rocksrhot
Member
+8|6824
Having reviewed this forum of debate & serious talk, i am coming to a conclusion that it should have it's name changed to-"Find negatives in others & shit on there opinions".

I am astounded at the amount of abuse that gets hurled back and forth, Egos & super Egos battling it out, & all for what?

So punters think they sound good?

I even found myself caught up in the ranting, but really in hindsight it's pointless.

Amazing amount of disrespect toward other individuals, wander how some would behave during a third level education debate at a university?

Last edited by rocksrhot (2006-12-18 06:33:51)

usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6792|Columbus, Ohio
Your post is considered spam
']['error
Banned
+630|7069|The Netherlands
omfg lollerskates!
rocksrhot
Member
+8|6824

usmarine2007 wrote:

Your post is considered spam
WHY?
TeamZephyr
Maintaining My Rage Since 1975
+124|6954|Hillside, Melbourne, Australia
Even in Year 12 English we were tought that an effective but low method of being successful in the wonderful world of debating is "Attacks On Opponents".

This debating method is the primary tool used in the DST section of this forum.

You seem new here so I'll offer you this advice, if you can't stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen.
usmarine2007
Banned
+374|6792|Columbus, Ohio

rocksrhot wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Your post is considered spam
WHY?
This is not a university debate, it is a friggin video game forum.

Last edited by usmarine2007 (2006-12-18 06:37:18)

rocksrhot
Member
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usmarine2007 wrote:

rocksrhot wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Your post is considered spam
WHY?
This is not a university debate, it is a friggin video game forum.
Part 4 premier guide to debating

NEVER ATTACK SOMEONE PERSONALLY IN A DEBATE.  We're not politicians here - no one is running for the Presidency.  If you win or lose a debate it will only be in your own mind.  If you feel you've made a better point, then you've won - simple as that.  You have nothing riding on a debate in this section.  If you decide to attack someone personally in a debate (i.e. you're a fucking (insert race/gender/creed/whatever here)) then you are admitting to that person, and the entire board, that you could not come up with an intelligent response to what you've been challenged with.  You've taken the easy way out, and in doing so have lost the debate.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7196|PNW

rocksrhot wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Your post is considered spam
WHY?
Because your post has shitty grammar.
']['error
Banned
+630|7069|The Netherlands

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

rocksrhot wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Your post is considered spam
WHY?
Because your post has shitty grammar.
shut up about the grammar, you guys always whine about it. as long as you can understand what he says it's fine...

lol where is that pic of the "heil grammar" (dont know exact name)
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|7056|Finland

']['error wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

rocksrhot wrote:


WHY?
Because your post has shitty grammar.
shut up about the grammar, you guys always whine about it. as long as you can understand what he says it's fine...

lol where is that pic of the "heil grammar" (dont know exact name)
https://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5109/chappellepancakesrh6.jpg
I need around tree fiddy.
']['error
Banned
+630|7069|The Netherlands

DonFck wrote:

']['error wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Because your post has shitty grammar.
shut up about the grammar, you guys always whine about it. as long as you can understand what he says it's fine...

lol where is that pic of the "heil grammar" (dont know exact name)
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5109/c … kesrh6.jpg
no not that one lol
EVieira
Member
+105|6903|Lutenblaag, Molvania

rocksrhot wrote:

Having reviewed this forum of debate & serious talk, i am coming to a conclusion that it should have it's name changed to-"Find negatives in others & shit on there opinions".

I am astounded at the amount of abuse that gets hurled back and forth, Egos & super Egos battling it out, & all for what?

So punters think they sound good?

I even found myself caught up in the ranting, but really in hindsight it's pointless.

Amazing amount of disrespect toward other individuals, wander how some would behave during a third level education debate at a university?
Your opinion is shit, and you have bad grammar.

Last edited by EVieira (2006-12-18 07:05:25)

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command

rocksrhot wrote:

usmarine2007 wrote:

Your post is considered spam
WHY?
Because uber nOOBs often show up and make such commentary seeking attention.
You haven't spent enough time here to have an informed opinion.
Reeks of attention whoring.

