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http://www.opsi.gov.uk/SI/si1997/19971778.htm


Subject: THE ULTIMATE DELUSION
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:40:27 EDT
From: [email protected]

To the people,
   
        I found this paper while going through Stephen Ames' files.I am
hoping that you will put it out on your E-mail and fax networks. This paper
explains and documents very much. It is absolutely mind blowing !!!!!!

If you place this paper on your E-mail and fax networks I will be more
than happy to respond to people's questions. I have all of the documents
cited in this paper and they are available. This paper will shock even
those who think that they know what has happened and what is now taking
place. The deception is incredible. If the people do not respond to
this information we can then truly say that it is over and that we will
never be free. This paper is not opinion, but it is fact and is all
documented.

    Now, what people have to realize is there are remedies for the problems
that not just America faces, but the World. There are people all over the
World that know what is going on and they are doing something about it.
People all over America are emerging victorious over the images in their
minds. Let us not forget the absolute astonishing amount of debt
discharges that have taken place over the last few months. What is happening
in America is unbelievable. People are coming out of the delusions, they have
figured and realized that the United States is a fiction and that it only
exists in our minds. Tens of thousands of people now know that the "United
States" does not exist and that it never has. There is no such thing as the
National debt or a loan from the bank. Has any one ever seen "current credit
money ?"  The entire governmental system only exists in your mind.
                         
                                                                             
           Nicole Terry - [email protected]
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By: Stephen Kimbol Ames

Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as follows:

         S.I. 1997 NO.1778 The Social Security ( United States of America)
Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st September 1997. At
the Court at Buckingham Palace the 22nd day of July 1997. Now, therefore Her
Majesty an pursuance of section 179 (1) (a) and (2) of the Social Security
Administration Act of 1992 and all other powers enabling Her in that behalf,
is please, by and with advise of Her privy Council, to order, and it is
hereby ordered as follows:
   
"This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of America)
Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September 1997."

    Does this give a new meaning to Federal Judge William Wayne Justice
stating in court that he takes his orders from England? This order goes on to
redefine words in the Social Security Act and makes some changes in United
States Law.

    Remember, King George was the "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the
Holy Roman Empire and c, and of the United States of America." See: Treaty of
Peace (1738) 8 U.S. Statutes at Large. Great Britain which is the agent for
the Pope, is in charge of the USA 'plantation.'

            What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers
and King George were working hand-n-hand to bring the people of America to
there knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a
debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED
STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See
Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)
     
        Now, you also have to realize that King George was not just the King
of England, he was also the King of France. Treaty of Peace * U.S. 8 Statutes
at Large 80.

             On January 22, 1783 Congress ratified a contract for the
repayment of 21 loans that the UNITED STATES had already received dating from
February 28, 1778 to July 5, 1782. Now the UNITED STATES Inc. owes the King
money which is due January 1, 1788 from King George via France. Is this not
incredible the King funded both sides of the War. But there was more work
that needed to be done. Now the Articles of Confederation which was declared
in force March 1, 1781 States in Article 12 " All bills of credit emitted,
monies borrowed,and debts contracted by, or under the authority of Congress,
before the assembling of the United States, in pursuance of the present
confederation, shall be deemed and considered a charge against the United
States, for payment and satisfaction whereof the said United States, and the
public faith are hereby solemnly pledged."

        Now after losing the Revolutionary War, even though the War was
nothing more than a move to turn the people into debtors for the King, they
were not done yet.

        Now the loans were coming due and so a meeting was convened in
Annapolis, Maryland, to discuss the economic instability of the country under
the Articles of Confederation. Only five States come to the meeting,  but
there is a call for another meeting to take place in Philadelphia the
following year with the express purpose of revising the Articles of
Confederation

       On February 21, 1787 Congress gave approval of the meeting to take
place in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787, to revise the Articles of
confederation. Something had to be done about the mounting debt. Little did
the people know that the so called founding fathers were acutely going to
reorganize the United States because it was Bankrupt.

