11sog_raider
a gaurdian of life
+112|6883|behind my rifle
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218181,00.html   
very sad that a marine would do that
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6791|Columbus, Ohio
Yes, it is sad.  What is there to discuss?
arson
Member
+99|7061|New York
They threw him in a hole and put 10 bullets in his head because they were pissed off. WTF Now they can spend the rest of their lives in prision being more pissed off gg.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6915|Northern California
So fun to think of all the savory little animals that will be coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan some day!  Thanks Bush for bringing foreign and domestic terrorists to our soil!   Thanks for making murderers out of so many good young men who trusted you to use them only when totally necessary.  It'd be interesting to know just how many soldiers have gone beyond the line of professional duty and immoral and even murderous behavior.  100?  500?  1000?  How many have had 'enough' and have stepped over the line..firing that sniper round when it wasn't necessary...killing that one witness to be safe...tossing that grenade in the home hoping there was a bad guy in there... how many have turned away and watched their squad members do war crimes because they had no way to stop it or any recourse to account for it?  Some sick shit..and ALL of it was totally unnecessary.
Fancy_Pollux
Connoisseur of Fine Wine
+1,306|7070

IRONCHEF wrote:

So fun to think of all the savory little animals that will be coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan some day!  Thanks Bush for bringing foreign and domestic terrorists to our soil!   Thanks for making murderers out of so many good young men who trusted you to use them only when totally necessary.
Although there are a few bad apples in the bunch, your constant generalization and hatred of the soldiers that ensure your freedom is excessive and uncalled for. Had anyone else said this, I wouldn't care. All one has to do is look at your post history to see where you're coming from:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p1014825

No need to be so bitter just because you weren't even able to complete basic training without getting discharged.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-12-18 18:04:30)

usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6791|Columbus, Ohio

IRONCHEF wrote:

So fun to think of all the savory little animals that will be coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan some day!
So, when I say Iraqis are animals, I get jumped on immediately (I do not think they are animals, but it is just a little experiment to see how people react to it and how they react to other things).  You call US troops animals...and no big deal.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6985

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

soldiers that ensure your freedom
Because Saddam was about to become the first person in history to invade the US mainland, using his mighty pair of fishing boats and army of soldiers who wear running shoes so as better to flee?
JahManRed
wank
+646|7052|IRELAND

Iraqi=1 big soft ball park.
RonnY[NL]
Chanetoy Dugali
+309|7135|Groningen / Netherlands

JahManRed wrote:

Iraqi=1 big soft ball park.
not really, its a children play ground, you know where they make those little sand castles
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7196|PNW

IRONCHEF wrote:

It'd be interesting to know just how many soldiers have gone beyond the line of professional duty and immoral and even murderous behavior.  100?  500?  1000?
Mirror, mirror.

It'd be interesting to know just how many civilians have gone beyond the line of civility and stepped into immoral and even murderous behavior. 10,000,000? 50,000,000? 100,000,000?

Bubbalo (below) wrote:

Civilians have a lesser responsibility.
No, if anything (as a whole) they have an even greater responsibility in contributing to the maintenance of moral values and civil order at home.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-19 05:21:19)

Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6985
Civilians have a lesser responsibility.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6791|Columbus, Ohio

Bubbalo wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

soldiers that ensure your freedom
Because Saddam was about to become the first person in history to invade the US mainland, using his mighty pair of fishing boats and army of soldiers who wear running shoes so as better to flee?
You have no idea what "ensure your freedom" means, and that is very apparent from all your posts.
EVieira
Member
+105|6902|Lutenblaag, Molvania

usmarine2007 wrote:

Yes, it is sad.  What is there to discuss?
How about how much Iraq is starting to look like Vietnam?
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6791|Columbus, Ohio

EVieira wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Yes, it is sad.  What is there to discuss?
How about how much Iraq is starting to look like Vietnam?
Well, that would not be in the thread subject matter is my point.  There is nothing to discuss about this nor is there a debate.  It is disgusting and sad.  My point is, this will lead to this thread going in a million directions.

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2006-12-19 07:38:59)

kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6973|Southeastern USA

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

So fun to think of all the savory little animals that will be coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan some day!  Thanks Bush for bringing foreign and domestic terrorists to our soil!   Thanks for making murderers out of so many good young men who trusted you to use them only when totally necessary.
Although there are a few bad apples in the bunch, your constant generalization and hatred of the soldiers that ensure your freedom is excessive and uncalled for. Had anyone else said this, I wouldn't care. All one has to do is look at your post history to see where you're coming from:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p1014825

No need to be so bitter just because you weren't even able to complete basic training without getting discharged.
don't you know that terrorism didn't exist until bush was elected fancy? the fact that one of these stories come out every six months out of the stories of literally hundreds of thousands of coalition troops is proof positive that only american and israeli troops are evil, you should ignore the fact that every time it happens they get hauled off to jail, we actually encourage this behavior and provide training that reinforces it. in fact, leavenworth is actually a luxury retirement resort, they just call it a "jail" so no one finds out they're being rewarded
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7216

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

soldiers that ensure your freedom
Because Saddam was about to become the first person in history to invade the US mainland, using his mighty pair of fishing boats and army of soldiers who wear running shoes so as better to flee?
You have no idea what "ensure your freedom" means, and that is very apparent from all your posts.
So whose freedom are the soldiers ensuring, in Iraq, right now?

I don't think that invading a country that poses no threat to any allied nation actually counts as "ensuring your freedom."
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6973|Southeastern USA

aardfrith wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


Because Saddam was about to become the first person in history to invade the US mainland, using his mighty pair of fishing boats and army of soldiers who wear running shoes so as better to flee?
You have no idea what "ensure your freedom" means, and that is very apparent from all your posts.
So whose freedom are the soldiers ensuring, in Iraq, right now?

