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turquoise, you've got things completely backward. the causes for the conflict between the mid-east and the west are not religious, they're geopolitical and economic. the religion is just a useful tool of indoctrination to get the grunts to do what they need to do.

war is the rich man's terrorism, and terrorism is the poor man's war. the differences go away if you call it what it is - killing. and don't give me that claptrap about intentional or unintentional civilian deaths, it's all intentional. when the US administration decides to go to war and bomb cities, they are fully aware that civilians will die.

a lot of american soldiers are christian, and they must believe what they're doing is the right thing to do, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. but if for one moment you think the military brass considers religious tenets when making strategic and tactical decisions, you're even more deluded than i think you are.

all the ideology is just propaganda to fool gullible people into believing that there is some higher moral imperative for the killing. the americans do it, and the arabs do it, and they're both equally murderous. or do you really think beheading is worse than being napalmed?

have a look at this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/ … ission.jpg
WARNING! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC

i'm not some bleeding heart liberal, but i wish people would wake the fuck up and realize that there are no good guys or bad guys in war, only winners and losers.

There are plenty of good muslims that don´t want an world wide intifada...for the culture differance it´s kinda different...but who are we to judge? Just because it´s in the bible you don´t follow it blind right...same for many of the muslims. They abuse the sacred books in all religions...many muslims actually want to live "the american dream", all they want too is live long rich lives, their leaders is a different mather...kinda like many of the americans that don´t agree with your president´s own agenda.

Now you tell me positive things about Christianity and its views of the East that is GOOD!

Turquoise wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

We're generally less brutal about it.  We don't behead people or intentionally kill civilians.

There are a lot of differences between American extremists and Muslim ones.  I say American, because the extremism in America is less based on religion than it is on nationalism.

You're correct in implying that Americans aren't as tolerant as we sometimes wish we were.  You have to admit that being tolerant of intolerant people (Muslim extremists, for example) is difficult though....

I believe that they are thinking exactly the same about us.
However, Islam is infact a very beautiful religion. All religions get bad if they are missused.
Don´t we forget that Christians did forbid slavery first until the middle of 20th century.
And why not look at this site http://www.godhatesfags.com or http://www.godhatessweden.com
Would this site exist if it was a muslim fundamenalist? No, it would be treated as national threat against the U.S.

I know what you mean, but I think the fundamentalism of Islam is way more destructive than at least the American form within Christianity.  I'm aware that some crazy things are going on in Africa by various religious groups, but I don't see how you're even comparing American Christian fundamentalism to groups like Hezbollah.

To me, it's no contest.  Islam is currently the religion that is most plagued by extremism (at least murderous extremism).  I'm not saying that the average Muslim is that way, but Islamic extremists bother me a lot more than any other type of extremist.  I think 9/11 is a good reason for that concern.

Hezbollah is a democratic elected party.
Don´t confuse Talibans and muslims, that is what GWB did when he went to Iraq.

Hezbollah, republicans = tomato, tomato..

Dimeyard wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

So Muslims don´t, and Americas do have tolerance of others?
That´s a new thing

And fundamentalistic ideas isn´t just for muslims, it goes for christians too.
George W Bush, claimed to fight in the name of God.
What´s the difference between fighting in the name of Allah or God?

There no other country on Earth more tolerent and accepting than America, Hell we will even change OUR traditions and customs as to make sure YOU are not offended when you get here.

LOL.
Yeah right.. have you ever been or heard of a continent called Europe?
You´re like 100 years after europe in that matter

And please tell me why America is tolerant in that matter when we come to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, South America..

You guys killed a democratic elected leader of Iraq in the 70ths.. and YOU PUT SADDAM AS THEIR LEADER!!!
YOU gave the guns to the Talibans, so they could fight against the Soviet Union!
YOU are the biggest threat to world peace today!

Well, I certainly think our interventionism is usually a negative thing, but I'd argue that Islamism is the greatest threat to world peace.  See Somalia for a good example of this....

Turquoise wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

lowing wrote:

There no other country on Earth more tolerent and accepting than America, Hell we will even change OUR traditions and customs as to make sure YOU are not offended when you get here.

LOL.
Yeah right.. have you ever been or heard of a continent called Europe?
You´re like 100 years after europe in that matter

And please tell me why America is tolerant in that matter when we come to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, South America..

You guys killed a democratic elected leader of Iraq in the 70ths.. and YOU PUT SADDAM AS THEIR LEADER!!!
YOU gave the guns to the Talibans, so they could fight against the Soviet Union!
YOU are the biggest threat to world peace today!

Well, I certainly think our interventionism is usually a negative thing, but I'd argue that Islamism is the greatest threat to world peace.  See Somalia for a good example of this....

Yes, and the Ethiopians now are advancing to fight against and invade the muslims in Somalia.
Who threw the first stone? Not Somalia.

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I know what you mean, but I think the fundamentalism of Islam is way more destructive than at least the American form within Christianity.  I'm aware that some crazy things are going on in Africa by various religious groups, but I don't see how you're even comparing American Christian fundamentalism to groups like Hezbollah.

To me, it's no contest.  Islam is currently the religion that is most plagued by extremism (at least murderous extremism).  I'm not saying that the average Muslim is that way, but Islamic extremists bother me a lot more than any other type of extremist.  I think 9/11 is a good reason for that concern.

Hezbollah, Liberal = tomato, tomato..

Please do not quote me in a modified version.
Hezbollah, Republicans = tomato, tomato..