       On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates approve the Constitution.
The States have now become Constitutors.  Constitutor: In the civil law, one
who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's
debt. Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. The States were now liable for the debt
owed to the King, but the people of America were not because they were not a
party to the Constitution because it was never put to them for a vote On
August 4th, 1790 an Act was passed which was Titled.-An Act making provision
for the payment of the Debt of the United States. This can be found at 1 U.S.
Statutes at Large pages 138-178. This Act for all intents and purposes
abolished the States and Created the Districts. If you don't believe it look
it up. The Act set up Federal Districts, here in Pennsylvania we got two. In
this Act each District was assigned a portion of the debt. The next step was
for the states to reorganize their governments which most did in 1790. This
had to be done because the States needed to legally bind the people to the
debt. The original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for
a vote. So the governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to
people for a vote thereby binding the people to the debts owed to Great
Britain. The people became citizens of the State where they resided and ipso
facto a citizen of the United States. A citizen is a member of a fictional
entity and it is synonymous with subject.

        What you think is a state is in reality a corporation, in other
words, a Person.
                         
"Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person." 9 F. Supp 272
"Word "person" does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.   

      There are no states, just corporations. Every body politic on this
planet is a corporation. A corporation is an artificial entity, a fiction at
law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind, that speak
to you. We labor, pledge our property and give our children to a fiction.     
   
Now before we go any further let us examine a few things in the Constitution.

         Article six section one keeps the loans from the King valid it
states; All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the
Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States
under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

           Another interesting tidbit can be found at Article One Section
Eight clause Two which states that Congress has the power to borrow money on
the credit of the United States. This was needed so the United States (Which
went into Bankruptcy on January 1, 1788) could borrow money and then because
the States were a party to the Constitution they would also be liable for it.
         
         The next underhanded move was the creation of The United States Bank
in 1791. This was a private Bank of which there were 25,000 shares issued of
which 18,000 were held by those in England. The Bank loaned the United States
money in exchange for Securities of the United States

          Now the creditors of the United States which included the King
wanted paid the Interest on the loans that were given to the United States.
So Alexander Hamilton came up with the great idea of taxing alcohol.The
people resisted so George Washington sent out the militia to collect the tax
which they did. This has become known as the Whiskey rebellion. It is the
Militia's duty to collect taxes. How did the United States collect taxes off
of the people if the people are not a party to the Constitution? I'll tell
you how. The people are slaves!  The United States belongs to the floundering
fathers and their posterity and Great Britain. America is nothing more than a
Plantation. It always has been. How many times have you seen someone in court
attempt to use the Constitution and then the Judge tells him he can't. It is
because you are not a party to it. We are SLAVES!!!!!!!  If you don't believe
read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah.
14 Georgia 438, 520 which states " But, indeed, no private person has a right
to complain, by  suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the
Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is
not a party to it."
Fancy_Pollux
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Oh god. I really shouldn't even start on the stupidity.
Spark
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Mmmkay...
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Fancy_Pollux wrote:

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rocksrhot
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From the time this was posted, till the time you all decided you would respond, you could not have researched this. Shows me how deep some of you actually think.
UON
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"Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security as follows"

If you say so.  That law is to prevent dual taxation on social security.  But whatever.

edit: I've researched it.  Is that a record?

http://www.ssa.gov/international/agreem … rview.html

Last edited by UON (2006-12-17 18:24:40)

Spark
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doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/deathbym0nkeyz/walloftext.jpg

Last edited by Spark (2006-12-17 18:25:11)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Fancy_Pollux
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rocksrhot wrote:

Shows me how deep some of you actually think.

rocksrhot wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

rocksrhot wrote:

Who can bring themselves to leave thousand desolate in New Orleans as if they don't exist after that storm???????????? Nuke the bastards did u say. Take a look around @ the double standards, C.
Poor response to a natural disaster does not even compare to the blatant murdering of millions. You have to feel like a dumbass for even suggesting that they are comparable. The stuff you US-haters spew out is hilarious.
Actually it does, It is called policy decision.

Last edited by Fancy_Pollux (2006-12-17 18:27:14)

rocksrhot
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Go back to the 17 hundreds buddy & look at legislation.
UON
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rocksrhot wrote:

Go back to the 17 hundreds buddy & look at legislation.
Why?

edit:  I reeeeeeally hope this isn't a serious post.

