Mong0ose
Will it blend?
+24|6673|UK

TheBelcorwyn wrote:

Mong0ose wrote:

Drunk_Musketeer wrote:

Skilled admins -> no rules
Noob whining lame fuck admins -> lots of rules to keep them safe
That is the most idiotic thing i have read in a while

Administrating a server means applying & enforcing the server rules, if there are no rules there is no need for an admin
Actually, it's so true I'm contemplating putting it in my sig.  Admins need to be there to expell rampant TKers, idlers, high pingers (unless it's scripted in), change the maps when requested, etc.

I see all these sensless and idiot servers with their "no bunny hopping," "no raping uncaps," "no stealing enemy vehicles," "no cartillery" and similar rules that really just decrease my respect for the administration.  Dunk_Musketeer is right; these inane safeguards are emplaced to compensate for admins' lack of skill by preventing players who actually play tactically and intelligently from pwning the shit out of them.

Belcorwyn
I agree with you, however if you dont have those rules in the 1st place, there is no need to have an admin there to enforce them

Therefore saying "Skilled admins -> no rules" is utter BS
DoctorFruitloop
Level 13 Wrongdoer
+515|6733|Doncaster, UK
Actually, the majority of the more common rules, "no spawnkilling, no baseraping" etc. are there to make the experience fun for everyone playing. It's a game afterall, and nobody wants to play a game they don't enjoy.

Lots of servers have these rules, it does not mean that the admins are "n00bs" who have no "skillz" and need to protect themselves. Poor admins will enforce these rules but break them themselves.
artofsurvival
Idiot!
+33|6544|the Great British Queendom :)
quote - Mastermom

"If you are shit at flying, than don't fly on populated ranked servers.  This is the reason why so many people won't give "n00bs" a chance in a chopper because they have been on the dying end of the deal when hopping in a chopper with someone they don't know or trust.  So now people TK more than they used to, or admins kick when someone takes "their" chopper.  I think tking and kicking for vehicles is total bull shit.  But I also think if you want to get in a chopper in a real round where you will impact someone else's game, you should know what you're doing."

"Do yourself and your teammates a favor, go on an empty server or on single player mode and practice flying a chopper before you ruin someone else's game." un-quote

I do agree Mastermom, oh and I can fly heli's, there's nothing more that I can say really, I tend to refuse or eject from heli's in a round anyways. Think that flying around in a heli is far to easy in BF2. You can earn major points for just using a heli. I am kind of old fashioned and have earnt my stats by mostly fighting on the ground, hence my shit stats really. But TKing and and kicking for a heli is taking the piss a bit to much, give all a chance and we all end up with good players and teams. Which I kinda of think is more important than flying around in heli's all the time!
If you go onto a server with heli whores then let them be if they are on your team, hey there's no point in getting killed when you can make a difference by doing something else, become spec ops and blow assests up etc, etc: If they are against you then use anti-aircraft, then exploit the time the are respawning to get more flags or frags? I kinda find it simple really.
So there! Laughing my arse off. But hey cheers for the goo point Mastermom.
thomcat211
Member
+1|6512
btw thought I might add im a really good pilot and an ok gunner.  but once again i havent been kicked by an admin for taking a gunner seat, if they want me out i usually get out b/c the fuss isn't worth it.  however this situation is different imo.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7022|Kubra, Damn it!

thomcat, welcome to the forums. In the future, put all your bitching about admins here: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=35480 or a mod will close your thread.
TheBelcorwyn
The Man With the Golden AK
+21|6827|Gainesville, FL

Mong0ose wrote:

I agree with you, however if you dont have those rules in the 1st place, there is no need to have an admin there to enforce them

Therefore saying "Skilled admins -> no rules" is utter BS
No, admins are still necessary, as they need to be there to expel rampant TKers, idlers, high pingers (unless it's scripted in), change the maps when requested, etc regardless of posted "rules."

Actually, the majority of the more common rules, "no spawnkilling, no baseraping" etc. are there to make the experience fun for everyone playing. It's a game afterall, and nobody wants to play a game they don't enjoy.