I don't think that invading a country that poses no threat to any allied nation actually counts as "ensuring your freedom."
yes, surrender treaties shouldn't be enforced, makes perfect sense
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6791|Columbus, Ohio

aardfrith wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


Because Saddam was about to become the first person in history to invade the US mainland, using his mighty pair of fishing boats and army of soldiers who wear running shoes so as better to flee?
You have no idea what "ensure your freedom" means, and that is very apparent from all your posts.
So whose freedom are the soldiers ensuring, in Iraq, right now?

I don't think that invading a country that poses no threat to any allied nation actually counts as "ensuring your freedom."
As I have said before, it is an all volunteer military.  If people did not volunteer, they would be drafted.  Now, what do you consider freedom?  Smoking pot, going to college, working whatever job you want, going to sleep and waking up whenever you want?  That is freedom.  Without these soldiers, most young men would have that freedom taken away from them.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7045|London, England
I hope the soldiers just accidently fire a tank shell at these guys, who's with me here. They're making the job harder for the good guys, good guys who'll die becuase the Iraqis get more pissed off at all the soldiers becuase of a few bad guys. It's fucking near enough being a traitor. You might aswell give the insurgents Javelin missiles.
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7216

usmarine2007 wrote:

aardfrith wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:


You have no idea what "ensure your freedom" means, and that is very apparent from all your posts.
So whose freedom are the soldiers ensuring, in Iraq, right now?

I don't think that invading a country that poses no threat to any allied nation actually counts as "ensuring your freedom."
As I have said before, it is an all volunteer military.  If people did not volunteer, they would be drafted.  Now, what do you consider freedom?  Smoking pot, going to college, working whatever job you want, going to sleep and waking up whenever you want?  That is freedom.  Without these soldiers, most young men would have that freedom taken away from them.
I can entirely see that defending one's own country against any threat, foreign or domestic, would count as "ensuring your freedom".  I see it for the first Gulf War, I see it for Afghanistan.

I just don't see how invading Iraq counts.  I don't see how staying there counts.

As a soldier, you must understand that what you do is at the whim of politicians and they decide what counts as ensuring freedom.  I just wonder how it's been communicated to the troops on the ground that being in Iraq is ensuring anyone's freedom.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7052|IRELAND

Its commendable that people become solders to fight for their country and family ensuring that their loved ones and country remain free. There is no disputing that. The problem doesn't lay with the solders, they are generally just doing their jobs to feed their families, more with the politicians who lie to them.
When did Iraqi threaten the USA? Why are all these young Americans being killed every day? Why are they being put under the stresses of war and committing inhumane acts? Is it furthering American citizens, thousands of miles away freedom? Is it protecting their way of life?
All its protecting is a bunch of rich white men who have never seen a combat zones' political and financial interests.
That is not worth fighting for IMO.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6973|Southeastern USA
oh for fuck's sake, it was the goddamn surrender treaty that was the crux of the matter, how many decades of handing him angry letters should pass b4 you think it's time to enforce one? "let's write this one in all caps so he knows we're serious this time".  and yes hussein did make regular threats against the US and other western nations, whether or not he was able to follow through was impossible to judge with him kicking out inspectors and moving equipment scheduled to be inspected around all the time.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6791|Columbus, Ohio

JahManRed wrote:

Its commendable that people become solders to fight for their country and family ensuring that their loved ones and country remain free. There is no disputing that. The problem doesn't lay with the solders, they are generally just doing their jobs to feed their families, more with the politicians who lie to them.
When did Iraqi threaten the USA? Why are all these young Americans being killed every day? Why are they being put under the stresses of war and committing inhumane acts? Is it furthering American citizens, thousands of miles away freedom? Is it protecting their way of life?
All its protecting is a bunch of rich white men who have never seen a combat zones' political and financial interests.
That is not worth fighting for IMO.
Welcome to the world.  That is the way it works everywhere.  Say you work at Taco Bell, your efforts go to make somebody rich.  That person makes somebody else rich.  Those rich people give money to get people elected.  The rich white men would not be able to make these decisions unless the "common" man voted them in, and indirectly paid for them to get into office.
Jenkinsbball
Banned
+149|6972|USA bitches!
The dude is only saying this shit so he will only get 1 year in jail. I'm sure he'll be killed before he gets out for being a rat though. What a piece of shit he is.
spray_and_pray
Member
+52|6915|Perth. Western Australia

Jenkinsbball wrote:

The dude is only saying this shit so he will only get 1 year in jail. I'm sure he'll be killed before he gets out for being a rat though. What a piece of shit he is.
Yeah I mean how can you just tell on all your friends cause they murdered an innocent Iraqi and its now on your concience. What a retard I would never give my friends in even if they were doing highly illegal crap constituted as murder. Dude this isnt pre primary there is no dobbers kiss robbers, Murder goes quite high up on the concience list unlike stealing a pencil or throwing a ball at someones face. Come back with the correct attitude to the situation please as im sure you wouldnt find it nice if someone pulled you out of your house shot you then called you a terrorist and attempted to justify your killing then no one telling the officials what really happend so you will stay in history as a terrorist. Im sure if there is an afterlife you would be pissed if no one did anything. Realistically its wrong to kill innocents and if you are using the primary school kid mentallity in a thing which violates the section in murder under war crimes there is something wrong there, Be realistic if it were you what would you do knowing you killed an innocent. Just let it pass?

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