Delete while you still can before it's locked for all eternity.
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6974|Southeastern USA
you misspelled "their" in the title
rocksrhot
Member
+8|6824
I take the spelling criticism on the chin squarely.

You say

"Because uber nOOBs often show up and make such commentary seeking attention.
You haven't spent enough time here to have an informed opinion.
Reeks of attention whoring"

I would not call it attention whoring, rather an observation.

You say i cannot yet have an informed opinion yet because I have not spent enough time here, well actually I disagree. From reading threads one gets to know sentiments, so please provide backup to prove I cannot yet have an informed opinion.

Think before you type, we are not all spotty faced teenagers here.

Last edited by rocksrhot (2006-12-18 07:30:03)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7196|PNW

']['error wrote:

DonFck wrote:

']['error wrote:

shut up about the grammar, you guys always whine about it. as long as you can understand what he says it's fine...

lol where is that pic of the "heil grammar" (dont know exact name)
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5109/c … kesrh6.jpg
no not that one lol
I think you mean this one:

https://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/unnamednewbie13/e064312f7aeca125.jpg

And no, I won't shut up about grammar because when people make better use of it, I am not required to buy as much Aspirin to get through a thread.

rocksrhot wrote:

I take the spelling criticism on the chin squarely.

You say

"Because uber nOOBs often show up and make such commentary seeking attention.
You haven't spent enough time here to have an informed opinion.
Reeks of attention whoring"

I would not call it attention whoring, rather an observation.
By that argument, I could call this entire thread an attention-whoring piece of work, thanks to your authoring.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-12-18 07:28:49)

CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6980
A lot of that shit does go on but every now and then a thread comes along that works properly and people actually debate things properly and rationally. It usually only involves a one on one, with observers chiming in from time to time though.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-12-18 07:30:57)

kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6974|Southeastern USA

rocksrhot wrote:

I take the spelling criticism on the chin squarely.

You say

"Because uber nOOBs often show up and make such commentary seeking attention.
You haven't spent enough time here to have an informed opinion.
Reeks of attention whoring"

I would not call it attention whoring, rather an observation.

You say i cannot yet have an informed opinion yet because I have not spent enough time here, well actually I disagree. From reading threads one gets to know sentiments, so please provide backup to prove I cannot yet have an informed opinion.

Think before you type, we are not all spotty faced teenagers here.
i was just kidding, more poking at the subject matter than the actual spelling
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6798|Kyiv, Ukraine
This is commonly known as the "ad hominem" attack, translated roughly it means "against the man".
Ad Hominem Fallacy
Translation: "Argument against the man", Latin 
Alias: The Fallacy of Personal Attack

Type: Genetic Fallacy

Exposition:
A debater commits the Ad Hominem Fallacy when he introduces irrelevant personal premisses about his opponent. Such red herrings may successfully distract the opponent or the audience from the topic of the debate.

Exposure:
Ad Hominem is the most familiar of informal fallacies, and—with the possible exception of Undistributed Middle—the most familiar logical fallacy of them all. It is also one of the most used and abused of fallacies, and both justified and unjustified accusations of Ad Hominem abound in any debate.

The phrase "ad hominem argument" is sometimes used to refer to a very different type of argument, namely, one that uses premisses accepted by the opposition to argue for a position. In other words, if you are trying to convince someone of something, using premisses that the person accepts—whether or not you believe them yourself. This is not necessarily a fallacious argument, and is often rhetorically effective.

Subfallacies:
Abusive: An Abusive Ad Hominem occurs when an attack on the character or other irrelevant personal qualities of the opposition—such as appearance—is offered as evidence against her position. Such attacks are often effective distractions ("red herrings"), because the opponent feels it necessary to defend herself, thus being distracted from the topic of the debate.

Circumstantial: A Circumstantial Ad Hominem is one in which some irrelevant personal circumstance surrounding the opponent is offered as evidence against the opponent's position. This fallacy is often introduced by phrases such as: "Of course, that's what you'd expect him to say." The fallacy claims that the only reason why he argues as he does is because of personal circumstances, such as standing to gain from the argument's acceptance.

