded
Done and done.
Now, let us never speak of this again.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6717|Éire
I read a great headline the other day...

"Victory in Iraq goes into it's third year".
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
This thread is worthless flame baiting.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6920|Connecticut

ATG wrote:

This thread is worthless flame baiting.
Time for the ATG's scientific derailing table!! That kicked my ass once, it hit me so fast I spent the next three hours in a corner naked screaming to myself, wanting to punch kittens. God Damned periodic elements.
Malloy must go
Aegis
Sailor with no BF2 Navy
+19|7172|I'm worldwide, beotch
Why are there no good threads in D&ST anymore?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Aegis wrote:

Why are there no good threads in D&ST anymore?
http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?fid=15
Xbone Stormsurgezz
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:

Aegis wrote:

Why are there no good threads in D&ST anymore?
http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?fid=15
Genius.

deeznutz1245 wrote:

ATG wrote:

This thread is worthless flame baiting.
Time for the ATG's scientific derailing table!! That kicked my ass once, it hit me so fast I spent the next three hours in a corner naked screaming to myself, wanting to punch kittens. God Damned periodic elements.
I save those for sports threads posted in DST.

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