James wrote:

Yes, and the Ethiopians now are advancing to fight against and invade the muslims in Somalia.
Who threw the first stone? Not Somalia.

It certainly wasnt.  The ICU are the extremist Muslims that I personally have a problem with.  They are backed by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban and follow the same extremist view as them

Dimeyard wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

So Muslims don´t, and Americas do have tolerance of others?
That´s a new thing

And fundamentalistic ideas isn´t just for muslims, it goes for christians too.
George W Bush, claimed to fight in the name of God.
What´s the difference between fighting in the name of Allah or God?

There no other country on Earth more tolerent and accepting than America, Hell we will even change OUR traditions and customs as to make sure YOU are not offended when you get here.

LOL.
Yeah right.. have you ever been or heard of a continent called Europe?
You´re like 100 years after europe in that matter

And please tell me why America is tolerant in that matter when we come to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, South America..

You guys killed a democratic elected leader of Iraq in the 70ths.. and YOU PUT SADDAM AS THEIR LEADER!!!
YOU gave the guns to the Talibans, so they could fight against the Soviet Union!
YOU are the biggest threat to world peace today!

NOT hardly pal, you assholes have started 2 world wars in 1 century, don't even begin to think about preaching fuckin' tolerance to me.

Ya lost me on this question

Yeah we also fought against Germany and Japan and they are now both our allies..What is your point?

Krappyappy wrote:

turquoise, you've got things completely backward. the causes for the conflict between the mid-east and the west are not religious, they're geopolitical and economic. the religion is just a useful tool of indoctrination to get the grunts to do what they need to do.

war is the rich man's terrorism, and terrorism is the poor man's war. the differences go away if you call it what it is - killing. and don't give me that claptrap about intentional or unintentional civilian deaths, it's all intentional. when the US administration decides to go to war and bomb cities, they are fully aware that civilians will die.

a lot of american soldiers are christian, and they must believe what they're doing is the right thing to do, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. but if for one moment you think the military brass considers religious tenets when making strategic and tactical decisions, you're even more deluded than i think you are.

all the ideology is just propaganda to fool gullible people into believing that there is some higher moral imperative for the killing. the americans do it, and the arabs do it, and they're both equally murderous. or do you really think beheading is worse than being napalmed?

have a look at this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/ … ission.jpg
WARNING! EXTREMELY GRAPHIC

i'm not some bleeding heart liberal, but i wish people would wake the fuck up and realize that there are no good guys or bad guys in war, only winners and losers.

I disagree.  We actively try to minimize civilian deaths.  Terrorists do not.  That is the key to the differences between us and them.

War is definitely a rich man's game, but the important difference between a government and a terror group is that a government (at least a democratic republic) is subject to the whims of its people.  A terror group answers to no one outside of themselves.  As citizens of America, we have the ability to collectively demand an end to a war, as we currently see with Iraq.  Terror groups kill without hesitation.

So yeah, religion is just as much a rationalization for war as "national security" is for us, but the difference is that, as Americans, we are not desperate and brainwashed by dogma.  Terrorists usually are.

Granted, terrorist leaders tend to be very educated and extremely Machiavellian.  That's probably why they see religion for what it usually ends up as -- mind control.  Osama is probably one very cynical atheist deep down inside.

Regardless, I agree that most war is only about winners and losers, but in the case of Iraq, we really are the good guys.  This simply isn't a good guy's environment.  Iraq is like a tamer version of the African hell we've been ignoring for decades now.  We should just let the Iraqi people fight this out on their own terms, because it's just a waste of our resources.

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Dimeyard fucks his dad and jacks off to his brother at night.

I asked you polite not to qoute me in a modified version, so what´s the deal here?

Dimeyard wrote:

pRiNcEkAhUnA1 wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

Dimeyard fucks his dad and jacks off to his brother at night.

Hezbollah, Liberal = tomato, tomato..

Dimeyard wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Dimeyard wrote:

I believe that they are thinking exactly the same about us.
However, Islam is infact a very beautiful religion. All religions get bad if they are missused.
Don´t we forget that Christians did forbid slavery first until the middle of 20th century.
And why not look at this site http://www.godhatesfags.com or http://www.godhatessweden.com
Would this site exist if it was a muslim fundamenalist? No, it would be treated as national threat against the U.S.

I know what you mean, but I think the fundamentalism of Islam is way more destructive than at least the American form within Christianity.  I'm aware that some crazy things are going on in Africa by various religious groups, but I don't see how you're even comparing American Christian fundamentalism to groups like Hezbollah.

To me, it's no contest.  Islam is currently the religion that is most plagued by extremism (at least murderous extremism).  I'm not saying that the average Muslim is that way, but Islamic extremists bother me a lot more than any other type of extremist.  I think 9/11 is a good reason for that concern.

Hezbollah is a democratic elected party.
Don´t confuse Talibans and muslims, that is what GWB did when he went to Iraq.

Hezbollah, republicans = tomato, tomato..

Hezbollah is a terrorist group.  Republicans are often just Machiavellian capitalists.  Some of them are greedy evil bastards, but most of them are just really misguided at the moment.

I understand why you see similarities between the American government and terrorists, but in all seriousness, you're not honestly suggesting that they are one and the same, are you?

We've done some evil things (like taking out Mossadegh), but nowadays, we at least have to be more restricted in our actions.  We can't just shoot rockets randomly into people's neighborhoods like Hezbollah.  We don't send people strapped with bombs to go blow themselves up in the middle of a marketplace.

You're correct that the Taliban is quite different from Hezbollah, but they both support terrorism.