BF2S Forums Election 2008, don't forget angry white men

Angry white man pays the bills in this country. All the money everybody is fighting over, all the social project funding that everyone cries about, all the "appropriations" for everyone's little "let's feed the hungry, clothe the poor and make everyone a happy camper" projects are earned by the angry white man, then stolen by the government for the support of the less able.

AWMFTW.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

well, he does have experience dealing with legislature and putting laws in effect.  he is big on reform.  he is a charismatic motherfucker, cant deny that.  But, aside from all his political platform, I relate closely towards some of his upbringing.  No silver spoon in his mouth, son of a single mother.  Father was an immigrant.  Hes got passion, and I have a feeling regardless of what he does he has the best intentions for this country and has enough motivation to accomplish things.  He could work with republicans.  I agree more with his foreign policy than I do with our current commander in chief's.  I do believe you have to have some kind of relations with your enemies as well as your allies.  Were all adults in this global community, we need to stop covering up our eyes and ears refusing to hear each other. 


And, to top it all, the man is an admitted smoker.  Im an admitted smoker.


and the fact that he isnt 300 years old.

+ for talking with people
+ for passion
Don't care too much about his background, religion, or race

----for his political stances
Have you seen what he actually proposes? 
--voted against banning partial birth abortions.
--"Rejects free market vision of government. (Oct 2007)" I'll have to look into that a bit more.
--Supports government run Universal Healthcare
--wanted a ban on all semi-automatic firearms, and more penalties for possession, and wants a national ban on concealed carry, BUT he "supports the 2nd Amendment" and only wants "common sense" regulations

Obama is a VERY liberal, pro-government candidate.  If you believe in large government and socialized programs, you can vote for him.  I do not hold the same views.

Ah so it's about who he is, not his record?  God help us ...

Dersmikner wrote:

Angry white man pays the bills in this country. All the money everybody is fighting over, all the social project funding that everyone cries about, all the "appropriations" for everyone's little "let's feed the hungry, clothe the poor and make everyone a happy camper" projects are earned by the angry white man, then stolen by the government for the support of the less able.

AWMFTW.

Im not angry or white and I pay plenty of bills.  Probably the most important one would be risking my safety for American jingoism.

Tuequoise, could you expand on that more? Not sure where you are coming from. ty

ok, pretty valid point

Im not rich either; I still agree with the OP

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GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

+ for talking with people
+ for passion
Don't care too much about his background, religion, or race

----for his political stances
Have you seen what he actually proposes? 
--voted against banning partial birth abortions.
--"Rejects free market vision of government. (Oct 2007)" I'll have to look into that a bit more.
--Supports government run Universal Healthcare
--wanted a ban on all semi-automatic firearms, and more penalties for possession, and wants a national ban on concealed carry, BUT he "supports the 2nd Amendment" and only wants "common sense" regulations

Obama is a VERY liberal, pro-government candidate.  If you believe in large government and socialized programs, you can vote for him.  I do not hold the same views.

do you think that one man has the power the reverse so much?  I could agree with some of the things he has done in leglsitature.   More so than clinton.   


and about his background, if somebody like him becomes president, somebody like me can become president.  see what I mean?  so far we have 43 people whose names all sound pretty similiar.

Yes, I do think the President holds enormous power.  He can't do it alone.  With a half-way supportive congress, he could do a lot of these things...and the Democratic party will likely have a decent hold on congress for the next few years.

He is a leader proposing change.  He has charisma.  He has oratory skill.  He has many of the required elements of a successful candidate.  Frankly, I'd like to see some changes too.  However, some of Obama's "common sense" changes are dangerous.  There is ample evidence against certain of his stances. Some of his proposals will have the opposite effect from the intended purposes.  I want change, but I don't want Obama's change.

Frankly, I don't care if a leader is a minority or a woman.  I will vote for the person who I think will be the best leader.  I WILL NOT vote for Hillary, due to policy differences and her past actions.  I will not vote for Obama because of extreme policy differences.  I was going to vote for him, until I read his policy stances.

RAIMIUS wrote:

Frankly, I don't care if a leader is a minority or a woman.  I will vote for the person who I think will be the best leader.  I WILL NOT vote for Hillary, due to policy differences and her past actions.  I will not vote for Obama because of extreme policy differences.  I was going to vote for him, until I read his policy stances.

I wish more people did this, especially the last sentence.

mtb0minime wrote:

Seems like nowadays it's better to be part of the minority (minority in anything) rather than the typical white man.

_{I'm a minority in my state, and I'm caucasian.}

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{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

Seems like nowadays it's better to be part of the minority (minority in anything) rather than the typical white man.

_{I'm a minority in my state, and I'm caucasian.}

Ah, me too. I guess what I meant was: it's better to not be white / straight / male / middle- or upper-class.
Everyone else is getting special treatment, and all we want is a level playing field. Pretty lame tbh.

I remember one of my friends (who is Filipino) used to support all those diversity acts and propositions and stuff, then I told him one day: "I'm obviously smart enough to get into this university, so why should someone who's less qualified get in because of their skin color. Doesn't sound like a color-blind society to me." He didn't have a response, and I'm glad I was able to change at least one person's mind.

Moo? Si! wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

McCain is too wishy washy.  I dont like alot of clinton's domestic agenda or her personality, but I could see her as a decent commander in chief, she is a tough lady a man hater.

Fixed

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