jonsimon
Member
+224|6922

ATG wrote:

No, they are saying they are going to accomplish this and that in a certain time frame, but they control the clock and it only runs when they want it to.
What can you expect? Politicans suck.
UnknownRanger
Squirrels, natures little speedbump.
+610|6772|Cali

ATG wrote:

http://i18.tinypic.com/47tpg0x.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/2njd860.jpg

Laughing out loud at democrats.


On Friday, for example, the House was in session for a little more than eight hours. Only five of them, however, ticked off on new Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record)'s 100-hour clock for quickly passing a six-bill agenda that Democrats promised voters last fall.

With passage of a bill to make the government negotiate for lower Medicare prescription drug prices, Pelosi, D-Calif., is two-thirds of the way done — in under a quarter of the allotted hours, according to her count.

That's because just as the official clock for a basketball or football game stops for time-outs and commercial breaks, Democrats aren't counting the minutes spent on business unrelated to those six designated bills.

Clock ticking on Dems' 100-hour agenda lolz...
Hey i have a clock like that.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
I expecting nothing less. Still the unfettered audacity of the liberal democrats never ceases to amaze.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6969|Texas - Bigger than France

jonsimon wrote:

No, an increase in wages causes an increase in inflation. But an increase in the minimum wage doesn't change wages unless the increase is above the current equilibrium price of labor. If ATG is paying his employees $10/hour already, and the minimum wage rises from $5.15/hour to $7.81/hour, ATG isn't affected and wages do not rise. You people keep making the faulty assumption that the minimum wage is currently at the equillibrium price.
As the price index rises, you have to pay people more so they can buy stuff.  So, eventually if you don't pay your people more, they will find higher paying jobs elsewhere.  Plus it lowers GDP, increases illegal immigration, increases foreign competion...etc etc etc.

ATG is affected - his vendor costs will go up.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6814

ATG wrote:

No, they are saying they are going to accomplish this and that in a certain time frame, but they control the clock and it only runs when they want it to.
Oh ok, thats alittle better, because if they were thinking only 100 hours a year I was about to go kill them all....
jonsimon
Member
+224|6922

Pug wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

No, an increase in wages causes an increase in inflation. But an increase in the minimum wage doesn't change wages unless the increase is above the current equilibrium price of labor. If ATG is paying his employees $10/hour already, and the minimum wage rises from $5.15/hour to $7.81/hour, ATG isn't affected and wages do not rise. You people keep making the faulty assumption that the minimum wage is currently at the equillibrium price.
As the price index rises, you have to pay people more so they can buy stuff.  So, eventually if you don't pay your people more, they will find higher paying jobs elsewhere.  Plus it lowers GDP, increases illegal immigration, increases foreign competion...etc etc etc.

ATG is affected - his vendor costs will go up.
You're missing the point. If the price floor NEVER exceeds the equillibrium price, nothing will really change. The only effect is that anyone who was taking advantage of their labor and paying them less than the equillibrium price will have to pay equillibirum. You're either missing the point, or blowing a tiny little change out of proportion.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
As a business person, I can set my selling price where ever I want to and that is sustainable. Other companies do not have that luxury.
Look at resturants; gas, workers comp, taxes licenses are all over the place. The price of lettuce may change =/- 0.25 per month, but do their prices fluxxuate?
No.

Tell you one thing, when I am bidding a job, if you are a lawyer or government official I paint a giant target in my brain on your ass and proceed to rape it for every penny I can.
People paying in currency get priority treatment, if you understand me.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6920|Connecticut
Damn you ATG
And now from the periodic table;
     
WebElements periodic table of the elements

The periodic table of the chemical elements is an arrangement of the elements ordered by atomic number in columns (groups) and rows (periods) so as to emphasize their periodic properties. WebElements is the periodic table on the web.
Group     1     2           3     4     5     6     7     8     9     10     11     12     13     14     15     16     17     18
Period   
1     1
H         2
He
2     3
Li     4
Be         5
B     6
C     7
N     8
O     9
F     10
Ne
3     11
Na     12
Mg         13
Al     14
Si     15
P     16
S     17
Cl     18
Ar
4     19
K     20
Ca         21
Sc     22
Ti     23
V     24
Cr     25
Mn     26
Fe     27
Co     28
Ni     29
Cu     30
Zn     31
Ga     32
Ge     33
As     34
Se     35
Br     36
Kr
5     37
Rb     38
Sr         39
Y     40
Zr     41
Nb     42
Mo     43
Tc     44
Ru     45
Rh     46
Pd     47
Ag     48
Cd     49
In     50
Sn     51
Sb     52
Te     53
I     54
Xe
6     55
Cs     56
Ba     *     71
Lu     72
Hf     73
Ta     74
W     75
Re     76
Os     77
Ir     78
Pt     79
Au     80
Hg     81
Tl     82
Pb     83
Bi     84
Po     85
At     86
Rn
7     87
Fr     88
Ra     **     103
Lr     104
Rf     105
Db     106
Sg     107
Bh     108
Hs     109
Mt     110
Ds     111
Rg     112
Uub     113
Uut     114
Uuq     115
Uup     116
Uuh     117
Uus     118
Uuo
   
