Do you people honestly believe that the people of the US will just shrug over a nuclear holocaust on its enemies once the US is staggering? People seem pretty pissed over just a few dropped bombs, don't they?
We are a major buying country. We import so much year round that if we were to fall, everyone else in the world would too. Also, we're right in the middle of two oceans, I think it'd be difficult to attack unless comming in from Cananda/Mexico, plus mostly everyone can carry a gun and form their own militia, so it'd be a firefight for every inch of ground if anyone was to attack us. Think about it, the only wars we've had on our own soil have been The Revolutionary and The Civil....to my knowledge...
The fall of an Empire is an inevitable concept. Just like the Roman and British Empires. No Empire is indestructible, they will eventually fall.
China is most likely to be the next Empire because they've just had their Industrial/Technological Revolution. And Japan will most likely be the second. Provided we aren't dead due to Global Warming and/or a Nuclear War.
China is most likely to be the next Empire because they've just had their Industrial/Technological Revolution. And Japan will most likely be the second. Provided we aren't dead due to Global Warming and/or a Nuclear War.
I should quote all of your replies, they are just ignorant and cocky. well, you are a typical american so maybe you have to behave like that. This quote intriges me the most. You say, you have all the money, so why is your country on the brink of a depression? The Russian gourvenment, favors at the moment, Euro's in stead of US dollars.The Bartenders Son wrote:
Ya We Have The $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The americans are putting all their soldiers in foreign countries, to fight for oil, but whatif the oil is gone in around 50 years, what will the next energysource be? were will America be? An attack on US soil is not that hard. just send some nuclear devices with mexican illigal immigrants, who scatter trough America. A nuke in NY, will hurt harder then 10 nukes on 10 different countries.
+1 well saidDoperwt. wrote:
I should quote all of your replies, they are just ignorant and cocky. well, you are a typical american so maybe you have to behave like that. This quote intriges me the most. You say, you have all the money, so why is your country on the brink of a depression? The Russian gourvenment, favors at the moment, Euro's in stead of US dollars.The Bartenders Son wrote:
Ya We Have The $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The americans are putting all their soldiers in foreign countries, to fight for oil, but whatif the oil is gone in around 50 years, what will the next energysource be? were will America be? An attack on US soil is not that hard. just send some nuclear devices with mexican illigal immigrants, who scatter trough America. A nuke in NY, will hurt harder then 10 nukes on 10 different countries.
Perhaps a strained ankle, but that's about it.The Bartenders Son wrote:
Setting at The Bar one night @ www.drunksrus.com on Vent... Someone was talking about how we are like The Romans and we are going to fall...
What's your take.. Do think that we are following in the foot steps of the Romans?
lmao. " always have and always will" just for info, how old is your country (empire) ?d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:
We wont fall, just stagger, and get right back on track. We always have and always will.
PS: china is already few thousands year around, korea ( chosun) was founded 4000 years ago, iran ( persia ) few thousands year too ....
my child how old are you ?
Shitty President=Shitty view of America. we should have voted for fuckin Al Gore
Once Americans wake up to the fact that there were explosives in the twin towers and that 9/11 was pre-planned, America will not fall, it will rise higher than it ever has before by casting off the chains of tyranny as it has already done in the past and creating a real democracy full of liberty and possibility.
What comes up must come down. I'm not saying it's imminent or will happen in my lifetime but empires run in cycles and no empire lasts forever.
If I had to guess what the end would look like for the US? Picture this.{DGC}{jr.}Blitzkrieg wrote:
We are a major buying country. We import so much year round that if we were to fall, everyone else in the world would too. Also, we're right in the middle of two oceans, I think it'd be difficult to attack unless comming in from Cananda/Mexico, plus mostly everyone can carry a gun and form their own militia, so it'd be a firefight for every inch of ground if anyone was to attack us. Think about it, the only wars we've had on our own soil have been The Revolutionary and The Civil....to my knowledge...
Democrats gain power in all three branches of government. They decide they have a perfect opportunity to enact a firearms ban. The well armed militias take this as a sign to rise up against the government. Civil war, the US collapses.
Probably won't happen, but certainly has some feasability to it. Remember, you don't need to be invaded, nuked etc. for an empire to fall.
you honestly think that every countries economy is Dependant on the us. aid ok some countries that doesn't receive aid from the u.s.a well we got Canada, Norway, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Russia, china, japan, Saudi Arabia, united kingdom Brazil Mexico etc list goes on i think your getting co fused of having a big trade partner which is replaceable, and non-Dependant and receiving us aid which is being Dependantstryyker wrote:
Name one country the US doesn't aid and/or support that you care of. ExactlyRobbie77 wrote:
and the countries that the u.s don't aid?stryyker wrote:
Uhh.. negative.
