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UON wrote:

I agree.  However as a former employee of an university, and a current employee of a company with very close ties to both the major universitys in my local area, I feel obliged to clear up a few misleading statements which might put people off attending university in the UK:

I worked as tech support/development for my uni as my 52 week placement during the period when top-up fees were introduced, I was actually expected to know about the new system as part of my job, so as to be able to direct people to the correct place/website when they turned up at the tech support desk with stupid question about why they haven't got any cash yet (trust me, they did).  You now get around a £3200 maintence loan and a £3000 fee loan from the SLC, which is capped to inflation.  I stopped working as tech support when I graduated 6 months ago, so I really doubt much has changed.  And the standard teaching calendar at almost every uni in the UK is 26-28 weeks, once you deduct the holidays from the 40 week academic year.  There may be a few more exam weeks depending on course.  If you have coursework to do during the holidays, then you haven't managed your time well, the 35-38 hour week is designed to include the coursework.  The teaching weeks are almost always spread over 2 semesters.  You don't need to borrow privately on the scale Vilham indicated, with a little effort you can finish with little more than the standard student debt and also have a good time.  Anyway, don't be put off, it's hard work if you do it right, but it's worth it.  Don't think you need to keep up just because some people borrow far beyond their means.  There are a few on every course, and in my personal experience they don't last it out to the very end.

Don't be put off by anything anyone says.
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Seriously your lack of knowledge shines through again. Im sorry but i just plain dont believe you work in this area. The maintence loan is capped at parents earning 30k a year. You only get the full 3200 if your parents earn less than about 15k i think.

11 weeks term 1
10 weeks term 2
11 weeks term 3

You don't have a clue how much coursework i have to do, i have alot. I would love you to say that to an architect, because they would knock your block off for talking shit, they have to work nearly every hour or every waking moment.

Please explain where I will get the money to pay for my 4-5k accommodation, 3k teaching fees, and all my living expenses, seeing as the max i can borrow from SLC is 3k, do i just magic it into the air?

Basically my conclusion is you know little to nothing about being a current uni student.

Vilham wrote:

UON wrote:

I agree.  However as a former employee of an university, and a current employee of a company with very close ties to both the major universitys in my local area, I feel obliged to clear up a few misleading statements which might put people off attending university in the UK:

I worked as tech support/development for my uni as my 52 week placement during the period when top-up fees were introduced, I was actually expected to know about the new system as part of my job, so as to be able to direct people to the correct place/website when they turned up at the tech support desk with stupid question about why they haven't got any cash yet (trust me, they did).  You now get around a £3200 maintence loan and a £3000 fee loan from the SLC, which is capped to inflation.  I stopped working as tech support when I graduated 6 months ago, so I really doubt much has changed.  And the standard teaching calendar at almost every uni in the UK is 26-28 weeks, once you deduct the holidays from the 40 week academic year.  There may be a few more exam weeks depending on course.  If you have coursework to do during the holidays, then you haven't managed your time well, the 35-38 hour week is designed to include the coursework.  The teaching weeks are almost always spread over 2 semesters.  You don't need to borrow privately on the scale Vilham indicated, with a little effort you can finish with little more than the standard student debt and also have a good time.  Anyway, don't be put off, it's hard work if you do it right, but it's worth it.  Don't think you need to keep up just because some people borrow far beyond their means.  There are a few on every course, and in my personal experience they don't last it out to the very end.

Don't be put off by anything anyone says.
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Seriously your lack of knowledge shines through again. Im sorry but i just plain dont believe you work in this area. The maintence loan is capped at parents earning 30k a year. You only get the full 3200 if your parents earn less than about 15k i think.

Wrong.  The £3,200 is the non-income assessed portion.

Vilham wrote:

11 weeks term 1
10 weeks term 2
11 weeks term 3

Half of term 3 is not teaching time.  And anyway, that's not the 40 weeks you claimed.  There are two 12 week semesters at most of the universities. Check the websites if you don't believe me.

Vilham wrote:

You don't have a clue how much coursework i have to do, i have alot. I would love you to say that to an architect, because they would knock your block off for talking shit, they have to work nearly every hour or every waking moment.

I know several architecture students.  It's obviously dependent on your education background and motivation as to how difficult you find the assessment, but those courses last far longer than standard degrees, and quite rightfully involve similar levels of control and competency to medical degrees.  If you enter that profession then peoples lives are quite literally in your hands.  And incidentally, one of the girls I knew on an architecture degree also worked 20 hours in a bar every week to pay her overseas student fees.

Vilham wrote:

Please explain where I will get the money to pay for my 4-5k accommodation, 3k teaching fees, and all my living expenses, seeing as the max i can borrow from SLC is 3k, do i just magic it into the air?

Basically my conclusion is you know little to nothing about being a current uni student.

My conclusion is that you don't know your entitlements, and you haven't learned enough about banks to realise that getting that kind of credit is not easy.  Where do you get the money?  You are supposed to work every available moment or have rich parents. 

Try the loan entitlement calculator if you don't believe me.  Here I've pretended to be a regular undergraduate student who does not wish to be income assessed (e.g. it assumes I am from a wealthy background):

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loanak8.jpg

Try it yourself:  http://www.studentsupportdirect.co.uk

The actual amount is higher if you are from a low income background.  Those figures is what every student can claim, per year.  The student will only see the top figure, the uni will get the bottom one.  You don't pay fees up front any more unless you choose to.  You know not of what you speak.  I suspect you may not actually be even be claiming a student loan, as you would know all this.

edit: Just so you know what you'd get if you weren't from a priviliged background, here's one where the family earns less than £15000:

http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=poorlt3.jpg

An additional non-repayable £2,800 is available.

edit: Now please please drop it.

