Poll

Democratic Agenda

True49%49% - 58
False50%50% - 59
Total: 117
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6946|Πάϊ
Under no circumstances will the Democrats ever differentiate from their political adversaries as to oppose the country's imperialist dogma in one way or another. Therefore, "America's edge on the rest of the world" remains no matter what, as well as the overall guideline policy. The seeming differences (indeed minor) between the two parties only serve to create the illusion of democracy (as is the trend amongst western nations).
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

The Democratic Party used to be the conservative party. A political parties stance changes over the years. Look at what Kennedy did during the Cuban missile crisis. Was it the United States place to tell Cuba that they couldn't have Soviet missiles?
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oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6946|Πάϊ

Kmarion wrote:

The Democratic Party used to be the conservative party.
My point exactly. Although the period you chose for your example is most likely the one with the greatest differences between the two parties. Then of course they shot Kennedy and everything came back to normal...
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CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6997|Portland, OR, USA

UGADawgs wrote:

BN wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

Calling Bush the worst President is especially ignorant.
How is that?
Because you really have to be ignorant of history to think that Bush is the worst. We've had worse presidents with much more lasting effects.
Oh really, melting icecaps isn't long lasting or anything....

When it boils down to it, there is no difference between the parties.. it's just a bunch of corrupt old people who like toying with millions of peoples lives.  It's just a ploy to make you feel like you have a say in our plutocratic society.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

oug wrote:

Then of course they shot Kennedy and everything came back to normal...
thats bad..lol
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Democrats:

Kill babies.
Yes -- they're quite tasty, actually.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Want to take away the 2nd amendment.
Yes, because the Republicans have already called dibs on taking the 1st.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Want universal healthcare via taxing the hell out of you.
Yes, but the Republicans would prefer we have to pay out the ass the private sector way.  Either way, it's a losing game, because medicine has been hijacked by oligarchy and corporatism.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Are out of touch with world affairs.
Of course, because the Iraq invasion has worked so well.  Why can't they see this?

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Are flip floppers.
Yep...  The logical way of doing things is to stay the course no matter what facts or realities get in your way.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Do not care about terrorists attacking the U.S.
This is all part of how liberals hate America.  Naturally, they prefer the terrorists attack us.  Why else would they want us to stop invading countries?

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Let Bin Laden get away many times several years ago.
Well, that's only because we were working with Bin Laden against the Soviets at the time.  That was a bipartisan effort, and boy, that worked beautifully didn't it?

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Should be tried for the Clinton Administration.
Forget Clinton...  Try them for the FDR administration!  That commie bastard!

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Are responsible for terrorist attacks.
Yes, especially Air America and the AARP.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Are trying to kill America's edge on the rest of the world.
Yes, because we know that unrestrained outsourcing gives us a major edge in the world.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Directly affect me and my childrens welfare.
Only if you're on welfare...  or wait...  maybe that applies to Republicans instead...?

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Want the gays to be married destroying all moral grounds for marriage.
...don't forget how Nazies will ride dinosaurs once again too.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Are out for thier own agenda of personal gain and career advancement.
Exactly...  A more compassionate agenda involves increasing the wealth disparity in America and removing individuals' rights while giving corporations new ones.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Have sabatoged the war on terror.
Yep...  That's the only explanation for all these IEDs.  Democrats must be smuggling explosives to terrorists.  I figure Rumsfeld's dealings with Saddam in the 80s must have inspired them to get in on this business as well.
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6997|Portland, OR, USA
ooo, I'm guna love to see you guys and your ignorant remarks after this one!
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Are responsible for terrorist attacks.
No but Terrorist are the Dems number one fans.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=51690

I'm curious also, how would the dems like to restrain outsourcing?

