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Adams_BJ
Turns out you were cucked
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If you had have told me when I signed up to this forum 15 years and 4 months ago I would be witness to an argument about what does and does not constitute scifi on a thread about the sopranos on a BF2 stats forum I would have laughed.
uziq
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don't forget that one of the interlocutors is a furry cuck who hasn't read more than 25 books in his entire ilfe.
uziq
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Also this "let me know when it overtakes Harry Potter" stuff. A successful story isn't necessarily a good story. We've been here before on these forums.

How many billion dollars did Avatar gross? All the effort put into fantastic world building. But the story is still boringly safe, with flat characters, and frankly uninteresting (also RIP musical potential; I would have loved to have heard some of the unique sounds that were planned before that was slashed in the name of western appeal). A punch in the gut to the rest of the creative team.

Anyway, regardless of how many pipes dilbert fabricated, Dune definitely falls on the science fiction side of sci-fi vs. fantasy if you want to distinguish between the two. See also, Foundation.

ESP, parapsychology, psychics, reality-bending physics, abound in science fiction stories and sci-fi history. They don't all have to read like a technical manual.
dilbert is literally such a philistine that he thinks people, who may or may not have several degrees in literature or literary criticism, cannot comment on anything until they've penned a bestselling children's book.

move over william empson ...
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+489|2767
New Vegas vs Sopranos

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,915|5819|USA

Adams_BJ wrote:

If you had have told me when I signed up to this forum 15 years and 4 months ago I would be witness to an argument about what does and does not constitute scifi on a thread about the sopranos on a BF2 stats forum I would have laughed.
I think the difference is that 15 years ago, a mod would have clucked their tongues, deleted the comment, and sent an AWM. Straight to the bin is probably where like 2/3 of the discussions like this went back in the day.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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By page 5 a mod would have came, closed the thread and posted

Ultracuckula wrote:

ThIs ThReAd HaS rUn iTs CoUrSe
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+1,915|5819|USA

Pretty normal for forums though. Also stuff like:

- If you post a new topic that was posted about several months ago, your thread is closed, and you're warned to use the search function.
- If you use the search function and revive an old topic, the thread is closed, and you're warned about necromancing old threads.

Saw this a lot especially on tech forums.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Pretty normal for forums though. Also stuff like:

- If you post a new topic that was posted about several months ago, your thread is closed, and you're warned to use the search function.
- If you use the search function and revive an old topic, the thread is closed, and you're warned about necromancing old threads.

Saw this a lot especially on tech forums.
I do appreciate Googling problems and finding threads from 2008 with someone necroposting the solution they found in 2019.
unnamednewbie13
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I've found solutions for like Windows Vista that still apply for Windows 10. I don't know whether to be happy that Microsoft can sometimes be consistent, or sad that they never fixed it.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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That reminds me of some of the stuff I have been hearing about the new Windows coming out. It's mostly the same under the hood with a lot of fancy new UI changes. And something about needing a new motherboard. Those lucky people with motherboards that can't support the new windows.
unnamednewbie13
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I still need to look into that. Mine probably won't work with it.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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IIRC the chip you need became commonplace around 2017/Ryzen. So I highly doubt your board supports it.
unnamednewbie13
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Definitely not. I built in like 2010 or 11, but think it was mfg'd in 2009.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
+489|2767
I am very impressed you got that much life out of a PC. The average American upgrades their phone every two years. Of course you can't just crack open your phone and put a new stick or RAM but still.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

https://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=2810564#p2810564
https://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?p … 0#p2809680
Guaranteed a bunch of people reported those threads.

Why are you trying to victimize me!?
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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uziq wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

How in the heck did this thread become "Dune isn't sci-fi," wt actual f.
dilbert is so severely autistic and hence so glommed by the thought of fictional writing about human beings, human relations, human families, or human power dynamics, that he will insist that THE MOST ACCLAIMED SCI-FI BOOK OF ALL TIME is 'not really sci-fi' and 'more a space adventure fantasy thing'.

then he will link to wikipedia articles on soft sci-fi, a category which contains basically half of all the greatest sci-fi tales ever written, and which are explicitly defined as 'sci-fi books with more of a concern on humanity, humanism, human motivations, psychology/sociology, politics, and the future of the human race, etc', and try to redefine them as 'not really sci-fi though' (according, that is, to his own idiosyncratic measure; too bad wells! too bad PKD! too bad heinlein! real sci-fi is only about engineering and spends pages detailing the physics of space travel).

SO, because the sopranos MUST be bad according to his ridiculous and priggish attitude, therefore we must invent arbitrary distinctions between george r.r. martin's fantasy or frank herbert's sci-fi, which clearly continues in the tradition of 'complex anti-heroes' and 'examinations of humanity'.

his ideal book is one where ideas tesselate together on a page like chess pieces. he knows what makes a good book: he has read 20-30 of them in 45 years. so he'll lecture endlessly: every tv critic to ever say the sopranos was, in fact good; every fantasy reader who enjoyed game of thrones; all sci-fi fans, sci-fi magazines, sci-fi awards, and sci-fi wikipedia editors who persist in publishing 'adventure space soap-opera fantasy stuff' that isn't really interested in the serious matter of opto-electronic sighting systems. lol.

full steam ahead on the dilbert monomania rail!

my point that, to even write fiction, one needs to expend a whole lot of effort on fictional stuff that isn't strictly concerned with ideas/concepts, has gone way over his head. to him, writing stuff about character or psychology or human relations is 'bad writing', somehow passé, the stuff of yesteryear and minor talents. my point is that good and convincing fiction writing requires oodles of effort to be spent on dramatic conceits like ... plot, pacing, events/scenarios, complications, resolutions; to describe aptly and convincingly; to write in an appropriate style; to recreate plausible characters with believable motivations which animate said plot. all of this is STRICTLY surplus to books about 'ideas and concepts': those are called philosophy or history books, and belong in the nonfiction section. a book which just personifies an idea into a one-note or puddle-deep character will, in fact, be a very bad example of fiction. (and surely the fact that some of the most highly acclaimed sci-fi and fantasy of all time, like dune, spend so much time and succeed at this 'surplus' drama stuff, whilst some of the most mocked and pilloried novels of all time, like ayn rand's shallow rants, use characters as mouthpieces for ideas, only confirms my basic point.)