Lots of servers have these rules, it does not mean that the admins are "n00bs" who have no "skillz" and need to protect themselves. Poor admins will enforce these rules but break them themselves.
I absolutely disagree.  When I first purchased this game, I sucked hard, and I died a lot.  I frequently became frustrated by my lack of ability with relation to those that pwned me.  HOWEVER, I never whined and tried to cripple game mechanics in order to accommodate my inability.  Instead, I adapted to the tactics, learned to respond to camp rapers, learned how to decimate bunny hoppers, etc.  This mentality that requires players to "go easy" or otherwise alter the normal gameplay allowed by the fundamental mechanics of the game is utter nonsense.

You're right, this IS a game--a competitive one in which people do whatever they can to WIN by eliminating the opposition; it's a war game.  Don't like spawn campers?  Don't let them spawn camp you.  It's the nature of this and every other game in which live people play in opposition to one another.  The Cleveland Browns don't ask the Indianapolis Colts to go easy on them or alter their game strategy in order to have "fun," instead they do what they can to win, including adapatation.  Don't like it?  Don't play multiplayer games.

Ultimately, I would apply my previous statement concerning admins who use these asinine rules as a shield against better skilled players to all whiny ass noobs.  These dillholes, possibly for lack of generosity on God's behalf, find it too difficult to adapt to game mechanics, thereby improving their relative skill, and require admins or DICE to dumb-down or otherwise manipulate the game's functionality in order to make it easier for them.  However, the discussion was focused on admins, so I didn't branch out on a full tirade against the "noob-tube, bunnyhopper!" screamers.

Belcorwyn
FrankieSpankie3388
Hockey Nut
+243|6717|Boston, MA
I hate admins who kick for their own personal gain. The other thing I hate is when they break the rules but will instantly kick somebody else on the other team, not his own, right away because he won't let anybody break rules against him. Also when admins statpad on their server, it really blows. I was going to join MULTI CLAN SERVER to play some Midnight Sun since there's only about 2-3 servers max that run it at a time. I got banned before I could even join the game and saw their scores. Everybody in the =82^GM= clan had over 200 points with 70 kills and 0 deaths. Also the guys on the other team had 200 points with no deaths since they kept reviving each other. I wish somebody would scrim them and rape them. Just to make their stats go back down to what they deserve to be.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6903
Admins pay the rent for the server, you didn't. You stepped into his land, he doesn't like you, he can do whatever he wants with you.
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Fredrik
i hate you all
+201|6836|Norway
I dont know, i think it`s worse to kick a player because i owns you...

And if someone ask`s you to bail out because he wants hes friend to gun, why the hell not?
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6903

Fredrik wrote:

I dont know, i think it`s worse to kick a player because i owns you...
Now that is the lowest of the low. I would actually encourage the player that owned me, I need a fucking challenge ffs.
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Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6753|England

Play Ghost Town in a server where you are not allowed to spawnkill or rape the uncap.
Right, so you play Ghost Town in the Apache and shoot the admin with a TV who is sat in a stinger site in his uncap shooting at you, and then you get kicked for "raping an uncap".
Basically, he can shoot and kill you as much as he likes - but as soon as you return fire to fight back, you get kicked. Is that not abusing their power?
Yes, it is.

Beingi in a tank and just moving to the end of the bridge whilst the admin shoots at you with a TOW - and as soon as you fire back, kill or not, you get kicked for "raping the uncap".
Even though you've only just got there.
Is that not abusing their power? Yes, it is.

And yes, Ive had that done to me loads of time.


Its pathetic, trying to protect their precious stats.
Admins who not only come up with these shitty rules but enforce them are fuckheads and complete losers.
Or "noobs" as others refer to them.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7016|Grapevine, TX
Wow, I feel so honored OP. Yes I kicked you, I am the unnamed Admin, I told you I wouldn't discuss the issue any further in game. If I warn/ kick/ ban any player, I give a reason. I decided to become an Admin, because I like the server rules that were created , by the server owner, and there was usually never an admin on during the time of day I played.

So here are the Server Rules in this case: 247 Dragon Valley 32 slots; 64 size in detail`
1. CHINA side CANNOT ATTACK OR BOARD CARRIER, Except Planes can shoot The Phalanx with GUNS ONLY, no Missiles or Bombs on carrier deck, Helos can TV Phalanx Guns.
2.NO STAT PADDDING= Immediate BAN!
3. No Sniping Carrier, fastest ticket out of there
4. No Baseraping or Spawn Raping
5. Respect other Players, Admins, and Your Parents! lol
6. Commanders DON'T FLY here! Resign if you want to fly...
7. No Cartillery or Supplytillary
8. Again Respect Everyone!