Turquoise wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Have sabatoged the war on terror.
Yep...  That's the only explanation for all these IEDs.  Democrats must be smuggling explosives to terrorists.  I figure Rumsfeld's dealings with Saddam in the 80s must have inspired them to get in on this business as well.
Liberal newspapers like the NY times publishing classified information couldn't be helping the enemies plans at all could it?
Obviously the Dems are just as patriotic and would like to see a successful America however it does not look good for this to happen with the opposition in the presidential office. Draw your own conclusions.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-30 19:56:26)

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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Are responsible for terrorist attacks.
No but Terrorist are the Dems number one fans.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=51690

I'm curious also, how would the dems like to restrain outsourcing?
Serial killers more commonly vote Republican, but I don't see that as a notable reason for voting Democratic.

On the second part, you're right that many Democrats are just as fond of outsourcing as Republicans.  It's become a bipartisan effort at this point, and our labor doesn't seem ready for it.  Sucks to be them...
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Have sabatoged the war on terror.
Yep...  That's the only explanation for all these IEDs.  Democrats must be smuggling explosives to terrorists.  I figure Rumsfeld's dealings with Saddam in the 80s must have inspired them to get in on this business as well.
Liberal newspapers like the NY times publishing classified information couldn't be helping the enemies plans at all could it?
Obviously the Dems are just as patriotic and would like to see a successful America however it does not look good for this to happen with the opposition in the presidential office. Draw your own conclusions.
It all depends on how you look at it...  If the NY Times can obtain classified information in the first place, what does that tell you about the government?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Agreed obviously there was a problem with a leak. That doesn't get the NY times off the hook for not having National Security in mind before publishing it. American soldiers could have very well died because of it.

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Are responsible for terrorist attacks.
No but Terrorist are the Dems number one fans.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=51690

I'm curious also, how would the dems like to restrain outsourcing?
Serial killers more commonly vote Republican, but I don't see that as a notable reason for voting Democratic.

On the second part, you're right that many Democrats are just as fond of outsourcing as Republicans.  It's become a bipartisan effort at this point, and our labor doesn't seem ready for it.  Sucks to be them...
My opinion, politicians are spineless all together (For the most part). There are very few you can count on. There job is to sell votes and trying to pin all the failures or success to a single party is not very rational.

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-30 20:02:33)

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Mitch
16 more years
+877|6952|South Florida

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Democrats:

Kill babies.

Want to take away the 2nd amendment.

Want universal healthcare via taxing the hell out of you.

Are out of touch with world affairs.

Are flip floppers.

Do not care about terrorists attacking the U.S.

Let Bin Laden get away many times several years ago.

Should be tried for the Clinton Administration.

Are responsible for terrorist attacks.

Are trying to kill America's edge on the rest of the world.

Directly affect me and my childrens welfare.

Want the gays to be married destroying all moral grounds for marriage.

Are out for thier own agenda of personal gain and career advancement.

Have sabatoged the war on terror.
DEMOCRATS SUCK!
15 more years! 15 more years!
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


No but Terrorist are the Dems number one fans.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=51690

I'm curious also, how would the dems like to restrain outsourcing?
Serial killers more commonly vote Republican, but I don't see that as a notable reason for voting Democratic.

On the second part, you're right that many Democrats are just as fond of outsourcing as Republicans.  It's become a bipartisan effort at this point, and our labor doesn't seem ready for it.  Sucks to be them...
My opinion, politicians are spineless all together (For the most part). There are very few you can count on. There job is to sell votes and trying to pin all the failures or success to a single party is not very rational.
I completely agree.  I think the midterm elections were indicative that the Democrats are currently the lesser of two evils, however.
Mafia47
Member
+27|7168|Chicago
All politicians = Liars.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7028|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Serial killers more commonly vote Republican, but I don't see that as a notable reason for voting Democratic.

On the second part, you're right that many Democrats are just as fond of outsourcing as Republicans.  It's become a bipartisan effort at this point, and our labor doesn't seem ready for it.  Sucks to be them...
My opinion, politicians are spineless all together (For the most part). There are very few you can count on. There job is to sell votes and trying to pin all the failures or success to a single party is not very rational.
I completely agree.  I think the midterm elections were indicative that the Democrats are currently the lesser of two evils, however.
Americans wanted a change no matter what. Even if that change came without a solution. The Democrats didn't win, the Republicans lost if you know what i mean.