*Lanthanoids     *     57
La     58
Ce     59
Pr     60
Nd     61
Pm     62
Sm     63
Eu     64
Gd     65
Tb     66
Dy     67
Ho     68
Er     69
Tm     70
Yb         
**Actinoids     **     89
Ac     90
Th     91
Pa     92
U     93
Np     94
Pu     95
Am     96
Cm     97
Bk     98
Cf     99
Es     100
Fm     101
Md     102
No
Malloy must go
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
lolz
I'm gonna report you

Last edited by ATG (2007-01-15 19:29:52)

stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7147|California

I lol @ Noble Gases.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
Theres more going on here than meets the eye.
djphetal
Go Ducks.
+346|6763|Oregon

Commie Killer wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:


Would he still be a Dem? It's a different party than what it used to be.
Good point.
If FDR, JFK, and others like them were still alive, they would drop the democratic party immediately after they saw it, probably starting a new party.
yes, and coming from a liberal, a better party. Todays democrats are far too conservative and weak minded.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6969|Texas - Bigger than France

jonsimon wrote:

Pug wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

No, an increase in wages causes an increase in inflation. But an increase in the minimum wage doesn't change wages unless the increase is above the current equilibrium price of labor. If ATG is paying his employees $10/hour already, and the minimum wage rises from $5.15/hour to $7.81/hour, ATG isn't affected and wages do not rise. You people keep making the faulty assumption that the minimum wage is currently at the equillibrium price.
As the price index rises, you have to pay people more so they can buy stuff.  So, eventually if you don't pay your people more, they will find higher paying jobs elsewhere.  Plus it lowers GDP, increases illegal immigration, increases foreign competion...etc etc etc.

ATG is affected - his vendor costs will go up.
You're missing the point. If the price floor NEVER exceeds the equillibrium price, nothing will really change. The only effect is that anyone who was taking advantage of their labor and paying them less than the equillibrium price will have to pay equillibirum. You're either missing the point, or blowing a tiny little change out of proportion.
I assure you I am not missing the point.  I'm trying to get you to see beyond the gears and see the whole machine. 

You're saying the price floor never exceeds the equilibrium price because it is assumed to be raised by the same percentage, or the company/market can absorb the offset.  One of the results of increasing the cost input, is to increase the opportunity of alternative methods of doing business.  Like outsourcing.

As far as blowing out of proportion - This isn't a 5 cent increase.  Its a bundle.

We've done this before re: minimum wage.  You are assuming that nothing will happen if the cost input increases - the company won't do anything differently, people won't mind paying more money for the basics, companies won't outsource to low labor markets overseas to maintain profit margins, illegal immigrants are good for the economy...etc etc etc.

As far as the "well no one works at the minimum wage anyway" then this applies:  if you are being paid around the new minimum wage level, you're going to ask for a raise...because "no one works at minimum wage".  The manager above that individual sees he's being paid close to the new wage earner, he asks for a raise.  The manager's supervisor sees he's being paid close to the manager so he asks for a raise....that's why everyone gets paid more?  But that's a theory that you do not perscribe to.

So I do understand your point, but I'm trying to shed some light on some likely results of raising the wage level.

But what you have minimized completely - is adding another inflationary measure into our economy a good thing?  And why do you think increasing the minimum wage is a good?

Last edited by Pug (2007-01-15 19:41:37)

stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7147|California

ATG wrote:

Theres more going on here than meets the eye.
O really?

You cant help but laugh at Helium though, its all alone, all emo-like.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6920|Connecticut

ATG wrote:

Theres more going on here than meets the eye.
Im done I promise!! good game, minus the ass smack.
Malloy must go
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
AU ftw

deeznutz1245 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Theres more going on here than meets the eye.
Im done I promise!! good game, minus the ass smack.
Why'd you delete your pretty thread my precious?

Last edited by ATG (2007-01-15 19:43:20)

deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6920|Connecticut

ATG wrote:

AU ftw

deeznutz1245 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Theres more going on here than meets the eye.
Im done I promise!! good game, minus the ass smack.
Why'd you delete your pretty thread my precious?
It was train wrecked by George Bush, Condy, Rumsfeld and the rest of the gang!
Malloy must go
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
Right then.
24's on.
Later.
beerface702
Member
+65|7120|las vegas
it went up here in neveda to 6.15 an hour, from 5.15. nothing really

i work on min wage+commission.

it was nice, but the cost of living just goes up a notch, so it all offset's itself

most people in this town work on min wage ie. bartenders, poker dealers, valet, host, conicerge..etc etc.

but gross 60K+ a year

some valet do 100K..

the min means nothing to me anyway

i sell laptops for a living..nothing glamrous.

i heard today the min may jump yet again by may to 8.15 an hour, which is bad for me, beacuse my draw goes up higher. either that or the company will settle for a fixed wage of say 12.50 an hour...so who knows
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7199|PNW

deeznutz1245 wrote:

**Actinoids     **
"Actinoids" should be an alien name if they ever do another X-Com.
.:XDR:.PureFodder
Member
+105|7256

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

**Actinoids     **
"Actinoids" should be an alien name if they ever do another X-Com.
I was really dissapointed when I found out that there was no Elerium-115 (real name Ununpentium). Any Isotope having 115 protons is inherently unstable (microsecond lifetimes) no matter how many neutrons it has.

No heavy plasma guns for me.

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