WHOOOOOSH! DKB: dilbert knows best.
What I'm really enjoying here is being psychoanalysed by a literature nerd who misreads what I write, is unable to pick up on facetious comments and has not so much a a metric scintilla of knowledge, training, experience or qualification in psychoanalysis.

As an actual real-life STEM hero myself I am totally confident I am the best person here to issue diagnoses on anyone's personality issues.

I'm sure everyone has been waiting for it, the research has taken some time, I conclude that uziq suffers from narcissistic ego-fragility and its a fairly severe case, possibly the worst I've seen in my career as a psychoanalyst.

Further reading
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. … 0902815451
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog … nferiority
#FreeBritney
unnamednewbie13
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

I am very impressed you got that much life out of a PC. The average American upgrades their phone every two years. Of course you can't just crack open your phone and put a new stick or RAM but still.
Most of it is the original parts. I added two sticks of identical ram and upgraded video cards every two generations. It's about at the end of its update life. I got a nice boost to RTX2 from GTX9, but I don't think I'd get much from RTX3 or even RTX4. It would be "good enough" for years.

Who knows when Microsoft will decide to end support for Windows 10, though, if they haven't decided on that already. Would "brick" what remains of the security for a lot of people's older computers. More on this in the Win 10 thread.
uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

How in the heck did this thread become "Dune isn't sci-fi," wt actual f.
dilbert is so severely autistic and hence so glommed by the thought of fictional writing about human beings, human relations, human families, or human power dynamics, that he will insist that THE MOST ACCLAIMED SCI-FI BOOK OF ALL TIME is 'not really sci-fi' and 'more a space adventure fantasy thing'.

then he will link to wikipedia articles on soft sci-fi, a category which contains basically half of all the greatest sci-fi tales ever written, and which are explicitly defined as 'sci-fi books with more of a concern on humanity, humanism, human motivations, psychology/sociology, politics, and the future of the human race, etc', and try to redefine them as 'not really sci-fi though' (according, that is, to his own idiosyncratic measure; too bad wells! too bad PKD! too bad heinlein! real sci-fi is only about engineering and spends pages detailing the physics of space travel).

SO, because the sopranos MUST be bad according to his ridiculous and priggish attitude, therefore we must invent arbitrary distinctions between george r.r. martin's fantasy or frank herbert's sci-fi, which clearly continues in the tradition of 'complex anti-heroes' and 'examinations of humanity'.

his ideal book is one where ideas tesselate together on a page like chess pieces. he knows what makes a good book: he has read 20-30 of them in 45 years. so he'll lecture endlessly: every tv critic to ever say the sopranos was, in fact good; every fantasy reader who enjoyed game of thrones; all sci-fi fans, sci-fi magazines, sci-fi awards, and sci-fi wikipedia editors who persist in publishing 'adventure space soap-opera fantasy stuff' that isn't really interested in the serious matter of opto-electronic sighting systems. lol.

full steam ahead on the dilbert monomania rail!

my point that, to even write fiction, one needs to expend a whole lot of effort on fictional stuff that isn't strictly concerned with ideas/concepts, has gone way over his head. to him, writing stuff about character or psychology or human relations is 'bad writing', somehow passé, the stuff of yesteryear and minor talents. my point is that good and convincing fiction writing requires oodles of effort to be spent on dramatic conceits like ... plot, pacing, events/scenarios, complications, resolutions; to describe aptly and convincingly; to write in an appropriate style; to recreate plausible characters with believable motivations which animate said plot. all of this is STRICTLY surplus to books about 'ideas and concepts': those are called philosophy or history books, and belong in the nonfiction section. a book which just personifies an idea into a one-note or puddle-deep character will, in fact, be a very bad example of fiction. (and surely the fact that some of the most highly acclaimed sci-fi and fantasy of all time, like dune, spend so much time and succeed at this 'surplus' drama stuff, whilst some of the most mocked and pilloried novels of all time, like ayn rand's shallow rants, use characters as mouthpieces for ideas, only confirms my basic point.)

WHOOOOOSH! DKB: dilbert knows best.
What I'm really enjoying here is being psychoanalysed by a literature nerd who misreads what I write, is unable to pick up on facetious comments and has not so much a a metric scintilla of knowledge, training, experience or qualification in psychoanalysis.

As an actual real-life STEM hero myself I am totally confident I am the best person here to issue diagnoses on anyone's personality issues.

I'm sure everyone has been waiting for it, the research has taken some time, I conclude that uziq suffers from narcissistic ego-fragility and its a fairly severe case, possibly the worst I've seen in my career as a psychoanalyst.

Further reading
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10. … 0902815451
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog … nferiority
dune is sci-fi
sopranos is good
you are a cuck
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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2nd Sopranos trailer. Good idea they released this one last.
uziq
Member
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neither this or the new matrix movie looks good. we need to stop exhuming the corpses of past franchises. our culture is seriously stuck on repeat.
unnamednewbie13
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I'm vaguely aware that there's another Bill & Ted movie floating around. The pandemic has really made some of these releases a little surreal.

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