Unnamed rules: If you are annoying other players or admins, yes we will kick you for ANY REASON... Call it admin abuse, or what ever, go cry to EA, waste your time there, or just have fun playing the game, and let others enjoy their game.. OR FIND ANOTHER SERVER<<< OR PLAY SINGLE PLAYER!!!!>>>

thomcat I warned you, warned you some more, then I was even kind enough to give you two {{{{{{{{{{{LAST WARNING}}}}}}}}}'s , that I made a decision and to drop it, move out and PLAY THE GAME of BF2. You wanted to discuss this in game, and again I repeatedly said drop it, and have some fun. So I Kicked you for SPAMMING messages, resulting in your BAN, after excessive SPAMMING the server, during game play.

I can tell you guys, we have a server that is full of great BF2 players, some liked more than others. But this isn't a popularity contest, it's a fucking online game, we all get some sense of satisfaction from. I just try to keep the Server balanced in every sense, and Fair for the New Private all the way to the 3 Star Generals that play there, to keep it as full as possible 24 hours a day.

Being an Admin IS not all its cracked up to be. Some times I just baby sit and don't get to enjoy the game myself.

An Abusing Admin,
(T)eflon(S)hadow
adv3rsary
Member
+28|6903
suck it up princess if you are sick of it shell out $100/mo and get your own server
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6903
To OP:

Go cry to the ROE, They will "Investigate" and send a report to EA, later EA will say server is legit since they need more money. Server owners can do whatever the fuck they want. Period. Not even the ROE can save you. I know this since I run a server which I haven't paid for 3 months and now it's down. ROE won't do shit.
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']['error
Banned
+630|6831|The Netherlands

DoctorFruitloop wrote:

What constitutes being "an annoying little pest"?
in my expierence:

- low ranked players who bought the game, and are thinkin "omg rofl i can g3t into zhopper and get many kills lol      omg!".
-  players who and they suck so bad they can't even hit an tank...
arnica
Member
+18|6867|Sydney

DoctorFruitloop wrote:

What constitutes being "an annoying little pest"?
mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine mine ......
Gamematt
Stocking ur medpacks
+135|6849|Groningen, The Netherlands
I can accept admins who kick people out to have a good time with a clanmember I think they can do that.

The only ones that i do dislike are the ones that kick you for being a better player. So I usually avoid killing admins
TheBelcorwyn
The Man With the Golden AK
+21|6827|Gainesville, FL

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

So here are the Server Rules in this case: 247 Dragon Valley 32 slots; 64 size in detail`
1. CHINA side CANNOT ATTACK OR BOARD CARRIER, Except Planes can shoot The Phalanx with GUNS ONLY, no Missiles or Bombs on carrier deck, Helos can TV Phalanx Guns.
2.NO STAT PADDDING= Immediate BAN!
3. No Sniping Carrier, fastest ticket out of there
4. No Baseraping or Spawn Raping
5. Respect other Players, Admins, and Your Parents! lol
6. Commanders DON'T FLY here! Resign if you want to fly...
7. No Cartillery or Supplytillary
8. Again Respect Everyone!

Unnamed rules: If you are annoying other players or admins, yes we will kick you for ANY REASON... Call it admin abuse, or what ever, go cry to EA, waste your time there, or just have fun playing the game, and let others enjoy their game.. OR FIND ANOTHER SERVER<<< OR PLAY SINGLE PLAYER!!!!>>>
Another server established and monitored by people who need play a handicapped game... and another server I'll be glad to either avoid altogether or join to deliberately break each of those retarded rules.

Fucking Crybabies.

Belcorwyn
Sir Aidyn Sage
DEATH FROM ABOVE!!!
+32|6551

tino275 wrote:

Their advantage of being admin is that they always have a spot open.  NOT that they can KICK anyone who is doing better then they are.  I was on a server Last week. and I was Having a REALLY good game, every one gets those every once in a while. I had double the next top score. NO i dont Cheat. Anyway I got BANNED from the server for excessive Team Killing. I may have had one TK. I was following server rules and I was not spamming or anything like that. I think I was defending the church at Cerebre Landing. Thats a bunch of BS that they ban someone just because they have a good game.  I wish I remembered the server name but Don't. 