Last edited by UON (2007-01-31 15:03:09)

Vilham wrote:

lowing wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Lowing are you that naive? The winning side writes history, it doesn't make it right.

Show me ANY text book that has America's action in WW2 as terrorism or crimes against humanity then.

I am probably older than you are pal, you probably still are in school and has not even paid a fucking mortgage yet. So please stop trying to talk down to me as if you have a clue about REAL life.

lol way to personal attack me. Just for your info im at uni. I pay bills. Suck my balls. Im sure there are plenty of books that paint the only nuking ever of a country as a crime against humanity, you naive twat.

Kinda odd, you calling me naive and crap when you yourself have never even got out on your own yet. Don't talk down to me again like you know something about life until you have actually lived it, outside a frickin classroom. Thanx

Last edited by lowing (2007-01-31 14:59:36)

paranoid101 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

@ Method

By stating that you do not feel the same urgency as we do about terror in no way diminishes what happened on your soil. Where did you get that? I'll i'm pointing out is if the terror attacks had killed more you'd feel different. You sir have a mighty chip on your shoulder.

Bollocks 1 is too many.

Feel different my arse.

lol...and there still pouring into your country and winning rights.

rawls2 wrote:

@ Method

By stating that you do not feel the same urgency as we do about terror in no way diminishes what happened on your soil. Where did you get that? I'll i'm pointing out is if the terror attacks had killed more you'd feel different. You sir have a mighty chip on your shoulder.

Wrong.

One death as a result of terrorism is one too many.

You sir are living in la la land.

rawls2 wrote:

paranoid101 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

@ Method

By stating that you do not feel the same urgency as we do about terror in no way diminishes what happened on your soil. Where did you get that? I'll i'm pointing out is if the terror attacks had killed more you'd feel different. You sir have a mighty chip on your shoulder.

Bollocks 1 is too many.

Feel different my arse.

lol...and there still pouring into your country and winning rights.

And the US borders are REAL secure.  Concentrate your dimwitted efforts on your own country.

lowing wrote:

Vilham wrote:

lowing wrote:

Show me ANY text book that has America's action in WW2 as terrorism or crimes against humanity then.

I am probably older than you are pal, you probably still are in school and has not even paid a fucking mortgage yet. So please stop trying to talk down to me as if you have a clue about REAL life.

lol way to personal attack me. Just for your info im at uni. I pay bills. Suck my balls. Im sure there are plenty of books that paint the only nuking ever of a country as a crime against humanity, you naive twat.

Kinda odd, you calling me naive and crap when you yourself have never even got out on your own yet. Don't talk down to me again like you know something about life until you have actually lived it, outside a frickin classroom. Thanx

The kid was right though, winners write the history books. Pretty old saying actually.

I would think Indians don't really like US history books.

rawls2 wrote:

So your content to let a few nuts run loose because they are a minority? Or do you catch them and punish them? But how can you if they run and hide amongst the normal population? Seems like you do have a problem. You just don't see it because you haven't been hit hard enough.

Please read these links:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4690224.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6267243.stm

Once you have read them i would ask why you are aggressively telling us to catch the type of people our country are already building cases against and arresting.

Please explain what more should we do?  Kill them?  oh wait that would make them a martyr

And if you say sort immigration then i hope your country leads by example and shows us how it's done.

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-01-31 15:42:36)

rawls2 wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Kinda odd, you calling me naive and crap when you yourself have never even got out on your own yet. Don't talk down to me again like you know something about life until you have actually lived it, outside a frickin classroom. Thanx

The kid was right though, winners write the history books. Pretty old saying actually.

I would think Indians don't really like US history books.

Thats were your wrong. By now most Americans know what happened to the indians and I'd bet it be hard to find someone that would deny it.

Deny what?

lowing wrote:

Vilham wrote:

lowing wrote:

Show me ANY text book that has America's action in WW2 as terrorism or crimes against humanity then.

I am probably older than you are pal, you probably still are in school and has not even paid a fucking mortgage yet. So please stop trying to talk down to me as if you have a clue about REAL life.

lol way to personal attack me. Just for your info im at uni. I pay bills. Suck my balls. Im sure there are plenty of books that paint the only nuking ever of a country as a crime against humanity, you naive twat.

Kinda odd, you calling me naive and crap when you yourself have never even got out on your own yet. Don't talk down to me again like you know something about life until you have actually lived it, outside a frickin classroom. Thanx

You can say that all you like, it doesnt change the fact that you are naive to think that just because the winning side writes history it makes anything they do right. As to providing a counter to nuking japan = good, 2 people have already done that. So please if you are the adult you claim to be get a grip.

rawls2 wrote:

paranoid101 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

lol...and there still pouring into your country and winning rights.

And that as to do with how we feel about the London bombing how?

The comment was directed at someone else. I agree with you that one was enough but when your fellow Brits want continue to appease to muslims I find that bulloks.

Racist caught right HERE! I note you say Muslims. Rather than Muslim terrorists or extremists. Well its nice to know your view that Muslims don't deserve rights.

topal63 wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

Thats were your wrong. By now most Americans know what happened to the indians and I'd bet it be hard to find someone that would deny it.

Deny what?

He didn't understand your statement... that it was a statement meaning you understand the plight of Native Americans in the (US) past / history... oh well... same as it ever was.

I agree - most Native Americans probably would not like most US history books...

Why wouldn't they "like" the history books? It tells the truth, doesn't it? More than a few supposedly US History books start out talking about population of the continent thousands of years before the 'States were founded and the colonization preceding as well. I've yet to see one endorsing any action, but only providing information objectively. By this logic saying the Indians wouldn't like it, you could say that slaves wouldn't like it either but it's true. The books show the ideology of people at the time and their ideas about race; you have the mindset of manifest destiny that helped get the western states. It's history, not a novel.