BF2S Forums "USMC a brainwashing cult?"

CommieChipmunk wrote:

killer21 wrote:

Anyone who thinks the Corps is a brainwashing service branch is a frigging retard.  Most people who think this can not handle the Marine Corps and thus, are nothing but scary little pussies...

OK this is going to be my last word on the topic because I need to finish my Spanish project.  Spearhead, manipulation is the exact word I was searching for, just couldn't think of it.

But killer21 is a prime example of someone who has little background knowledge on the subject/can't think of any viable come back or argument to make so he has to take a jab at the opposing party.  If you cannot debate and/or can't say anything that means much, then don't post here because this is "debate and serious talk"... Not a mudslinging contest.

Learn to read between the lines and do yourself a favor and go into viewing things like these with an open mind, otherwise you'll come out even more ignorant than before and make yourself look like an ass when you open your mouth..

damn you idiots are just full of it today.

Killer21 has more background knowledge of the military than the person who made that video. Being in it tends to teach you some things.
A person can only tolerate so much with an "open mind" until it becomes apparent that it is nonsense. A video made on the sole opinion of this person cannot be taken as a serious study of the Marine Corps.

TuataraDude wrote:

I'm sorry, but the moment he said the USMC recruits "all the losers, dead enders and other types of scum from the bottom of the barrell" he lost any chance of convincing me he was going to say something intelligent.

About the brainwashing, to a certain extent, this is true. Drilling to get people used to reacting without thinking is not because they want control, it is to increase their chances of survival.

It is rather ironic, because those people he is calling morons died to protect his right to say this tripe.

Same here.  If he thinks Marines are losers perhaps he'd like to engage in some hand to hand combat to prove himself? Since we humans are by nature individuals who like to do what we want, a new recruit has to be trained to  follow orders.  Some label that "brainwashing" - I call it common sense.  If someone volunteers to be a Marine, the Marines have the right to teach him how they see fit.  And as you said, it's for survival.

Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

Sorry, had to stop it after 20 seconds due to the annoying faggot voice.

QFT

I wouldn't go as far as brain washing, but people do get de-sensitised but its so they can do they damm job. A marine who runs around giving hugs to the enemy ain't of much used to anyone are they?

CommieChipmunk wrote:

killer21 wrote:

Anyone who thinks the Corps is a brainwashing service branch is a frigging retard.  Most people who think this can not handle the Marine Corps and thus, are nothing but scary little pussies...

OK this is going to be my last word on the topic because I need to finish my Spanish project.  Spearhead, manipulation is the exact word I was searching for, just couldn't think of it.


But killer21 is a prime example of someone who has little background knowledge on the subject/can't think of any viable come back or argument to make so he has to take a jab at the opposing party.  If you cannot debate and/or can't say anything that means much, then don't post here because this is "debate and serious talk"... Not a mudslinging contest.

Learn to read between the lines and do yourself a favor and go into viewing things like these with an open mind, otherwise you'll come out even more ignorant than before and make yourself look like an ass when you open your mouth..

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|=-sL-.Cujucuyo. wrote:

Listen to the guys voice (as if you can't) he sounds so pathetic, he's an inbred moron, that's all he is. $5 he got beat up everyday at school.

damn you idiots are just full of it today.

So what, are you telling me you support the moron in the video making a bad name out of the US Marines?

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Admittedly, I only got about halfway through....  You should know by now though that I am typically an anti-government voice here.  I just don't like people like this narrator, because he gives anti-establishment movements a bad name.  It's kind of like how Libertarianism has a lot of good ideas, but the party is often weighed down by nutcases.  This guy sounds like a typical conspiracy theorist who lacks in facts and direction.

Still, I agree with a very small amount of what he's said.  Most of my distrust concerning Iraq is not aimed at soldiers, however.  I just distrust the defense contractors.  Soldiers are trained to serve our society -- corporations are trained to make a buck regardless of the costs to society.

this is getting to be quite the quote pyramid but again, completely agree.

Though I think that this so called "brainwashing" begins at a very early age.  I have a kid in one of my classes whose mom is in Iraq and the other day he was telling us about how his mom just sent him a picture of her in some helicopter helmet smiling and he put it up on his myspace account with a caption titled "when my mom kills, she smiles".  And that's the kind of sick stuff that doesn't come naturally.  Personally I think it is a symptom of media domination, most people don't really think for themselves anymore, but I guess it's necessary in order to keep the masses controlled and "well educated" on current events.