Anyways they SUCK and anyone who bans anyone doing better than they SUCKS TOO.
I feel you on this one, I was kicked from a server not more then two days ago for ETK, my Scores were 18-0-9-0 yet they kicked me, I was on top with 10 points over the next guy in line on both sides.
It was on A 24/7 Kubra map and the round had just started.
I was flying the F18 and had not attacked any assets as of yet, once we cap the MEC field as the USA then all assets will get destroyed if they have not been taken out yet then my #1 concern is protecting that MEC airfield and then as a secondary all other flags


thomcat211 wrote:

MastersMom wrote:

What I look for in a server above all else is that rules are either followed, or enforced equally across the board.  If that means that there is no rule enforcement what-so-ever, than so be it as long as it's fair to everyone.  While I look for fair treatment, I prefer a server where admins are active and participating in the enforcement of their rules for that server.

There's really not a whole lot (IMO) that will make a server good or bad, other than the actions of the admin.  If I'm on a server where the admin will kick for vehicles or other unfounded reasons, than why would I waste my time on that server waiting to get kicked for no reason?  Pass thanks...on to another server for me.
But there are a lot of retarded rules.
Hows this for a rule, I can understand not attacking the uncap BUT HOW ABOUT TYPING IN CAPS, I have been Kicked and BANNED from one server for doing just this, ALL of the admins know that this is the way I type ingame and it had never been a problem,I have been playing on that server since I have owned this game and I left about 2 months ago.
I Command alot and with  scores like this

Scores
Global 41,082
Team 3,382
Combat 25,872
Commander 25,384

I will tell you to leave the uncap with the ARMOR { NO ARMOR IN THE UNCAP RULE}.
As Commander I don't have time to be polite about telling you to leave because I am trying to command my team to a win. yet this one GUY in this CLAN has become a power hungry Nimrod of an admin, the server has at least a dozen ADMINs NONE OF WHICH actually admin the server anyways till I would go on TS and report it to them about the TKer or  the guy who is stat padding or what not, I had a good Rap-or {*SP} with most of them and they liked me looking out for the server...
Yet when I had it out with this guy he shows me a list of TKs. AS a PLAYER< HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE DRIVEN A CAR INTO AN ARTY STRIKE AND GOT KILLED BECAUSE YOU NEVER LOOKED AT THE MAP BEFORE YOU WENT IN? I do not arty one person who is capping a flag unless it is like 6 to 1 odds {This guy will have priority on UAV since it is easier for him then for me to spot  but then I zoom in to actually watch the battle take place, but as of late I started to fly jets and soon I will move to helos......
But since I LEFT THAT CLAN and then 2142 came out, no-one hardly ever admins that server, AND I WAS BANNED FOR TYPING IN CAPS..... then after the FACT of the ban I sent an Email to this GUY telling him to FO and ban me forever, I really don't care....  Don't get me wrong I like the server and I have good friends that play on that server but the CLAN members can FO too, there is only one or two that I will continue to talk to...

I made that choice to walk away.....

Last edited by Sir Aidyn Sage (2007-01-02 14:28:49)

wooly-back-jack
Jihaaaaaad!!!
+84|6927|England
lmao banned for being Commander Capslock
syntaxmax642
Member
+32|6812|Seattle
Of course there is always the Clan server that posts rules then doesnt play by them and when you call them on it they say you are just whining... Or they just ban you for a dumb reason that doesnt apply.

You know i wanted to use this posting to say some rough crap about WTF Clan. But instead I will just say i was unjustly banned from their server by some admin that knew nothing about me or my tactics. They claimed I was camping the uncappable. That is not true. Then they banned me for excessive Teamkilling. Also not true. If I could find their clan page I might be inclined to ask nicely to remove the ban.

Anyone from WTF here?
wooly-back-jack
Jihaaaaaad!!!
+84|6927|England
best when admins say "no attacking carrier!!!" on Gulf of Oman then proceed to bomb/arty the shit out Mec Runway

turds!
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7016|Grapevine, TX

TheBelcorwyn wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

So here are the Server Rules in this case: 247 Dragon Valley 32 slots; 64 size in detail`
1. CHINA side CANNOT ATTACK OR BOARD CARRIER, Except Planes can shoot The Phalanx with GUNS ONLY, no Missiles or Bombs on carrier deck, Helos can TV Phalanx Guns.
2.NO STAT PADDDING= Immediate BAN!
3. No Sniping Carrier, fastest ticket out of there
4. No Baseraping or Spawn Raping
5. Respect other Players, Admins, and Your Parents! lol
6. Commanders DON'T FLY here! Resign if you want to fly...
7. No Cartillery or Supplytillary
8. Again Respect Everyone!

