U.S. Troop Morale in Iraq High

2007-01-14 22:48:25

#26

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7142

Bubbalo wrote:
In the traditional sense, you are an empire, because you took control of the Indian nations.

Practically no-one realises this, and instead claims the US is an empire on other grounds.

Having said that: I wasn't commenting on whether the US is or isn't an empire, rather I was pointing out that ATG clearly misunderstood what an empire is. Personally, I think calling the US an empire is something of a stretch.

If I was a mod, I would've given you a 3 day vacation for constantly derailing threads created by ATG.

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2007-01-14 23:05:51

#27

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6987

The bulk of text written by ATG was about whether America is an empire, based on it's volunteer army. If he doesn't want it to be discussed, he shouldn't bring it up.

What other threads of his have I derailed?

2007-01-14 23:07:08

#28

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6955|Global Command

Bah, Robot, you over estimate Lizards powers.

Bubbalo wrote:
In the traditional sense, you are an empire, because you took control of the Indian nations.

Practically no-one realises this, and instead claims the US is an empire on other grounds.

Having said that: I wasn't commenting on whether the US is or isn't an empire, rather I was pointing out that ATG clearly misunderstood what an empire is. Personally, I think calling the US an empire is something of a stretch.

Nonsense, I was making fun of people like you who scorn America as an imperialistic power.
Kinda odd that you focus in on one word in one sentence as make like It's the bulk of my text.

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2007-01-14 23:11:44

#29

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6987

When have I ever scorned America as imperialistic?

2007-01-14 23:12:47

#30

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6955|Global Command

Oh please, your not going to get me searching and pasting your posts.

2007-01-14 23:16:57

#31

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7027|132 and Bush

The broad definition of an empire would include Venezuela and Iran as well (Just to name a couple).

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-01-14 23:17:17

#32

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6987

You can search, if you want, but there'll be no pasting, because I have never called America imperialistic. Do they have some traits that an imperial nation might have? Sure. By the same token, a runner might have some traits that a high jumper might have. But I don't runner around calling runners high jumpers.

2007-01-14 23:17:34

#33

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6955|Global Command

Kmarion to the rescue.
Okay then Bubbalo, tell me, how would you define America and its role in the world.

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2007-01-14 23:20:38

#34

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6987

How so? We aren't discussing what nations are empires, nor whether the US is an empire. Rather, I was pointing out that an empire could have a volunteer armed force.

2007-01-14 23:22:13

#35

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6987

ATG wrote:
Okay then Bubbalo, tell me, how would you define America and its role in the world.

I'd answer, but it has no relevance to the discussion at hand, and I wouldn't want to derail your thread

2007-01-14 23:22:35

#36

Miller: IT'S MILLER TIME!; +271|7182|United States of America

Quit trying to dodge the questions.

2007-01-14 23:27:50

#37

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6955|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:
ATG wrote:
Okay then Bubbalo, tell me, how would you define America and its role in the world.
I'd answer, but it has no relevance to the discussion at hand, and I wouldn't want to derail your thread

Go ahead.

2007-01-14 23:47:51

#38

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6987

No, really, I don't want to step on any toes, and it has no relevance to the point I was making.

2007-01-15 00:00:14

#39

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7142

How about we settle this with another round of Libs VS Cons eh?

2007-01-15 00:15:02

#40

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6955|Global Command

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
How about we settle this with another round of Libs VS Cons eh?

Done and done.
Sir Kmarion has a server and a website we can sub-forum on.

Who's in?

2007-01-15 00:20:46

#41

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6987

And yet I get accused on derailing threads.......................

2007-01-15 00:36:00

#42

Ender2309: has joined the GOP; +470|6997|USA

Bubbalo wrote:
In the traditional sense, you are an empire, because you took control of the Indian nations.

Practically no-one realises this, and instead claims the US is an empire on other grounds.

Having said that: I wasn't commenting on whether the US is or isn't an empire, rather I was pointing out that ATG clearly misunderstood what an empire is. Personally, I think calling the US an empire is something of a stretch.

in that case, you're an empire too, having taken over the lands of the aborigines.

as well, we're pretty much all empires now, cause we all took land from another nation at some point in another. therefore, your point is nonexistent.

2007-01-15 01:09:27

#43

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6981

ATG wrote:
Three entities are behind the continued unrest in Iraq.

3) the democratic party in America.

Democrat party - in control of congress/senate for .... 15 days.

ATG seems to be saying that there would be no/far less civil unrest had the Republican party won congress and senate. Somehow I think we all know that's BS.

Frankly it doesn't really matter what party is in power. Neither will make much/any long term difference to the insurgency. This latest little plan will lead to this:
a) Insurgency clears out of Baghdad.
b) Insurgency works its way back in from the suburbs when the time is right again.
It's quite predictable.

Also ATG - I think you'll find the biggest empire builders of old have a volunteer army, Britain. Iran has a volunteer army too incidentally. You do realise that you get paid for volunteering don't you?