Good points...  I don't really know how to avoid that aspect of society, but the more cynical part of me feels that it is inevitable.

What I'm about to say is a generalization of only some of the soldiers out there, but before I'm flamed to death, I'll reiterate that it also applies to people in general.

There are a lot of people out there that are easily manipulated.  There's a reason why the average human IQ is between 90 and 100, despite how many people are well above that range.  In order to average things out, quite a few people have an IQ closer to 85 as well.  Whatever the case, without a proper education and an innate desire to think independently, some people really do fit what that guy was talking about.

It's just that he makes the mistake of generalizing all Marines this way.  I'm sure there are a few Gomer Pyles in the Corps that mean well but have never been the sharpest knives in the drawer.  In many cases, it's not really relevant to their job performance though.  All of the branches of the military are complicated in their purposes, and the Marines is far from being a monolithic institution.  This diversity of talent and aptitude is what helps it function properly.  You don't have to be a rocket scientist to fill the role of the average soldier.  That being said, I doubt many rocket scientists would have the physical fortitude or willpower necessary to be a soldier.  On the other hand, you usually have to be pretty bright to fill some of the more complicated and technical positions in the armed forces.

Since some people are likely to be manipulated one way or another, I'd rather they be directed at something usually productive (like the Marines) rather than say... working in a call center or entering "thug" culture.

This is basically an acknowledgment of Nietzsche's Untermenschen and Ubermenschen ideas.  Some people are meant to lead, but most are meant to follow.  This generally makes a soldier an Untermensch (a follower) and an officer an Ubermensch (a leader).  Yet, the follower is just as important as the leader, because without a large group of loyal followers, you're going to have a weak defense force.

So...  without too much more blabbering, it's a good thing that some people are more cooperative and trusting than others.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-01-25 18:09:03)

Why doesn't he complete the so called easy training course and quit? God I hate this guy so disrespectful and does he actually have any proof of the stuff his saying.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

But killer21 is a prime example of someone who has little background knowledge on the subject/can't think of any viable come back or argument to make so he has to take a jab at the opposing party.  If you cannot debate and/or can't say anything that means much, then don't post here because this is "debate and serious talk"... Not a mudslinging contest.

I spent 7 years in the Marine Corps so I am pretty sure I have an extensive background on that particular subject.  Again, people who have not be in the Corps just assume people are "brainwashed" because they believe what they see in movies.

How does not having experience within the Marines give the guy who made it a valid view of the subject? A Marine can more effectively evaluate the demographics of idiocy in his/her own experience, too. A psychologist who does a study on that matter should be shot anyway for thinking there can be any correlation between stupid people and joining the military; for that matter, you could do the same thing on brain surgeons/rocket scientists.

jonsimon wrote:

killer21 wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

But killer21 is a prime example of someone who has little background knowledge on the subject/can't think of any viable come back or argument to make so he has to take a jab at the opposing party.  If you cannot debate and/or can't say anything that means much, then don't post here because this is "debate and serious talk"... Not a mudslinging contest.

I spent 7 years in the Marine Corps so I am pretty sure I have an extensive background on that particular subject.  Again, people who have not be in the Corps just assume people are "brainwashed" because they believe what they see in movies.

Having been in the Marine Corps actually invalidates your opinion on the subject. Having been exposed to alleged psychological 'brainwashing' your opinion is circumspect and near-worthless on the topic. Now, if you were a psychologist who had done a study on the subject, you might be worth listening to. But you are not, and neither is the person in the video, so you have more things in common than you thought.

DesertFox423 wrote:

How does not having experience within the Marines give the guy who made it a valid view of the subject? A Marine can more effectively evaluate the demographics of idiocy in his/her own experience, too. A psychologist who does a study on that matter should be shot anyway for thinking there can be any correlation between stupid people and joining the military; for that matter, you could do the same thing on brain surgeons/rocket scientists.

Volatile_Squirrel wrote:

Sorry, had to stop it after 20 seconds due to the annoying faggot voice.

Is this better?

Drunken_Tankdriver wrote:

That sounds like the words of some of these liberal minded twats on this forum.


What a jackass i wouldnt mind finding out his address.

Lol they just keep on coming.