BF2S Forums Great Britain has an Extremist Problem

In response to the the new video posted.  Of which i watched for about 20 seconds and laughed raucously.

I would have slapped him and told him to shut the fuck up.  Look at him, i bet he's on drugs.

How can you take these people seriously?! I nearly wet myself listening to him.

usmarine2007 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

ATG wrote:

Ya, I more like to kill myself instead you bastard

So you are trying to now claim the racial profiling of a whole race based on a TINY minority, is not racist? I think you sir are delusional.

It is not the TINY minority that worries, me, it is the majority of muslims who do not speak out against the hateful preachings, or the be headings and kidnappings.  But they sure as hell speak out against a cartoon.

Essentially, you are not worried about violent criminals, but you are worried about normal people trying to live their lives peacefully?

Perhaps I will blame Vancouverites for not speaking out against violence against women, instead of blaming serial killer Willie Pickton. That's how ridiculous you sound.

Continuing to ignore what many Muslims do to condemn radical Islamists will not solve the problem.

usmarine2007 wrote:

Drakef wrote:

Perhaps I will blame Vancouverites for not speaking out against violence against women, instead of blaming serial killer Willie Pickton. That's how ridiculous you sound.

I am not blaming anyone for anything you asshat, read more carefully.

Perhaps you failed to read the entire paragraph. It is as ridiculous to make such a claim as I did, not the same claim.

Let me try again:

It is not the TINY minority that worries, me, it is the majority of muslims who do not speak out against the hateful preachings, or the be headings and kidnappings.  But they sure as hell speak out against a cartoon.

Essentially, you are not worried about violent criminals, but you are worried about normal people trying to live their lives peacefully?

UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

Of my entire paragraph, half of a sentence is all you can debate?? Oh well.

The UN deemed Iraq a security threat to the world. Yet refused to do anything about Iraq for over 10 years, except threaten "serious consequences" if it did not comply with the resolutions. Since the UN didn't act. The US did, on its own behalf, for our own nation security reasons. Security reasons, the rest of the world agreed were real, given the intel of the day.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.  Which is why the inspections had resumed just before the invasion...

Can I just say; great plan for long term national security, now America is tied up in quagmires on two fronts and everything.


Running cover for Clinton's blowjob scandal?

"riiiiiight"?!!......maybe you need to go back and re-read the resolutions and see for yourself that the UN held Iraq as a high threat to world peace.

I expect more of the member nations regard Amerca as a bigger threat to world peace.  The only reason there aren't any resolutions against America is the veto system, no-one can get them through.  You won't find any passed resolutions can you find condemning any of the five veto weilding states.

And you can squirm and wriggle all you want to say that it was permitted by UN resolutions, but it wasn't. 

Kofi Annan, BBC, September, 2004 wrote:

"From our point of view and from the Charter point of view it (the war) was illegal."

The coalition were essentially a vigilante lynch mob, and like all lynch mobs it ended up with someone being put in front of a kangaroo court then strung up.

I don't have to "squirm and wriggle", I never said the resolutions gave permittion for the US to do anything. I said the UN recognized Iraq as a threat ( WHICH IT DID, or dispute it) and that the US grew tired of the UN to act on its threats and in the name of our own national security acted themselves.

UON wrote:

lowing wrote:

UON wrote:

The coalition were essentially a vigilante lynch mob, and like all lynch mobs it ended up with someone being put in front of a kangaroo court then strung up.

I don't have to "squirm and wriggle", I never said the resolutions gave permittion for the US to do anything. I said the UN recognized Iraq as a threat ( WHICH IT DID, or dispute it) and that the US grew tired of the UN to act on its threats and in the name of our own national security acted themselves.

In other words, a vigilante lynch mob...

That's silly.

Get this thread back on topic or it will be closed. It is not about the invasion of Iraq.

The original videos showed hidden footage from inside mosques. It showed radical books and tapes being sold in the parking lot flee markets I guess they have.

Not all Muslims are bad, but to deny England, and indeed all of Europe have a Muslim problem is to deny the obvious.

By admitting there is a problem, perhaps a real fix can  be found, and I haven't made any suggestions as to what that might be.


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Wow, 363 replies and 15 pages, it seems I picked a hot topic.

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Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:

Not all Muslims are bad, but to deny England, and indeed all of Europe have a Muslim problem is to deny the obvious.

