condolences to their families and salute to their sacrifices they all have made.
Wrong country (Somalia).Uzique wrote:
you managed to convince them all to stop chewing khat and blazing opiates and actually do something other than shoot one another?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
yesDilbert_X wrote:
Why?FEOS wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
Not really, they're mostly along for the ride.
Are the Afghan forces directing operations now?
Baba Booey
khat, maybe, opiates, no. all the british military and press have to say about the afghans is that they are great at being useless.FEOS wrote:
Wrong country (Somalia).Uzique wrote:
you managed to convince them all to stop chewing khat and blazing opiates and actually do something other than shoot one another?
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Some of them, yes. Depends entirely on the demographic, IIRC.Uzique wrote:
khat, maybe, opiates, no. all the british military and press have to say about the afghans is that they are great at being useless.FEOS wrote:
Wrong country (Somalia).Uzique wrote:
you managed to convince them all to stop chewing khat and blazing opiates and actually do something other than shoot one another?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
The last operation I was on was coordinated by ANA and conducted by ANA. All we did was provide security.
Baba Booey
I don't know much about the Afghan army, but I've heard they're not the brightest bunch. I saw a video of them smoking some drug during a fight then firing randomly at the enemy, not even as good suppression fire.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
you should go teach them shifty from your extensive fps knowledge.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Ted, go be a smartass in EE.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Took long enough.1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
The last operation I was on was coordinated by ANA and conducted by ANA. All we did was provide security.
Still, they'll sell out or lose to the Taliban within a year or so of Western forces leaving.
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Probably. Don't care.
I just wanted to shoot people.
I just wanted to shoot people.
Last edited by 1stSFOD-Delta (2011-08-09 01:26:04)
Baba Booey
nukes!
Actually speaking of nukes, I read an article on fox news considering using nukes against libya
Actually speaking of nukes, I read an article on fox news considering using nukes against libya
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
I wouldn't waste a nuke on this shithole country.
Baba Booey
Is the U.S. getting any benefit from this Libyan war? Why are we there and why has everybody forgotten about it?!
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
Alot of those "freedom fighters" in Libya are probably the same dudes that were killing us in Iraq.
Baba Booey
Cheap oil, hopefully, and a useful reminder to the leaders of other oil states that they can be removed whenever they become inconvenient.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Is the U.S. getting any benefit from this Libyan war? Why are we there and why has everybody forgotten about it?!
Not much question about that. Gadaffi was a key ally against AQ. GG.Alot of those "freedom fighters" in Libya are probably the same dudes that were killing us in Iraq.
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-08-09 02:10:49)
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Because of the moral imperative imposed on ourselves by our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are not there fighting terrorism anymore than we are building up their governments who are friendly to the US who will not give us a bad reputation in global diplomacy. By limiting Libya to an air support campaign (without losing any troops on the ground) we are awarding legitimacy to the uprisings in the "Arab spring" and showing the Islamic world that we are not fundamentalist religionists fighting a war against their way of life. Not to mention the international support for the no fly zone. On top of all of that, Libya in the Arab world is a relatively (and some would say advanced) well educated and stabilized country despite their despotic dictator which has torn their country apart.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Is the U.S. getting any benefit from this Libyan war? Why are we there and why has everybody forgotten about it?!
We are not "there", anymore than we were in Japan when we nuked them. We are providing support from the air while staying out of "regime change" on the ground. While it remains to be seen as to what Libya will look like in one or two years, the facts are, indisputably, the rebels are gaining a lot of ground on their own, and while we are throwing a lot of money at it, the situation looks a lot better than US troops on the ground doing their dirty work for them... and they are now within 40 miles of the Tripoli.
A crazy dictator who has a PROVEN record of of state-sponsored terrorism, and was the closest in the Arab world to developing a nuke? No way we should be there.
Criticize Obama all you want, when it comes to foreign policy, this is one thing that has been handled well...
p.s. its got nothing to do with oil you stupid fucks
Last edited by Spearhead (2011-08-09 02:39:39)
Except he was on our side, had given up his WMD programs years ago and was in fact fighting AQ.
Sound familiar?
Sound familiar?
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"We" aren't really there any longer Shifty. All "we" are doing is providing logistical support to the EU forces that are doing the majority of the strikes.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Is the U.S. getting any benefit from this Libyan war? Why are we there and why has everybody forgotten about it?!
The EU is there for stability in one of their prime oil markets.
Everyone's forgotten about it because none of the "good guys" are dying, so it's not worth making big, splashy news stories about any longer.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
But the US is the driving force behind NATO. And when the entirety of Europe (to which we are already internationally obligated), as well as the already well organized CIVILIAN resistance on the ground, is asking for our help, well, that doesn't change the context of the situation at all?FEOS wrote:
"We" aren't really there any longer Shifty. All "we" are doing is providing logistical support to the EU forces that are doing the majority of the strikes.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Is the U.S. getting any benefit from this Libyan war? Why are we there and why has everybody forgotten about it?!
The EU is there for stability in one of their prime oil markets.
Everyone's forgotten about it because none of the "good guys" are dying, so it's not worth making big, splashy news stories about any longer.
Its not a civilian resistance exactly...
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In general, yes, the US is the driving force behind NATO. And this operation wouldn't have started (and wouldn't have continued) without US involvement. However, the US has made it clear that we are only involved to support our European allies at this point--they have the lead. That is the context of the situation: it is a European issue to which we are providing assistance.Spearhead wrote:
But the US is the driving force behind NATO. And when the entirety of Europe (to which we are already internationally obligated), as well as the already well organized CIVILIAN resistance on the ground, is asking for our help, well, that doesn't change the context of the situation at all?FEOS wrote:
"We" aren't really there any longer Shifty. All "we" are doing is providing logistical support to the EU forces that are doing the majority of the strikes.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Is the U.S. getting any benefit from this Libyan war? Why are we there and why has everybody forgotten about it?!
The EU is there for stability in one of their prime oil markets.
Everyone's forgotten about it because none of the "good guys" are dying, so it's not worth making big, splashy news stories about any longer.
There is a Libya thread. I recommend any further discussion moves there.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Not unless you think the Iraq invasion was justified. It's pretty much the same thing.Spearhead wrote:
But the US is the driving force behind NATO. And when the entirety of Europe (to which we are already internationally obligated), as well as the already well organized CIVILIAN resistance on the ground, is asking for our help, well, that doesn't change the context of the situation at all?FEOS wrote:
"We" aren't really there any longer Shifty. All "we" are doing is providing logistical support to the EU forces that are doing the majority of the strikes.-Sh1fty- wrote:
Is the U.S. getting any benefit from this Libyan war? Why are we there and why has everybody forgotten about it?!
The EU is there for stability in one of their prime oil markets.
Everyone's forgotten about it because none of the "good guys" are dying, so it's not worth making big, splashy news stories about any longer.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
For ANA?!1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
. All we did was provide security.
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...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
haha touché! that's hilariousBeduin wrote:
For ANA?!1stSFOD-Delta wrote:
. All we did was provide security.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.