King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|7023|Seattle

Marconius wrote:

A one trillion dollar hanging...fantastic.

Just don't forget that we put him there in the first place.  Perhaps it's time we stopped meddling with other countries and peoples' lives in order to further our own interests, yes?
Agreed.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
SysTray
"Generous mods" < Thats right Systray !
+180|7247|Delaware
Why can debating never be carried on without insults? Even the dumbest political candidates can debate like calm humans....
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6916|Menlo Park, CA

Marconius wrote:

A one trillion dollar hanging...fantastic.

Just don't forget that we put him there in the first place.  Perhaps it's time we stopped meddling with other countries and peoples' lives in order to further our own interests, yes?
How did we put him there???? He assended to the top on his own(by murdering all those opposing him). . . we supported him against the Ayatollah if thats what you mean.  Trust me, we could meddle a lot more(in geo-politics) than we do!!

First of all, isolationism is not a policy of success. . . .see WWII!
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|7120|San Francisco
Aiya...I already wrote a long-winded explanation of it all ages ago...buried way back in the posts from last year/early this year.


Check these links:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.18A. … s.iraq.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf … le2849.htm
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6916|Menlo Park, CA

Marconius wrote:

Aiya...I already wrote a long-winded explanation of it all ages ago...buried way back in the posts from last year/early this year.


Check these links:
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.18A. … s.iraq.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf … le2849.htm
At the age of thirty-one (31) he had acquired what could have been deemed the number two spot in the Baathist party. He would continue in the position for approximately the next ten years. During that time, he would continue to consolidate his power by appointing numerous family members to positions of authority in the Iraqi government. In his position of Deputy in Charge of Internal Security, he built an enormous security apparatus and had spies and informers everywhere in the circles of power in Iraq.

During this time, Hussein also began to accumulate the wealth and position that he so relished as a poor sheep-herder in the desert of al-Auja. He and his family, now firmly entrenched in the infrastructure of the country , began to control the country's oil and other industrial enterprises. With the help of his security network and several personal assassins, Hussein took control of many of the nation's leading businesses.

In 1978, Saddam had been working with other Arab nations to ostracize Egypt for it's diplomatic initiative in resolving Israel/Arab questions. An ally, President Hafez al-Assad of Syria, almost became the undoing of Hussein's ascension. If a Syrian/Iraqi federation were formed against Egypt, Assad, not Hussein, would rise to a position of greater power in the relationship. President Bakr would lead the federation with Assad as second in command. Hussein could not allow that to happen and began to urge the President to step down. Again with the help of his family and security apparatus, Hussein was able to accomplish his task.

On July 16, 1979, President Bakr resigned, officially due to health problems, but in reality a victim of Hussein's political in-fighting. Moving quickly to consolidate his power, he called a major Baathist meeting on July 22, 1979. During the meeting, various family members and other Hussein devotees urged that the party be "cleansed". Hussein then read a list of names and asked that they step outside. Once there, they are taken into custody.

HE DID IT ON HIS OWN BUDDY!! THE CIA DIDNT CARE AS LONG AS HE DIDNT MEDDLE IN THEIR INTERESTS, AND DISRUPT THE REGION! At the time, Iran was more of a threat. . . .not Hussein! Funny how things change!

Last edited by fadedsteve (2006-12-28 18:17:23)

Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|7120|San Francisco

Marco's last link wrote:

"It bordered on farce," a former senior U.S. intelligence official said. But Qasim, hiding on the floor of his car, escaped death, and Saddam, whose calf had been grazed by a fellow would-be assassin, escaped to Tikrit, thanks to CIA and Egyptian intelligence agents, several U.S. government officials said.

Saddam then crossed into Syria and was transferred by Egyptian intelligence agents to Beirut, according to Darwish and former senior CIA officials. While Saddam was in Beirut, the CIA paid for Saddam's apartment and put him through a brief training course, former CIA officials said. The agency then helped him get to Cairo, they said.

One former U.S. government official, who knew Saddam at the time, said that even then Saddam "was known as having no class. He was a thug -- a cutthroat."

In Cairo, Saddam was installed in an apartment in the upper class neighborhood of Dukki and spent his time playing dominos in the Indiana Café, watched over by CIA and Egyptian intelligence operatives, according to Darwish and former U.S. intelligence officials.

One former senior U.S. government official said: "In Cairo, I often went to Groppie Café at Emad Eldine Pasha Street, which was very posh, very upper class. Saddam would not have fit in there. The Indiana was your basic dive."

But during this time Saddam was making frequent visits to the American Embassy where CIA specialists such as Miles Copeland and CIA station chief Jim Eichelberger were in residence and knew Saddam, former U.S. intelligence officials said.
Must've missed that one, fadedsteve...
Executiator
Member
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Big McLargehuge wrote:

c0ldfyr3 wrote:

IM SAYING NOBODY DESERVES TO BE EXECUTED
Maybe this will change your mind.
C0ldfyr3, you need to look at this you fuckin prick. It will change your mind very fast, if you can even accept other viewpoints besides your own warped and diluted style of thinking...

P.S. Didn't Hussein kill his first Victim at 16 with a Revolver? And it was one of his own family members...

And he didn't stop there, he worked like the gestapo did, and then grew worse from there...

Of course, he doesn't deserve to die...
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6916|Menlo Park, CA
Your missing my point!

