Jay
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Because these guys:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/The_Pentagon_US_Department_of_Defense_building.jpg/300px-The_Pentagon_US_Department_of_Defense_building.jpg

Went here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ab/USArmyWarCollege.gif

And studied this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/Gettysburg_Battle_Map_Day3.png/350px-Gettysburg_Battle_Map_Day3.png

and this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/P23%28map%29.jpg/300px-P23%28map%29.jpg

Instead of this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Montcal_trying_to_stop_the_massacre.jpg/792px-Montcal_trying_to_stop_the_massacre.jpg

And these guys want a combat command:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/US-O6_insignia.svg/70px-US-O6_insignia.svg.png

So they can earn this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/US-O7_insignia.svg/35px-US-O7_insignia.svg.png

So we send:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Abrams-transparent.png/300px-Abrams-transparent.png
and
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/1BFV01.jpg/300px-1BFV01.jpg

To fight:
https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/3/21/1237674615597/A-former-Taliban-soldier--001.jpg

Here:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t1zHnkXd8P0/R1NwV4f8nLI/AAAAAAAAAgQ/k40rKOrMeX8/s1600-R/DSCN0947.JPG

Sending in conventional forces to fight a guerrilla war was the same mistake the US military made in Vietnam. Officers know the quickest way to advance ranks in the military is to get a combat command they can put on their resume so no matter how little sense it made, it was inevitable that we would be sending in ground forces instead of what we should've done. This was to allow the Afghanis to fight as our proxies while we sent SF teams up into the mountains to hunt down Al-Quaeda. When we inevitably pull out of Afghanistan in defeat, all blame should rest at the feet of the Pentagon.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-08-15 21:29:23)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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AussieReaper
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Sending in conventional forces to fight a guerrilla war was the same mistake the US military made in Vietnam.
They should have studied the Russian invasion of Afghanistan too imo.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Phrozenbot
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I had to laugh out loud. This is great. Arggh 24 hour waiting periods!

Mountainous people have a history of being difficult to defeat.

So how should we go about this? Leave immediately, or phase out?
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5601|London, England

Phrozenbot wrote:

I had to laugh out loud. This is great. Arggh 24 hour waiting periods!

Mountainous people have a history of being difficult to defeat.

So how should we go about this? Leave immediately, or phase out?
Train up the Afghani army that we've allowed to grow fat, lazy and corrupt and gradually turn the country over to them. They should be a lean mean fighting machine in charge of their country by now, and would be if we hadn't come in and taken over with our own ground troops.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Phrozenbot
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I think someone may have posted this here before



Looks like they could use a generous amount of IT!
unnamednewbie13
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Phrozenbot wrote:

I think someone may have posted this here before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWWWotuUwd0

Looks like they could use a generous amount of IT!
Just like running an American business.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Nice OP.

As I said in another thread, a handful of CIA with a few million dollars managed to defeat the Russian military in Afghanistan, the Pentagon has spent trillions and barely made one step forward against the Taliban - tribesmen with small-arms.
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ghettoperson
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Phrozenbot wrote:

I think someone may have posted this here before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWWWotuUwd0

Looks like they could use a generous amount of IT!
That's just fucking depressing. Makes you wonder why we bother.
Reciprocity
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+721|6824|the dank(super) side of Oregon
Afghans don't give a shit about national identity.  If that's the approach, it's a waste of time.  We'd be better off just paying the enemy to not fight, like we did/do in Iraq.
Shahter
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+295|7019|Moscow, Russia
usa can easily win this war the way they won the war with imperial japan, there's no ussr to watch out for anymore. nuke the fuckers already.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Reciprocity wrote:

Afghans don't give a shit about national identity.  If that's the approach, it's a waste of time.  We'd be better off just paying the enemy to not fight, like we did/do in Iraq.
So try a different approach, don't assume everyone in the world is a wannabe american.
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Beduin
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Reciprocity wrote:

We'd be better off just paying the enemy to not fight, like we did/do in Iraq.
1. We don't have that kind of money.
2. Afghans are not like Iraqies. Afghans will take the money and buy more sophisticated weapons to fight us.
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Shahter wrote:

usa can easily win this war
lel
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AussieReaper
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You're already paying the warlords bucketloads.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Beduin
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AussieReaper wrote:

You're already paying the warlords bucketloads.
He talking about the taliban.
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AussieReaper
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Beduin wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

You're already paying the warlords bucketloads.
He talking about the taliban.
Yeah but the warlords are the enablers. They are the elders who advise the younger generations to support or oppose either the US or Taliban. I agree that paying the Taliban wouldn't work.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Beduin
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AussieReaper wrote:

Yeah but the warlords are the enablers. They are the elders who advise the younger generations to support or oppose either the US or Taliban. I agree that paying the Taliban wouldn't work.
I see yes, you are correct. But even paying the warlords have not gained us that much.
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Reciprocity
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

Afghans don't give a shit about national identity.  If that's the approach, it's a waste of time.  We'd be better off just paying the enemy to not fight, like we did/do in Iraq.
So try a different approach, don't assume everyone in the world is a wannabe american.
that's the point, there is no other approach.  I'm not assuming that the world is full of wannabe americans, but our current goal is to "stabilize" afghanistan.  There will never be a stable afghanistan, by our definition, because the afghanis don't give a shit about a stable afghanistan.

We'd be better off changing the goal and then the approach.
jord
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+2,382|6921|The North, beyond the wall.
And the last horse crosses the finishline

Joking john. The books "sabre squadron" and "green berets" paint a similar picture.

Time to pull out and let the pmcs expand and take over the slack from the ana.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,815|6349|eXtreme to the maX

Reciprocity wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

Afghans don't give a shit about national identity.  If that's the approach, it's a waste of time.  We'd be better off just paying the enemy to not fight, like we did/do in Iraq.
So try a different approach, don't assume everyone in the world is a wannabe american.
that's the point, there is no other approach.  I'm not assuming that the world is full of wannabe americans, but our current goal is to "stabilize" afghanistan.  There will never be a stable afghanistan, by our definition, because the afghanis don't give a shit about a stable afghanistan.

We'd be better off changing the goal and then the approach.
Depends what you mean by 'stable afghanistan'
Multiple stable regions could work, afghanistan as a whole is too large and varied to be united.
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6864|London, England
Has anyone here actually been to Afghanistan? Most of yous guys seem to be 'Raqi vets
AussieReaper
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No but we've watched a lot of movies.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
FatherTed
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+3,936|6743|so randum
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O Canada
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Shahter wrote:

usa can easily win this war the way they won the war with imperial japan, there's no ussr to watch out for anymore. nuke the fuckers already.
Pretty much...  Either kill 'em all or get the hell out.  That's the only way to resolve this.

Because we can't stomach wiping them off of the face of the earth, we'll never win there.  So, the next best option is to just leave and let the bastards kill each other.
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Phrozenbot wrote:

I think someone may have posted this here before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWWWotuUwd0

Looks like they could use a generous amount of IT!
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