Ever heard of the stock market? Thats just a little part of this issue. International corporations would fail. Countries that the US Aid (Israel, for one) would be without support (and in the case of Israel, weakened defenses).
American Banks > world
To the degree that you're talking about?stryyker wrote:
Name one country the US doesnt aid and/or support that you care of. ExactlyRobbie77 wrote:
and the countris that the u.s don't aid?stryyker wrote:
Uhh.. negative.
Ever heard of the stock market? Thats just a little part of this issue. International corporations would fail. Countries that the US Aid (Israel, for one) would be without support (and in the case of Israel, weakened defenses).
American Banks > world
China, EU, Australia + New Zealand, Japan, Iran. That's just off the top of my head (and excludes countries like Tuvalu who recieve support from countries listed, as well as not taking into account that the EU encompasses a number of nations).
lol this thread is lose.
'amerikkka will fail ggthxnore'
'no u si t3rr0rist AK whore banplsbai'
'amerikkka will fail ggthxnore'
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Like all of those countries are still trading partners with the United States. Very easy for Canada being a neighbor; don't really know about Norweigan trading; Sweden, come on...IKEA!; so forth and such like for the rest especially China, Japan, Saudi, UK. International corporations and whatnot, the consequences if the dollar failed.Robbie77 wrote:
you honestly think that every countries economy is Dependant on the us. aid ok some countries that doesn't receive aid from the u.s.a well we got Canada, Norway, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Russia, china, japan, Saudi Arabia, united kingdom Brazil Mexico etc list goes on i think your getting co fused of having a big trade partner which is replaceable, and non-Dependant and receiving us aid which is being Dependantstryyker wrote:
Name one country the US doesn't aid and/or support that you care of. ExactlyRobbie77 wrote:
and the countries that the u.s don't aid?
Long story short- an economic collapse is not a good thing.
I hope it holds off for at least 2 years, more preferably around 5 or 6 when I might be in a financial position to make money off of it.
I doubt they will fall either, the Americans have no empire, you cant exactly compare them to the Romans. Still if history tells us anything, every nation of power climaxes and goes down hill from there. I cant see a set of circumstances that would cause them to fall, the Americans are probably the most disliked country in the world, but no enemy nation has the strength to take them on. What about china or india? Heck, there economies depend on the USA to grow, but the Americans are there own worst enemy, there funding china's growth till eventually they are surpassed, so perhaps that could be there 'fall'. Romans, Greeks and the British empires all feel, but they were empires of conquest, the Americans arent doing that, so it is very hard to draw comparisons. Though I am all but certain the Americans will loose there crown (probably to china, or if some rather out of the question developments take place in Europe) of worlds most powerful richest nation, but that is about as close as they will get to 'falling'.
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I doubt if any country or 'empire' can truly 'fall' in this modern era. But there is no doubt in my mind that the USA is heading straight into a civil war if they keep messing up like this. Werther it will start in 1 or 10 years, it will come at some point unless the next president somehow manages to clean all the shit Bush left behind.
America isn't as powerful as it thinks itself to be anymore, because as much as the 'patriotic' Americans in this thread seem to believe that America is what keeps the world going around, that's not the case. It's a balance of economy. Europe and China need the US just as much as the US need them. But the US needs Europe and China and even Russia just a little bit more because we have stuff on this side of the ocean which you don't.
Basic fact is that if either Europe or China at one point go: 'Hey hang on a minute, fuck you America we're not doing business with you any more'. Then both sides will crumble.
Either that or the few billion dollar debt America still has around the world which few people seem to even know about. America has been living of trade for the last few decades and if just one country decides to ask back the loan we gave them so many years ago, it will be a major punch in America's economy.
So no, America isn't as strong anymore as it used to be and it could very well go down into a civil war. And as soon as people realize that the better, cuz it's the arogance floating around the country that makes everyone so pissed off at you, including terrorists.
Tiger
America isn't as powerful as it thinks itself to be anymore, because as much as the 'patriotic' Americans in this thread seem to believe that America is what keeps the world going around, that's not the case. It's a balance of economy. Europe and China need the US just as much as the US need them. But the US needs Europe and China and even Russia just a little bit more because we have stuff on this side of the ocean which you don't.