The true story of Iraq will come out in a 'Platoon' style movie in about 5 years time when peopl will look back and say 'wtf were doing wasting our time in there?'.

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2007-01-15 01:16:28

#44

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6987

Ender2309 wrote:
in that case, you're an empire too, having taken over the lands of the aborigines.

as well, we're pretty much all empires now, cause we all took land from another nation at some point in another. therefore, your point is nonexistent.

I never said that Australia wasn't an empire. Having said that:

1) To declare all nations empires is foolish: an empire consists primarly of nations united through conquest

2) Australia never waged war with aboriginies, as such there can be some debate as to whether we are technically an empire

Besides, I'm not the one going on about the US being an empire.

2007-01-15 02:01:58

#45

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7097|UK

ATG wrote:
U.S. Troop Morale in Iraq High, Marine Commander Says

http://www.sofmag.com/news/authorresult … %20Service
Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service wrote:

Sunday, December 10 2006 8:23 PM

AL ASAD, Iraq, Dec. 9, 2006 – Even with all the debate in the U.S. over Iraq strategy, morale on the ground here is good, the commander of Multinational Force West said today.

Marine Maj. Gen. Richard Zilmer said that retention among Marines based in Iraq is more than 140 percent of the goal. "If they didn't think what they were doing was important, then they wouldn't reenlist," he said during an interview.

He said the situation in Anbar province is difficult, but progress is being made. "It's going to be slow," Zilmer said. "We will be at this for a long time."

The general said he is encouraged by cooperation tribal sheikhs are providing the coalition in the province. Local leaders in and around Ramadi finally had enough of al Qaeda in Iraq violence and intimidation and began cooperating with the U.S. forces in the area. "The sheikhs have a lot of power," Zilmer said. "As soon as they put it out that people should cooperate, we started getting volunteers."
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Overall, the combined U.S. forces met their recruiting goals last year.

Kinda odd that the worlds leading purveyor of imperialism ( according in CameronPoe and cohorts ) has a all volunteer military service? Any talk of draft you hear is nothing but daft politics. There are enough good American out there that understand we are fighting a important war that a draft is not needed here.

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Zilmer?! What an impartial person to choose! I unequivocally believe him, i am seriously won over!

Someone's getting desperate arn't we?

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-01-15 02:34:11

#46

JahManRed: wank; +646|7054|IRELAND

ATG wrote:
Overall, the combined U.S. forces met their recruiting goals last year.

Kinda odd that the worlds leading purveyor of imperialism ( according in CameronPoe and cohorts ) has a all volunteer military service? Any talk of draft you hear is nothing but daft politics. There are enough good American out there that understand we are fighting a important war that a draft is not needed here.

You can thank your government's spin department and the, in the pocket media, for convincing these guys to risk their lives for "freedom, liberty, justice, democracy" Protecting America etc etc putting a great big smoke screen down on the real reasons for war. To install a western friendly regime and guarantee the free flow of oil to the west.

If the US government had been honest about it's real reasons for invasion, their would be a draft now. Playing with peoples lives is disgusting and not democratic in the slightest. It is exactly what a power hungry elite trying to create an empire must do to make its people give up their lives for a dollar.
Cohort, lol.

2007-01-15 02:36:14

#47

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7192|UK

Its good to see that Americans are disillusioned to think they are fighting an "important war" and arent "killing civilians and occupying their country".

And since when does a generals opinion count as that of the average soldier.. it never has and my mate who was in the Marines for 7 years would be pissed off if a British general was so presumptuous.

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2007-01-15 02:37:44

#48

(T)eflon(S)hadow: R.I.P. Neda; +456|7255|Grapevine, TX

Bubbalo wrote:

Did you guys hear something? Oh, I guess it was nothing.

2007-01-15 02:37:46

#49

beerface702: Member; +65|7119|las vegas

ATG wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Stories like this aren't as entertaining.
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Three entities are behind the continued unrest in Iraq.

1) the Sunni/Shia militias and the outside meddlers.
2) The Press
3) the democratic party in America.

brilliant

you hit the nail on the head with 3 simple phrases

i agree

its unfornate people cant see past their daily drudge and misinformation

2007-01-15 03:05:28

#50

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6981

beerface702 wrote:
ATG wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Stories like this aren't as entertaining.
http://i16.tinypic.com/40pgb5z.jpg
Three entities are behind the continued unrest in Iraq.

1) the Sunni/Shia militias and the outside meddlers.
2) The Press
3) the democratic party in America.
brilliant

you hit the nail on the head with 3 simple phrases

i agree

its unfornate people cant see past their daily drudge and misinformation

LOL. What a shining example of misinformity and partisan bullshit.

"The Democrat party are behind the continued unrest in Iraq"

Listen to yourself for fuck sake. That's patently ridiculous. Not to mention the fact they've only been in power for 15 days. Very sad.

Please state now in clear and quantifiable measures the actions taken by the Democrat party throughout the current conflict in Iraq that have led to/caused continuation of the civil unrest in Iraq.

There appears to be a shockingly large logic deficit on this forum of late.

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