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Forget who's religious and who isn't, and just enjoy life.

Yay.82%82% - 76
Nay.17%17% - 16
Total: 92
unnamednewbie13
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I was doing a bit of wishful thinking this morning, so I thought I'd pose this.

Got a friend who's Catholic? Who cares. Mormon? Muslims? Baptist? Lutheran? Jew? Know someone who practices a different faith than you? No faith at all? I couldn't care less. I've visited a few churches in my time, and I can safely say that all that matters to me is that someone's a decent individual. Normally, religions preach about 'caring and decency' and that's the end result that counts (until, of course, you come across a cult that tells you to give up your children or commit mass suicide). If someone can be a good person without religious influence, then I don't care. If there's no afterlife, then be content with having contributed something to society, even if only minor, before personal oblivion. If there is an afterlife, then who's to say what religion had it right anyway? Honestly, I could give a rats arse if people believe horridly-scrambled translations of ancient scribblings to be true, or if they think it's all just horseshit.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|6969|California

its not just religion, its lifestyle/culture

Last edited by stryyker (2006-09-11 07:08:27)

CameronPoe
Member
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I say 'live and let live' to those of all faiths (or lack thereof) - unless they are imposing on your personal freedoms or beliefs.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-09-11 07:10:53)

unnamednewbie13
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stryyker wrote:

its not just religion, its lifestyle/culture
Of course, and that will always spark strife...thus the "wishful thinking" disclaimer.

CameronPoe wrote:

I say 'live and let live' to those of all faiths (or lack thereof) - unless they are imposing on your personal freedoms or beliefs.
Exactly, depending on the level of imposition. If, for example, some missionaries continue to knock on your door every morning, day after day, despite your admitted lack of interest in their beliefs, then there could be problem. If they're going from village to village butchering anyone who believes in their God in a different way that they do (or not at all), then there's a slightly larger problem. On the other hand if an atheist continues to slam and belittle both someone's fluid and crystallized intellect because they do have a faith, then it is also a problem.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-09-11 07:16:42)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6850|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:

I say 'live and let live' to those of all faiths (or lack thereof) - unless they are imposing on your personal freedoms or beliefs.
QFT
Xbone Stormsurgezz
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina
If religion means war and power, let's live without it, who needs someone to tell you what to believe in?
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6991|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
Dickheadedness knows no religious boundaries
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7021|PNW

sergeriver wrote:

If religion means war and power, let's live without it, who needs someone to tell you what to believe in?
...
Well, I suppose if all religion was put aside, along with the ashes of the unrepentant devout, the world would finally be at peace. Guess again. There's a little something in human nature called greed.

IG-Calibre wrote:

Dickheadedness knows no religious boundaries

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-09-11 07:52:44)

jsnipy
...
+3,277|6771|...

"Religion" is ruined by the "Religious".
Tunacommy
Member
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religion is antiquated....it was developed originally to keep the lower class from revolting and overthrowing some King somewhere.  It has no place in today's society.

If anything - we were put here by aliens......or some cosmic mistake....

Who really believes the world was created 2000 years ago and populated by adam and eve?  c'mon.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6771|...

Tunacommy wrote:

religion is antiquated....it was developed originally to keep the lower class from revolting and overthrowing some King somewhere.  It has no place in today's society.

If anything - we were put here by aliens......or some cosmic mistake....

Who really believes the world was created 2000 years ago and populated by adam and eve?  c'mon.
Its not that religion is antiquated, its that the itnerpretation is antiquated ... why can;t what you said be true .. we were left here by "aliens" .... and all the religion we know is how that fact has been interpreted and passed down.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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Tunacommy wrote:

religion is antiquated....it was developed originally to keep the lower class from revolting and overthrowing some King somewhere.  It has no place in today's society.

If anything - we were put here by aliens......or some cosmic mistake....

Who really believes the world was created 2000 years ago and populated by adam and eve?  c'mon.
The story of Adam and Eve doesn't exactly cover the breadth of world religion.
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6869|Massachusetts, USA

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Tunacommy wrote:

religion is antiquated....it was developed originally to keep the lower class from revolting and overthrowing some King somewhere.  It has no place in today's society.

If anything - we were put here by aliens......or some cosmic mistake....

Who really believes the world was created 2000 years ago and populated by adam and eve?  c'mon.
The story of Adam and Eve doesn't exactly cover the breadth of world religion.
true - but but that was not the intent - just an example - and Christianity (i.e. adam and eve) does cover a good percentage.

just like all these wacko's that blow themselves up in the name of Ala are going to get 40 virgins in heaven....dumb asses....wake up.

maybe Jesus and Ala should arm wrestle and the winner gets to convert the loosers followers.
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|6876|UK
Forget who's religious and who isn't, and just enjoy life.
not in our world...

in utopia..? maybe...
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6869|Massachusetts, USA

jsnipy wrote:

Tunacommy wrote:

religion is antiquated....it was developed originally to keep the lower class from revolting and overthrowing some King somewhere.  It has no place in today's society.

