The al Qaeda Myth?

2006-12-26 03:47:28

#1

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7182|Argentina

This documentary from BBC called The Power of Nightmares suggests that there's no such thing as an al Qaeda network or organization. Here is the whole Episode 3 which talks about al Qaeda and the deluded state of panic the Neo-Conservatives have created.

The Power of Nightmares (Episode 3/Part 1):

The Power of Nightmares (Episode 3/Part 2):

The Power of Nightmares (Episode 3/Part 3):

The Power of Nightmares (Episode 3/Part 4):

The Power of Nightmares (Episode 3/Part 5):

The Power of Nightmares (Episode 3/Part 6):

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2006-12-26 04:33:56

#2

Jepeto87: Member; +38|7110|Dublin

Very good, nice find!

2006-12-26 04:55:06

#3

PMcS: Member; +2|6892

It was a short series on bbc, all episodes can be found on you tube, google etc....

They start here....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfvzjE6ujfQ

2006-12-26 05:24:09

#4

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7099|Canberra, AUS

Another series of documentaries was created by a journalist in direct response to these...

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2006-12-26 07:39:32

#5

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7074

I need to watch that sometime, don't have any time right now. But yeah, to the extent that the media portrayed them there is no Al Qaeda. They were saying they had James Bond bad guy style massive uber bunker things. Which they quite clearly don't.

2006-12-26 09:38:11

#6

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7068

sergeriver wrote:
This documentary from BBC suggests that there's no such thing as an al Qaeda network or organization. What do you think?

you touched on something very interesting

2006-12-26 10:49:25

#7

GorillaTicTacs: Member; +231|6798|Kyiv, Ukraine

From my former experience in the field, I would say that documentary is about 90% accurate and they filled in a few gaps themselves. I'll reserve this space and give you a detailed rundown of the differences between my work in 95 to 98.

The basic premise though holds true, Al Qaeda is a marketting brand name that has only very recently been picked up on because it plays well in American media. It creates a sort of black and white "GI Joe vs. Cobra" dynamic that makes it easy to point fingers and lay blame when in reality we created most of the monsters ourselves to serve other purposes, and we even still directly support them financially and technically but also point the finger. Terrorist organizations rarely have a singular unified purpose and rarely cooperate in the real world as well, at least no longer than absolutely necessary. It makes the USA almost laughable in the hypocrisy we foist upon the ME and absolutely not trustworthy. This hypocrisy has also been one of the major causes of intelligence failures, because in order to recruit and keep good inside agents, you need to not bomb them or torture them when it becomes politically expedient.

(reserved - new baby so no time for detailed analysis on the clip, but I did preview it and found it mostly accurate in details and completely accurate in its premise)

2006-12-26 12:46:22

#8

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7074

BTW, can anyone find the rest of the video?

2006-12-26 12:51:56

#9

CommieChipmunk: Member; +488|6994|Portland, OR, USA

wouldn't that be interesting...

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised...

2006-12-26 13:14:12

#10

djphetal: Go Ducks.; +346|6760|Oregon

very interesting. Thanks...

2006-12-26 16:43:52

#11

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7182|Argentina

ghettoperson wrote:
BTW, can anyone find the rest of the video?

I added the whole documentary in the OP, and btw I watched it. The only thing I want to say is thanks GWB, Tony Blair, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and all the Neo-conservatives who lied to the whole world.

2006-12-26 16:47:27

#12

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7096|UK

Fuck Fox! BBC rule!

Better still bring back Cricket on the BBC!

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2006-12-26 17:52:13

#13

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6986

There is an Al Qaeda network/organisation, they just aren't as organised as has been suggested. They aren't, for example, the USMC with rigid command structures and well defined units. Rather, they are a loose coalition of people with similar aims, who sometimes share funding and information. Al Qaeda does exist, it's just not something that can be targetted.

2006-12-26 17:55:58

#14

rocksrhot: Member; +8|6824

All right now we r getting somewhere. There may be no al qaeda, but we know there r terrorist. they do exist. However it is good to see a portion of the media ask such a question. The thing is, those who understand media know that such programs are owned by media moguls who have links to Neocon Zionists. Now please people don't for a second consider the BBC above fox & the rest. How is research done? that's right, u pose questions to get a response.

Though I tend to believe the whole conspiracy story, please people be aware that Jewish fronts control the media world wide. & in my books the so Called Jewish front to the media only hides something more sinister. They set up the whole anti-semitic bullshit to cover up the real crap of secret societies which pull all the strings. Laugh at me all you want, tis only my view.

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2006-12-26 18:05:42

#15

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6954|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:
There is an Al Qaeda network/organisation, they just aren't as organised as has been suggested. They aren't, for example, the USMC with rigid command structures and well defined units. Rather, they are a loose coalition of people with similar aims, who sometimes share funding and information. Al Qaeda does exist, it's just not something that can be targetted.

We can't target individual loose coalitions of peoples?
Isn't that been what this war has been defined by?

2006-12-26 18:44:05

#16

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7099|Canberra, AUS

ATG wrote:
Bubbalo wrote:
There is an Al Qaeda network/organisation, they just aren't as organised as has been suggested. They aren't, for example, the USMC with rigid command structures and well defined units. Rather, they are a loose coalition of people with similar aims, who sometimes share funding and information. Al Qaeda does exist, it's just not something that can be targetted.
We can't target individual loose coalitions of peoples?
Isn't that been what this war has been defined by?

How do you target something that's amorphous and liquid? You can't - unless you use indirect methods. 4GW. Netwar. Propaganda. Intel.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2006-12-26 19:22:13

#17

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6986

ATG wrote:
We can't target individual loose coalitions of peoples?
Isn't that been what this war has been defined by?

You cannot target Al Qaeda because it lacks structure and is poorly defined. It would be like trying to kill all the Atheists in the world: you have to find them before you can kill them.

2006-12-26 19:24:30

#18

Parker: isteal; +1,452|6819|The Gem Saloon

Bubbalo wrote:
ATG wrote:
We can't target individual loose coalitions of peoples?
Isn't that been what this war has been defined by?
You cannot target Al Qaeda because it lacks structure and is poorly defined. It would be like trying to kill all the Atheists in the world: you have to find them before you can kill them.

and the people that have been found/killed in afghanistan?

2006-12-26 19:34:31

#19

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6986

Apart from the fact that many or all were Taliban not Al Qaeda, it doesn't negate my point. Going back to my earlier example, I'm sure you'd get some Atheists, but you couldn't possible hope to get all Atheists.

2006-12-26 22:40:30

#20

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6830|North Carolina

Excellent video.... It gives you an idea of how power and fear twist the minds of the people who run our governments....

2006-12-27 03:44:14

#21

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7182|Argentina

Bubbalo wrote:
ATG wrote:
We can't target individual loose coalitions of peoples?
Isn't that been what this war has been defined by?
You cannot target Al Qaeda because it lacks structure and is poorly defined. It would be like trying to kill all the Atheists in the world: you have to find them before you can kill them.

Watch the BBC documentary. They show Rummy saying al Qaeda kinda had a fortress in Afghanistan, like a zillion bunker things, lol. This is about all the BS the Neo-Conservatives told about the War on Terror and how they lied in the face of all the World.

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