Last edited by UON (2006-12-17 18:29:32)

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rocksrhot wrote:

From the time this was posted, till the time you all decided you would respond, you could not have researched this. Shows me how deep some of you actually think.
And how long did it take you to ctrl-c ctrl-v what you posted?

Here's a hint: if you make it inviting for people to read something, they'll read it. Consider posting a summary and linking to the source. Consider sparking a discussion with some original words of your own. Consider a sig that doesn't take up 1/2 the screen. That kind of thing.
Fancy_Pollux
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The_Shipbuilder wrote:

rocksrhot wrote:

From the time this was posted, till the time you all decided you would respond, you could not have researched this. Shows me how deep some of you actually think.
And how long did it take you to ctrl-c ctrl-v what you posted?

Here's a hint: if you make it inviting for people to read something, they'll read it. Consider posting a summary and linking to the source. Consider sparking a discussion with some original words of your own. Consider a sig that doesn't take up 1/2 the screen. That kind of thing.
UON
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This post is basically saying that a debt which America has run up pretty much entirely (edit:with)in (edit:this a) century is actually centuries old and is a figment of someones imagination anyway.  I might try that on my bank, next time I feel like being laughed out of the building.

Last edited by UON (2006-12-17 18:35:34)

rocksrhot
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So you guys don't take time to read & research. You want mommas milk cause it's easier than chewing solids. Weak ass response from those criticizing a post which holds historical value, & challenges ones view of what may actually be legislatively feasible in todays  geo-world climate.
rocksrhot
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The_Shipbuilder
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rocksrhot wrote:

So you guys don't take time to read & research. You want mommas milk cause it's easier than chewing solids. Weak ass response from those criticizing a post which holds historical value, & challenges ones view of what may actually be legislatively feasible in todays  geo-world climate.
So let's recap:

You ctrl-c ctrl-v an email so long that no one wants to go through it, then when people call you out on it, you can't take the criticism, so you get defensive and bitchy, and try to belittle everyone.

Why should we read anything you write in the future, again? Because your post "challenges one's view of what may actually be legislatively feasible in today's geo-world climate"?

A followup query: what is the difference between the "world" and the "geo-world"?

Is a geo-world even more worldy than just the common world?
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Silly me, I thought it was Bill Gates.
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rocksrhot
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A geo-world considers, world politics, economics, faith issues & the geography of these issues & how they interact. So I posted a guys email, It asks some good questions, & if you don't like to be challenged by the writer, then don't read it, & don't post $hit to make out that I am a out to belittle other for no cause. I knew how long that post was up before the slander started, & it was under 5 mins. To read that post & research a few legislative cases mentioned would take more than 5 mins.
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UON
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rocksrhot wrote:

A geo-world considers, world politics, economics, faith issues & the geography of these issues & how they interact. So I posted a guys email, It asks some good questions, & if you don't like to be challenged by the writer, then don't read it, & don't post $hit to make out that I am a out to belittle other for no cause. I knew how long that post was up before the slander started, & it was under 5 mins. To read that post & research a few legislative cases mentioned would take more than 5 mins.
How do you know they hadn't already seen the email?  And it didn't take long to undermine the main "proof" that Queen Elizabeth controls American SS by posting the US government site explaining the agreement, together with all the other countries involved.

UON wrote:

"Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security as follows"

If you say so.  That law is to prevent dual taxation on social security.  But whatever.

edit: I've researched it.  Is that a record?

http://www.ssa.gov/international/agreem … rview.html

Last edited by UON (Today 02:24:40)

Last edited by UON (2006-12-17 19:09:22)

Kmar
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Just in case anyone believes this, here are the rather prosaic facts.

Back in 1984, the US government and the UK government came to an agreement concerning social security contributions and benefits. Essentially the agreement was that UK citizens resident in the US could make and receive their social security contributions in the US and US citizens resident in the UK could make and receive theirs in the UK.