They also have problems with crime, employment, literacy and a slew of other things.  In fact, the problems of any country are innumerable.  The question is whether any one problem outweighs others.

Quite right. For example, I bet my ass more people have died last year alone, in car accidents, or shootings, or through passive smoking-related illnesses, than have been killed by violent muslim fanatics.

Yet, people still drive cars, smoke cigarettes and buy firearms.

usmarine2007 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

It is not the TINY minority that worries, me, it is the majority of muslims who do not speak out against the hateful preachings, or the be headings and kidnappings.  But they sure as hell speak out against a cartoon.

1.  They don't give a fuck about the great Satan's battle with a load of bearded uncles and vice versa.

OR

2.  As B.Schuss correctly identified, they are too westernised to give a fuck, like me  

You're on your own, good luck.

Yeah, the ones that protested about cartoon? More extremists i am afraid, not representative.

Not sure I understand you or Schuss.  When that cartoon thing happened, every local news channel was talking to the local muslim community, which the all expressed anger.  Yet that anger could not be found BEFORE we resumed hostilities in Iraq when they cut off that one dudes head.  Explain that to me?  You say they don't care, but it sure does not seem that way when you talk about Israel or mohammed.

Well, some people take their religion seriously. If I publicly peed on the picture of the virgin mary, or burned a cross, there'd be an outrage among those of deep chrstian faith. There is even a good chance that I'd receive death threats from christian fanatics ( abortion clinics, anyone ? ).

Then again, there'd be some who wouldn't give a damn. And those would be the majority. But everyone would focus on the minority who protests, and forget about the majority who did not care.

Isn't it always like that ? It only takes a minority to ruin it for the majority.

When the mohamad cartoon story broke last year, I followed the news reports in germany and watched a lot of interviews with german muslims and although most of them weren't really appreciative ( doh, that's a surprise ) of what had happened, the majority couldn't be bothered to engage in protests either.
Most of them, especially the young, second or third generation muslims are so westernized that they'd prefer to sit in front of their Playstations and X-Boxes and stuff themselves with fast food than go out and protest for something that doesn't play a huge role in their lifes anyway.
They just don't give a damn.

Bubbalo wrote:

ATG wrote:

Not all Muslims are bad, but to deny England, and indeed all of Europe have a Muslim problem is to deny the obvious.

They also have problems with crime, employment, literacy and a slew of other things.  In fact, the problems of any country are innumerable.  The question is whether any one problem outweighs others.

QTF

The Muslim thing is just a small part of how fucked up our country is right now.  I'd say the majority of people find the appallingly crushing taxes & and the law system where the judges are giving out bullshit sentences as the prisons are jam packed are more of a problem than a few radicals trying to cause shit which most people are ignoring.

usmarine2007 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

ATG wrote:

Ya, I more like to kill myself instead you bastard

So you are trying to now claim the racial profiling of a whole race based on a TINY minority, is not racist? I think you sir are delusional.

It is not the TINY minority that worries, me, it is the majority of muslims who do not speak out against the hateful preachings, or the be headings and kidnappings.  But they sure as hell speak out against a cartoon.

Do you mean like all these muslims protesting against terrorism?

In Morocco

No to Terror, Down with Terror and Zarqawi

Yes to the moderate and tolerant Islam

In Jordan

Where 200'000 people demonstrated against terrorism and al-Zarqawi.

All the muslim leaders who condemn terrorist activities on tv and in the press on a very regular basis seem to have gone unnoticed by you too. Maybe you're watching the wrong sort of news?

Vilham wrote:

crimson_grunt. Our taxes are needed. Dont even start with complaining about fucking taxes. That just realy pisses me off. Its the people that complain about taxes, then once they are lowered complain about a drop in the quality of our services. Well you dont fucking say!

Sure I know taxes are needed I pay my share.  I'm talking about the ridiculous stealth ones and the taxing dead people thorough the nose etc.  I'm complaining about the fortune Gordon brown is skimming of an already over taxed nation through sneaky tactics.

I feel sorry for all the students paying top up fees etc despite labours promise never to introduce them.  Thats all I'm getting at, I don't want rid of taxes I want some fair scheme where 70-80 year olds aren't been sent to prison cause they can't pay it.

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-01-22 05:22:05)