Basic fact is that if either Europe or China at one point go: 'Hey hang on a minute, fuck you America we're not doing business with you any more'. Then both sides will crumble.
Either that or the few billion dollar debt America still has around the world which few people seem to even know about. America has been living of trade for the last few decades and if just one country decides to ask back the loan we gave them so many years ago, it will be a major punch in America's economy.
So no, America isn't as strong anymore as it used to be and it could very well go down into a civil war. And as soon as people realize that the better, cuz it's the arogance floating around the country that makes everyone so pissed off at you, including terrorists.
Tiger
Of course the US will fall. Every major power has it's day and then falls. The only question is when. The Romans lasted for thousands of years, the US has only been around a couple of hundred. Trying to second guess that far into the future is a mugs game.
Very well said, here have a karma I'm not anti-American, fact I lived there for like 60% of my life and owe it a hell of a lot, but theres definetly an arogance to a lot of Americans, that I atleast had to get away from.TigerXtrm wrote:
I doubt if any country or 'empire' can truly 'fall' in this modern era. But there is no doubt in my mind that the USA is heading straight into a civil war if they keep messing up like this. Werther it will start in 1 or 10 years, it will come at some point unless the next president somehow manages to clean all the shit Bush left behind.
America isn't as powerful as it thinks itself to be anymore, because as much as the 'patriotic' Americans in this thread seem to believe that America is what keeps the world going around, that's not the case. It's a balance of economy. Europe and China need the US just as much as the US need them. But the US needs Europe and China and even Russia just a little bit more because we have stuff on this side of the ocean which you don't.
Basic fact is that if either Europe or China at one point go: 'Hey hang on a minute, fuck you America we're not doing business with you any more'. Then both sides will crumble.
Either that or the few billion dollar debt America still has around the world which few people seem to even know about. America has been living of trade for the last few decades and if just one country decides to ask back the loan we gave them so many years ago, it will be a major punch in America's economy.
So no, America isn't as strong anymore as it used to be and it could very well go down into a civil war. And as soon as people realize that the better, cuz it's the arogance floating around the country that makes everyone so pissed off at you, including terrorists.
Tiger
Martyn
Well, I have spent 4 years in a fox hole for you to say what you just said to me.. O and your stupid plan with a nuke would not work.. LOL .. You have no idea the power we hold you Terrorist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #4Doperwt. wrote:
I should quote all of your replies, they are just ignorant and cocky. well, you are a typical american so maybe you have to behave like that. This quote intriges me the most. You say, you have all the money, so why is your country on the brink of a depression? The Russian gourvenment, favors at the moment, Euro's in stead of US dollars.The Bartenders Son wrote:
Ya We Have The $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The americans are putting all their soldiers in foreign countries, to fight for oil, but whatif the oil is gone in around 50 years, what will the next energysource be? were will America be? An attack on US soil is not that hard. just send some nuclear devices with mexican illigal immigrants, who scatter trough America. A nuke in NY, will hurt harder then 10 nukes on 10 different countries.
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Terrorist #5Bertster7 wrote:
Of course the US will fall. Every major power has it's day and then falls. The only question is when. The Romans lasted for thousands of years, the US has only been around a couple of hundred. Trying to second guess that far into the future is a mugs game.
Terrorist #6panderiz wrote:
+1 well saidDoperwt. wrote:
I should quote all of your replies, they are just ignorant and cocky. well, you are a typical american so maybe you have to behave like that. This quote intriges me the most. You say, you have all the money, so why is your country on the brink of a depression? The Russian gourvenment, favors at the moment, Euro's in stead of US dollars.The Bartenders Son wrote:
Ya We Have The $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The americans are putting all their soldiers in foreign countries, to fight for oil, but whatif the oil is gone in around 50 years, what will the next energysource be? were will America be? An attack on US soil is not that hard. just send some nuclear devices with mexican illigal immigrants, who scatter trough America. A nuke in NY, will hurt harder then 10 nukes on 10 different countries.
Palestine.stryyker wrote:
Name one country the US doesnt aid and/or support that you care of. ExactlyRobbie77 wrote:
and the countris that the u.s don't aid?stryyker wrote:
Uhh.. negative.
Ever heard of the stock market? Thats just a little part of this issue. International corporations would fail. Countries that the US Aid (Israel, for one) would be without support (and in the case of Israel, weakened defenses).
American Banks > world
Too many people make too much money off the Americans.. and Thats why we will not fall...