In 1996 these two governments agreed to amend the 1984 agreement. The amendment, which affects the process, not the principle, of the original agreement, came into force in English law by way of SI 1778 of 1997. As far as English law is concerned, this SI amends two English Acts of Parliamtent, the Social Security Administration Act 1992 and the Social Security Contributions and Benefits Act 1992; it also amends two earlier SIs made pursuant to these two Acts of Parliament: the the Social Security (Reciprocal Agreements) Order 1988 and the Social Security (Reciprocal Agreements) Order 1995.

SI 1778 of 1997 neither amends nor purports to amend any US legislation. Presumably the US honoured its side of the agreement be enacting its own social security legislation and equivalent of statutory instruments - and in so doing neither amended nor purported to amend any UK legislation.
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That email address is from early 2001, it is a bit long in the tooth now.

http://www.civil-liberties.com/

This link may give you some further food for thought though.
rocksrhot
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UON wrote:

rocksrhot wrote:

A geo-world considers, world politics, economics, faith issues & the geography of these issues & how they interact. So I posted a guys email, It asks some good questions, & if you don't like to be challenged by the writer, then don't read it, & don't post $hit to make out that I am a out to belittle other for no cause. I knew how long that post was up before the slander started, & it was under 5 mins. To read that post & research a few legislative cases mentioned would take more than 5 mins.
How do you know they hadn't already seen the email?  And it didn't take long to undermine the main "proof" that Queen Elizabeth controls American SS by posting the US government site explaining the agreement, together with all the other countries involved.

UON wrote:

"Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security as follows"

If you say so.  That law is to prevent dual taxation on social security.  But whatever.

edit: I've researched it.  Is that a record?

http://www.ssa.gov/international/agreem … rview.html

Last edited by UON (Today 02:24:40)
There is more than just social security mentioned in the full body of text, further issues of ownership.
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In the first article of the Treaty most of the kings claims to
America are relinquished, except for his claim to continue
receiving gold, silver and copper as gain for his business venture.
Article 3 gives Americans the right to fish the waters around the
United States and its rivers.  In article 4 the United States
agreed to pay all bona fide debts.  If you will read my other
papers on money you will understand that the financiers were
working with the king.  Why else would he protect their interest
with this Treaty? 

     I wonder if you have seen the main and obvious point?  This
Treaty was signed in 1783, the war was over in 1781.  If the United
States defeated England, how is the king granting rights to
America, when we were now his equal in status?  We supposedly
defeated him in the Revolutionary War!  So why would these supposed
patriot Americans sign such a Treaty, when they knew that this
would void any sovereignty gained by the Declaration of
Independence and the Revolutionary War?  If we had won the
Revolutionary War, the king granting us our land would not be
necessary, it would have been ours by his loss of the Revolutionary
War.  To not dictate the terms of a peace treaty in a position of
strength after winning a war; means the war was never won. Think of
other wars we have won, such as when we defeated Japan.  Did
McArther allow Japan to dictate to him the terms for surrender?  No
way!  All these men did is gain status and privilege granted by the
king and insure the subjection of future unaware generations.
Worst of all, they sold out those that gave their lives and
property for the chance to be free.

Another Treaty between England and the United States was Jay's
Treaty of 1794 (footnote 5).  If you will remember from the Paris
Treaty of 1783, John Jay Esqr. was one of the negotiators of the
Treaty.  In 1794 he negotiated another Treaty with Britain.  There
was great controversy among the American people about this Treaty.

     In Article 2 you will see the king is still on land that was
supposed to be ceded to the United States at the Paris Treaty.
This is 13 years after America supposedly won the Revolutionary
War.  I guess someone forgot to tell the king of England.  In
Article 6, the king is still dictating terms to the United States
concerning the collection of debt and damages, the British
government and World Bankers claimed we owe.  In Article 12 we find
the king dictating terms again, this time concerning where and with
who the United States could trade. In Article 18 the United States
agrees to a wide variety of material that would be subject to
confiscation if Britain found said material going to its enemies
ports.  Who won the Revolutionary War?

Last edited by rocksrhot (2006-12-17 19:37:58)

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