The CIA let him do his thing, doesnt mean we installed his ass like we did the Shah!!

He wasnt a threat to us at the time, so we allowed him to chill and take over the country without interference! Therefore, taking over on his own accord. . .
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|7120|San Francisco
Let him do his thing in order to get us leverage against the Soviets (resource- and region-wise).
c0ldfyr3
Member
+23|7093|Ireland

Executiator wrote:

Big McLargehuge wrote:

c0ldfyr3 wrote:

IM SAYING NOBODY DESERVES TO BE EXECUTED
Maybe this will change your mind.
C0ldfyr3, you need to look at this you fuckin prick. It will change your mind very fast, if you can even accept other viewpoints besides your own warped and diluted style of thinking...

P.S. Didn't Hussein kill his first Victim at 16 with a Revolver? And it was one of his own family members...

And he didn't stop there, he worked like the gestapo did, and then grew worse from there...

Of course, he doesn't deserve to die...
I dont care what he did (not literally), your missing my point entirely.

And wth, do you think I grew up on mars or something? Our news channels are alot more liberal than all the stations in the U.S. put together, trust me.
Slickdawg8
Visit TAW.NET
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this is one of the few things said about him that is true...about damn time
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|7079

heggs wrote:

intentional genocide is fundamentally different than casualties of war.
Area used to stage attacks on government (Dujail assassination attempt) + strong opposition = insurgent outpost

Ordering the military to walk through and kill pretty much anything that can hold a gun, and destroying the "terrorists" source of funding (in this case the farmland they survive on) isn't that dissimilar to, say, the Fallujah approach adopted by the American forces, which killed thousands and lead to a population decrease of about 150,000 due to mass fleeing in what was previously known as the City of Mosques.

But then again, this is (semi) victors justice we are talking about.

He should be tried for all the crimes in international court, since the government trying him didn't even exist when the crimes were committed, thus they have no jurisdiction.
sgt.napalmcb
C4 CRAZY!
+73|7074|United Kingdom
coldfyr why dont you explain your point then properbly, you say that he is missing your point entirely..

But what exactly is your point then?

Also i heard somewhere that it wont be on TV or anything, and people will only find out when hes hanged, after it has already happened.
(I remember reading it somewhere. May not be true, but i think that is most likely whats gonna happen.)

Last edited by sgt.napalmcb (2006-12-28 19:01:45)

Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
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https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/deathbym0nkeyz/892cap012.jpg
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6916|Menlo Park, CA
lol! TO THE GALLOWS!!!

BTW Saddam's hanging will be video'd, as it is part of Iraqi law to do so.  Essentially the coalition and others, will need "proof of death", that indeed the execution did take place.

The question remains. . . .will some sneaky internet guru get the video so that all may see that prick's neck snap?

Last edited by fadedsteve (2006-12-28 19:34:00)

Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker

c0ldfyr3 wrote:

Bush has killed just as many innocent civilians, can we hang him too?
Uh, no.  Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6871|The Land of Scott Walker

Marconius wrote:

. . . Perhaps it's time we stopped meddling with other countries and peoples' lives . . .
Sure, let's stop our meddling and turn off the faucet pouring financial aid into other countries, tell them to figure it out on their own and spend it on ourselves instead.  Then we can effectively arm our border patrol, build a real fence, and suddenly we'll be able to defend the border.  Sound good?  I thought so.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7146|California

I agree with Marconius,

Nuke the Middle East.
Might as well get China and Noth Korea while were at it.
13rin
Member
+977|6905
Did you know that in reality, the thumbs down meant "not to kill".  And the thumbs up was the "kill him"....
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7246
saddam had a good run, now he's going to get his neck broken.

there's no right or wrong in geopolitics, only winners and losers.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7072

BN wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

c0ldfyr3 wrote:

Bush has killed just as many innocent civilians, can we hang him too?
Here we go again...
He has a point
If by point you mean 'posting intentional flamebait', then yes. He has a great point.
Sgt_Sieg
"Bow Chicka Bow Wow." The correct way.
+89|7201

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Did you know that in reality, the thumbs down meant "not to kill".  And the thumbs up was the "kill him"....
I was about to post that. Have a hot karma, fresh off the oven.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7072

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Did you know that in reality, the thumbs down meant "not to kill".  And the thumbs up was the "kill him"....
Actually it is unknown which meant which, or it was even a thumbs up or down at all, and not some other gesture. There is no historical evidence that this even occurred at all. It is merely Hollywood's interpretation. But for that post, the image was from the movie gladiator, and a thumbs-down meant death.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-12-28 22:10:26)

S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6944|Montucky

stryyker wrote:

I agree with Marconius,

Nuke the Middle East.
Might as well get China and North Korea while were at it.
I Second this Motion.
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|7120|San Francisco
Whoa...I said nothing that would've harbored any thought about nuking the Middle East.  Nuking the Middle East is just a highly immature and inappropriate statement which I'm sick of seeing here.  Quit while you're ahead.

One trillion dollars would've served our country a lot more than setting up an occupying force.  It's been a colossal waste of money, resources, and American lives.  All for opaque causes whitewashed with buzzwords and Nationalistic pride.  Now that the Saddam route failed, the resource and area leverage/control is now under the watch of a democratic (though really Shi'ite theocratic) government.

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