This form of the fallacy needs to be distinguished from criticisms directed at testimony, which are not fallacious, since pointing out that someone stands to gain from testifying a certain way would tend to cast doubt upon that testimony. For instance, when a celebrity endorses a product, it is usually in return for money, which lowers the evidentiary value of such an endorsement—often to nothing! In contrast, the fact that an arguer may gain in some way from an argument's acceptance does not affect the evidentiary value of the argument, for arguments can and do stand or fall on their own merits.
As you see, it's right there in the manual and constitutes a fallacious arguement.  I saw this earlier with the criticism of Kofi Annan and his last speech.  The arguement was that "dittohead conservative pundit says Kofi is corrupt" therefore "he is an asshat" leading to "his speech was useless."  The problem is that fallacious reasoning in public debate has been the norm for 1000's of years, but really hit the mainstream media as commonplace with FoxNews.  In fact, Fox even invented some of its own methods of "fallacious logic" with the new "Cavuto remark", posing an opinion as a question during a factual newscast.

Everyone else can blame kids, egos, and hormones.  I blame Fox News.

Here's the catalogue of fallacious logic and debate.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/taxonomy.html

Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2006-12-18 07:44:11)

']['error
Banned
+630|7069|The Netherlands

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

']['error wrote:

no not that one lol
I think you mean this one:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/un … eca125.jpg

And no, I won't shut up about grammar because when people make better use of it, I am not required to buy as much Aspirin to get through a thread.

rocksrhot wrote:

I take the spelling criticism on the chin squarely.

You say

"Because uber nOOBs often show up and make such commentary seeking attention.
You haven't spent enough time here to have an informed opinion.
Reeks of attention whoring"

I would not call it attention whoring, rather an observation.
By that argument, I could call this entire thread an attention-whoring piece of work, thanks to your authoring.
yeah and there's anotherone with some troops holding flags in their hands wich say "achtung spelling" or something.

thnx for the pic
IRONCHEF
Member
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usmarine2007 wrote:

Your post is considered spam
No, your post is considered spam.  Even if this thread is not a debate/serious talk topic at all, but rather a criticism of people in this message board, it's not spam.  Maybe junk drawer worthy, but not spam. 

This reply I'm making would be spam too if I didn't talk/discuss the merit of this topic.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7167|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
Did someone say Spam?

The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6925|Los Angeles

rocksrhot wrote:

Having reviewed this forum of debate & serious talk, i am coming to a conclusion that it should have it's name changed to-"Find negatives in others & shit on there opinions".

Amazing amount of disrespect toward other individuals, wander how some would behave during a third level education debate at a university?
I also wander how someone who can't spell would ever find themselves near a university-level debate. Perhaps because they were just walking around and happened to wonder right in?

No one shat on your opinion, because you didn't have one - you ctrl-c ctrl-v'd a 2,000-word email with no commentary or analysis of your own other than prefacing it with "America owned by the British crown". Someone poked fun at you by posting the "wall of text" jpg, and apparently you can't deal. Please - toughen up. No one's interested in whining.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6905|Somewhere else

2 Cents.... I know a couple of people who are highly intelligent in many ways, but for some odd reason can't spell for shit. IT's wierd. They can verbally explain the meaning of life, but ask them to type it out, and it makes your eyes bleed trying to read it.

but for the topic, Its a forum where people can post what ever they like, its gonna turn in to a flame war, sadly.  yes, it would be nice to have a little bit of civility on here, but that's dull and rhetorical, so flaming can lead to alot of vicarious fun, and since the egos are here to stay, might as well grit in and go for the ride, it's fun that way anyway...

Last edited by RoosterCantrell (2006-12-18 10:52:04)

Stormscythe
Aiming for the head
+88|6974|EUtopia | Austria

ATG wrote:

Because uber nOOBs often show up and make such commentary seeking attention.
You haven't spent enough time here to have an informed opinion.
Reeks of attention whoring.
Well, I don't think he's ever got a positive feedback on one of his posts, and all he's experienced was what he described above.
And that some people's opinions are of a higher value than others can't be denied at all.

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