Good Discussion Turquoise, gotta go The Daily Show is on .

Last edited by Kmarion (2007-01-30 20:06:33)

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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


My opinion, politicians are spineless all together (For the most part). There are very few you can count on. There job is to sell votes and trying to pin all the failures or success to a single party is not very rational.
I completely agree.  I think the midterm elections were indicative that the Democrats are currently the lesser of two evils, however.
Americans wanted a change no matter what. Even if that change came without a solution. The Democrats didn't win, the Republicans lost if you know what i mean.

Good Discussion Turquoise, gotta go The Daily Show is on .
Thanks, K.  You make a good intellectual sparring partner... 

The solution should be loud and clear by now: withdrawal or dividing Iraq into ethnic partitions.  Whether or not the Democrats follow through is dependent on many things -- one of which being Bush's willingness to learn from past mistakes....
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7073

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

Democrats:

Kill babies.

Want to take away the 2nd amendment.

Want universal healthcare via taxing the hell out of you.

Are out of touch with world affairs.

Are flip floppers.

Do not care about terrorists attacking the U.S.

Let Bin Laden get away many times several years ago.

Should be tried for the Clinton Administration.

Are responsible for terrorist attacks.

Are trying to kill America's edge on the rest of the world.

Directly affect me and my childrens welfare.

Want the gays to be married destroying all moral grounds for marriage.

Are out for thier own agenda of personal gain and career advancement.

Have sabatoged the war on terror.
you sir are a flaming idiot. thank god not all of America is as dumb as you are...oh wait.
I never stated these were my views. The poll asks, is this true. Comprehension brother. Comprehension.
It's an obvious oversimplification to attempt to make your oposition look bad. It can go both ways. Quite frankly it's childish and only hurts the party you're trying to support.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina

UGADawgs wrote:

BN wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:


Because you really have to be ignorant of history to think that Bush is the worst. We've had worse presidents with much more lasting effects.
who do you think is the worse?

In this day and age of mass media the microscope is on him more than ever.

And all the polls arent showing great things for him.

The majority of people who answered the opinion polls think he is the worst ever.
Probably Andrew Johnson for his part in the complete screw-up of Reconstruction. Second would have to be Buchanan for letting the whole Civil War happen on his watch.
Andrew Johnson was, indeed, a complete idiot.  He was also a traitor to his own state.
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6917|Menlo Park, CA

usmarine2007 wrote:

Appears to be in order.
acEofspadEs6313
Shiny! Let's be bad guys.
+102|7119|NAS Jacksonville, Florida
Ffs, why can't any of you damn people let others have an opinion and have a decent debate about it? Everytime I read topics from this forum, it starts with someone stating an opinion, and then a huge flame war starts because one person doesn't like that persons opinion(s).
kilgoretrout
Member
+53|6897|Little Rock, AR

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

Ffs, why can't any of you damn people let others have an opinion and have a decent debate about it? Everytime I read topics from this forum, it starts with someone stating an opinion, and then a huge flame war starts because one person doesn't like that persons opinion(s).
do you think the person starting this thread wanted a rational debate?  i mean, the whole tone of his post is "democrats are the root of every problem in american society."  this also implies, though he doesn't state it, that the republicans are the only party that can do any good for the country.  this kind of partisanship doesn't do anyone any good at all.  if the two parties can't work together, nothing will be accomplished.  the fact of the matter is, the great majority of america (including myself) falls somewhere between hardcore democrat and hardcore republican.  it's absolutely insane to think that you can be extreme left- or extreme right-wing and accomplish anything.  you just divide people.
acEofspadEs6313
Shiny! Let's be bad guys.
+102|7119|NAS Jacksonville, Florida

kilgoretrout wrote:

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

Ffs, why can't any of you damn people let others have an opinion and have a decent debate about it? Everytime I read topics from this forum, it starts with someone stating an opinion, and then a huge flame war starts because one person doesn't like that persons opinion(s).
do you think the person starting this thread wanted a rational debate?  i mean, the whole tone of his post is "democrats are the root of every problem in american society."  this also implies, though he doesn't state it, that the republicans are the only party that can do any good for the country.  this kind of partisanship doesn't do anyone any good at all.  if the two parties can't work together, nothing will be accomplished.  the fact of the matter is, the great majority of america (including myself) falls somewhere between hardcore democrat and hardcore republican.  it's absolutely insane to think that you can be extreme left- or extreme right-wing and accomplish anything.  you just divide people.
I'd like to think that they'd start a thread for a rational debate.
golgoj4
Member
+51|7201|North Hollywood

topal63 wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:


Your opinion and rant is weak, baseless and nothing but a personal attack on the Former Marine. Additionally, Bush is not a "fucking"idiot. He probably has more intellect than you. And to say that he has "wasted the lives of American serviceman" and on and on... You disclose how you really believe what we are doing. Do you have no understanding of what the US Armed Forces does? Did you ever take US History lessons? You, sir, are VERY out-of-touch. You might want to take a look at you're self. But I can already surmise, that you are to closed-minded at this point in your life to even think--- you might be the one in the wrong, and care to humbly admit it.        One day you will

P.S. Since your such an Expert on so many topics, How does a "Real Marine" act? Are you one? Not likely Care to enlighten us, with your own words of wisdom, on this? Please, do!
Baseless? I didn't realize that submitting to the king was the mark of bravery.

do I know what the armed forces does? no why dont you explain since your asking dip shit questions

More history classes than you probly?

As far as being out of touch, well, i call it being able to use my brain. But then I haven't been brainwashed like so many here. Military wasnt so successful there...

As far as me being wrong, I dont think that will be proved anytime soon. *Points @ iraq* yeah, thats gonna magically fix itself. Stop co-signing for the king and look at whats really going on around you.
Hey dumb dumb - I will tell you what Marines do... they do there DUTY. They do not make POLICY. They do not PICK the FIGHT - they JUST FIGHT. Comprehend?

Just doing your DUTY is an ETHIC of incredible proportions. And as far as brain-washing goes, uh so-what even if it's TRUE. Isn't it necessary to turn an ordinary man into an extraordinary man? I think washing out the ordinary is probably necessary!
...but thats the tricky part. Upon conferring with my staff, it has been ruled my earlier statement about 1945 was out of line. I have nothing but respect for the marines. I understand the need for rock solid chain of command. Thats a separate issue that has been wrapped into the war in iraq. I will say this, it sucks the Marines are out there for the imaginary reasons Bush came up with. That means, to me anyways, that I should loudly and vigorously protest and and least speak up.

As far as the second part of your post, it seems to me it depends on the MOS.
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7008|the dank(super) side of Oregon
ooh, can I start my own Republican agenda list?

let's see:

sodomize 15 year old pages-check
expose CIA operatives-check
fuck up so badly that you lose almost all power in a single election-check
associate with closeted, junkie pastors in charge of huge ministries-check
not have the balls to confront the president until democrats are in charge of the legisaltive-check

feel free to contribute.
Chappy556
Member
+14|7127
sodomize 15 year old pages-check
the democrats did sodomy first and did it better (Dem. Gerry Studds actually DID rape someone rather than having a conversation about it over AOL IM's, and the Dem's let him stay in office to boot)

expose CIA operatives-check
Plame was not covert and she was exposed by a fellow Democrat...Armitage

fuck up so badly that you lose almost all power in a single election-check
they lost power because people got sick of conservatives who are conservative in name only

associate with closeted, junkie pastors in charge of huge ministries-check
umm...what?

not have the balls to confront the president until democrats are in charge of the legisaltive-check
they can't stand up to the president because they agreed with him prior to the war, as did most of the democrats (yes clinton, kerry, gore, edwards, kennedy, pilosi all came out and said hussein needed disarming)

good argument when you aren't hindered by actual facts

Last edited by Chappy556 (2007-01-31 07:48:46)

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