If anything - we were put here by aliens......or some cosmic mistake....

Who really believes the world was created 2000 years ago and populated by adam and eve?  c'mon.
Its not that religion is antiquated, its that the itnerpretation is antiquated ... why can;t what you said be true .. we were left here by "aliens" .... and all the religion we know is how that fact has been interpreted and passed down.
IMO - the "facts" you refer to we[re] actually mostly made up as well.....water into wine, resurected after death, etc etc....not fact in my opinion.  Although I do agree - religion today might be a twisted interpretation of some other even that happened centuries ago that has nothing to do with what we call religion today.

Last edited by Tunacommy (2006-09-11 09:42:34)

Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6939|Tampa Bay Florida
I don't mean to be offensive here, but I believe the reason most atheists dislike religious people is because some of them are (or a minority of them) imposing their beliefs on the rest of the country.  I see nothing wrong with an atheist sticking up for themselves and disliking/dissing one particular aspect of religion.  But they have to remember that not all religious people are "nuts" and not to stereotype, etc, etc
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7006|Argentina
The true believer doesn't need a religion.
Tunacommy
Member
+56|6869|Massachusetts, USA

Spearhead wrote:

I don't mean to be offensive here, but I believe the reason most atheists dislike religious people is because some of them are (or a minority of them) imposing their beliefs on the rest of the country.  I see nothing wrong with an atheist sticking up for themselves and disliking/dissing one particular aspect of religion.  But they have to remember that not all religious people are "nuts" and not to stereotype, etc, etc
I know some pretty religious people - and I don't begrudge them their religion...in fact, if more people were following the TRUE teachings of their chosen religion, we would be much better off....I just find it difficult to accept some of the "facts" that religion is based on.  Personally, I don't really believe in religion as a whole - and I was brought up in a religious familiy.  I also think that Bush needs to cool the religious card - using words like "crusade" in speeches about the Middle East is not a wise thing to do.
jonsimon
Member
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I don't buy the lifestyle thing. Everyone I know lives the same lifestyle, the American lifestyle.

I don't debate religion with friends, nothing good comes of it. Live and let live, or die together.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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liquidat0r wrote:

Forget who's religious and who isn't, and just enjoy life.
not in our world...

in utopia..? maybe...
...

me wrote:

I was doing a bit of wishful thinking...
lol.

Spearhead wrote:

I don't mean to be offensive here, but I believe the reason most atheists dislike religious people is because some of them are (or a minority of them) imposing their beliefs on the rest of the country.  I see nothing wrong with an atheist sticking up for themselves and disliking/dissing one particular aspect of religion.  But they have to remember that not all religious people are "nuts" and not to stereotype, etc, etc
That view is often turned back on atheists by religious folks, some of whom are of the unfortunate opinion that all atheists actively run around trying to shut down their faith.

sergeriver wrote:

The true believer doesn't need a religion.
A religion is, above and beyond streaks of greed and acquisition aimed to secure itself and its leaders, nothing more than a way to pass on customs and traditions of particular types of faith to the next generation and other cultures (if it be a missionarying church) enable future believers. Unfortunately, inquisitive thought occasionally finds itself oppressed by religion (though science itself has been known to shun new ideas), and this is primarily where religion gets its bad name. You can be a true believer, but it isn't very specific. I believe in rocks, twigs and foreign galaxies.

But I know what you're saying. If you've faith enough to continue believing in something without the encouragement of an organization, then I'd say you're set. For better or worse, depending on your view.

Tunacommy wrote:

...using words like "crusade" in speeches about the Middle East is not a wise thing to do.
Not to be picky, but using words like "jihad" in Muslim speeches about the West is equally unwise.

By the way, a pirate could kill a penguin with a single flamboyant gesture.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-09-11 15:55:20)

Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7005|United States of America
Enjoy what you can, but be appropriate. I am a Christian.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
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Miller wrote:

Enjoy what you can, but be appropriate. I am a Christian.
Er, what do you mean by that first part?
{TL}SHARPSHOOTER
Vacuum Sealed for Freshness
+26|6994|The Island of Carls Jr.
Im ok with hanging out with different religions, just as long as theyre not shoving it down my throat about their religion or mine.
liquix
Member
+51|6703|Peoples Republic of Portland
Yay, though its pretty hard to take the constant attacks against me for being a liberal atheist from my fellow Americans.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|6939|Tampa Bay Florida

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Tunacommy wrote:

...using words like "crusade" in speeches about the Middle East is not a wise thing to do.
Not to be picky, but using words like "jihad" in Muslim speeches about the West is equally unwise.
What is this, 3rd grade?  No one said anything about Muslims.  It's a f*cking disgrace to the country that Bush is lowering himself and the country's image to the level of Muslim extremists.  Well, not that low, but it's getting lower all the time

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