Unnamed rules: If you are annoying other players or admins, yes we will kick you for ANY REASON... Call it admin abuse, or what ever, go cry to EA, waste your time there, or just have fun playing the game, and let others enjoy their game.. OR FIND ANOTHER SERVER<<< OR PLAY SINGLE PLAYER!!!!>>>
Another server established and monitored by people who need play a handicapped game... and another server I'll be glad to either avoid altogether or join to deliberately break each of those retarded rules.

Fucking Crybabies.

Belcorwyn
I am a full grown man and I don't have a problem with crying, but over a game, no that doesn't happen man. If you payed =-$100 USD for a server, but it was empty that would be a stupid financial decision, IMO. So to keep the Server FULL and actually  get kills with skills, and not taking cheap one on a Dragon Vally map, we keep the Rules simple! And like you said, you don't like it  you don't have to visit. Now big boy did you feel better for posting that?

By the way we are ranked about 140 in the world as far as servers are ranked, so we like it just the way it is, and we have very happy regulars.
The_Jester
Member
+52|6678|Italy

TheBelcorwyn wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

So here are the Server Rules in this case: 247 Dragon Valley 32 slots; 64 size in detail`
1. CHINA side CANNOT ATTACK OR BOARD CARRIER, Except Planes can shoot The Phalanx with GUNS ONLY, no Missiles or Bombs on carrier deck, Helos can TV Phalanx Guns.
2.NO STAT PADDDING= Immediate BAN!
3. No Sniping Carrier, fastest ticket out of there
4. No Baseraping or Spawn Raping
5. Respect other Players, Admins, and Your Parents! lol
6. Commanders DON'T FLY here! Resign if you want to fly...
7. No Cartillery or Supplytillary
8. Again Respect Everyone!

Unnamed rules: If you are annoying other players or admins, yes we will kick you for ANY REASON... Call it admin abuse, or what ever, go cry to EA, waste your time there, or just have fun playing the game, and let others enjoy their game.. OR FIND ANOTHER SERVER<<< OR PLAY SINGLE PLAYER!!!!>>>
Another server established and monitored by people who need play a handicapped game... and another server I'll be glad to either avoid altogether or join to deliberately break each of those retarded rules.

Fucking Crybabies.

Belcorwyn
What's wrong with these rules?
1- They don't want people raping the carrier, but let them destroy the AA guns. Fair enough.
2- No statspadder on their server, duh.
3- Your average sniper can't hit shit anyway from the hills in front of the carrier, so this rule is unnecessary.
4- Debatable. Some server allow it, some don't. You know the rules before you join. Don't like them? Fuck away.
5- Obvious.
6- Obvious again.
7- Same as rule 4.

If everyone, admins included, follow the rules, nothing wrong with it.
Another thing is if admins break their own rules, that's pathetic.

But all this no-rules-pro-wannabe shit is getting really old. There are like 1000 populated servers, find one with the rules you like.
thomcat211
Member
+1|6512
ONE, i dont give a shit that he kicked me.  For asking hi m questions about his questionable admin e5thics, none the less.  Therefore posting all these rules and etc.. is pretty much pointless.  Like i said, i was never kicked for getting in his beloved gunner seat.  I was kicked for asking why the hell did he do it.

TWO, http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=9787/  read his post here, and be reminded that he later in his server did the VERY same thing/

oh, and how about you let others enjoy it too Teflon, you supposed grown up pussy.  You can start by not kicking people who want to play in a chopper.
One thing you said before you kicked me was you became and admin there because you didn't like it that people broke the rules when an admin wasn't one. CONGRATULATIONS, now thanks to you an admin is breaking the rules, your breaking new ground "bro".

OH and cyborg, i basically disregard all your posts considering you are obviously also an abusive admin, like telon here.  EVEn you should find the irony in Teflon's posts about admin's kicking for choppers, yet doing it himself.  Why even post his horseshit and still do it.

ONCE AGAIN I DON'T GIVE A SHIT THAT HE BANNED ME. That isn't what is in question here.  Of course the ban was slifted it seems later, because i joined again later and had a great game, thouigh he obviously wasn't online and other responsible admins were online.

Last edited by thomcat211 (2007-01-02 17:18:38)

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